I saw this on Randy’s blog. I admit it took me several viewings. I got angry half way through and needed to step back, regroup and recenter my self. I even told Randy I wouldn’t watch it….but I ended up doing so. Fact is a lot of information came out, you can see the science and good will by Dan Savage in this. He is trying to be a good host. You can also see the bigotry and unscientific approach the other side takes. About half way through I had to stop or I would explode, and then as I watched the rest the whole other side of the marriage equality began to resolved into bigotry that simply couldn’t be supported nor would the other guy admit it…he had nothing to argue back so he he stuck to old time worn outdated attacks. I give my I am sorry’s to Randy, as when I watched this I got so upset I said I couldn’t so it. Turns out I could if I took a deep breath and made myself be calm and tried to hear what what was being said instead of thinking the worst. But that is the kind of guy Randy is…full of smarts and strengths, and some one who should be listened too. Hugs
August 31, 2012
Milo just complained to me as he was kissing my hand that I had been practicing magic with out a license. I did not know I needed one?
Hello Everyone. Everyone knows I have issues that I feel strongly about, that are important to me. Sadly while I have the passion for these causes, I lack the training, and the ability to clearly and concisely write out my points of interest. To say what I am trying to convey is not easy for me to do. I have a real hard time remembering specific facts, times and dates, and relevant detailed data for the topics I am writing on. Not to say I don’t know what I am talking about or that I am not thinking about what I want to say, just that it is hard for me to write from the brain aspect, instead I write from the heart. I am very lucky in that I have wonderful friends who have great minds, abilities and passion on some of the same subjects as I do. These friends have the abilities I lack and I am often in awe of the clear way they make their points. Randy is one of these people. He could easily be a well known author, or a top journalist. He wrote the post I link to below and I would love everyone to jump over to his site, read his post and then if you would , leave a comment for him. For my self I wish to say I agree completely with what he wrote and I am thankful he did so. It is not easy sticking up for those who have no ability to so so for themselves, and Randy is a grand champion. Hugs
RNC 2012 – The Road to Jeb Bush 2016 – Paul Ryan’s Speech – The Daily Show with Jon Stewart – 08/30/12 – Video Clip | Comedy Central
RNC 2012 – The Road to Jeb Bush 2016 – Paul Ryan’s Convenient Truths – The Daily Show with Jon Stewart – 08/30/12 – Video Clip | Comedy Central
Please read the post before this one and the note I wrote then read this one….thanks. Hugs
NBC’s Anne Thompson reports on a new controversy from Pope Benedict’s personal preacher who compares the recent child sex abuse scandal in the Catholic church, to the collective violence and anti-Semitism of the Jewish people.
By NBC News wire services
NEW YORK — A New York priest says he “deeply regrets” if he hurt anyone by his comments that priests accused of child sex abuse are often seduced by their accusers and that a first-time offender should not go to jail.
The Rev. Benedict Groeschel of the Franciscan Friars of the Renewal apologized Thursday for the comments he made in an interview with the National Catholic Register, published this week. The conservative, independent Register removed the story from its website and posted an apology for publishing the comments. Groeschel and the friars did as well.
“I did not intend to blame the victim. A priest (or anyone else) who abuses a minor is always wrong and is always responsible,” Groeschel said in his post on the website. “My mind and my way of expressing myself are not as clear as they used to be. I have spent my life trying to help others the best that I could. I deeply regret any harm I have caused to anyone.”
The friars expressed regret for the remarks and highlighted Groeschel’s medical history. They said he had been in a car accident several years ago, and that “in recent months his health, memory and cognitive ability have been failing.” They described the comments as “out of character.”
In expanding on his answer, Groeschel also referenced Jerry Sandusky, the former Penn State coach convicted of sexually abusing boys, referring to Sandusky as “this poor guy” and wondering why no one said anything for years.Asked in the Register interview about working with priests involved in abuse, Groeschel had said, “Suppose you have a man having a nervous breakdown, and a youngster comes after him. A lot of the cases, the youngster — 14, 16, 18 — is the seducer.”
He also added later that anyone involved “on their first offense, they should not go to jail because their intention was not committing a crime.”
‘Rubbing salt into the wounds’
Editor in Chief Jeanette De Melo posted a note apologizing for “publishing without clarification or challenge Father Benedict Groeschel’s comments that seem to suggest that the child is somehow responsible for abuse. Nothing could be further from the truth. Our publication of that comment was an editorial mistake, for which we sincerely apologize.”
Monsignor William Lynn, the most senior U.S. Catholic clergyman convicted in the church’s sex abuse scandal, became the first U.S. church official convicted of a felony. NBC’s Brian Williams reports.
The Archdiocese of New York also repudiated the comments in a statement posted on its website, calling them “simply wrong.”
“Although he is not a priest of the Archdiocese of New York, what Father Groeschel said cannot be allowed to stand unchallenged. The sexual abuse of a minor is a crime, and whoever commits that crime deserves to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law,” spokesman Joseph Zwilling said.
David Clohessy, director of the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, or SNAP, said there needs to be consequences for figures like Groeschel, “who say incredibly hurtful and mean-spirited things.”
“He’s rubbing salt into the wounds of already-suffering victims,” Clohessy said.
Comments like Groeschel’s “discourage victims, witnesses and whistleblowers from reporting horrific crimes both known and suspected,” he said.
Colleagues of Groeschel suggested on Thursday that he was recovering from a fall and was mentally frail.
The Rev. Glenn Sudano, a spokesman for the Franciscan Friars, likened him to an elderly relative.
“He said something like grandpa would say and it’s like ‘Grandpa, why would you say that?’” Sudano told Reuters in a telephone interview.
“Obviously we don’t agree with what he said. Obviously it’s terribly disappointing that people are hurt or upset,” Sudano said. “We feel very bad about it.”
Sudano said he did not know if Groeschel would face any consequences for his remarks.
The Penn State child abuse scandal is dredging up memories of the massive sex abuse scandal that rocked the Catholic Church, including the diocese where the university is located. NBC News’ Michael Isikoff reports.
The Catholic Church has been rocked in recent decades by accusations that it tried to cover up the sexual abuse of children by priests and has paid out billions in settlements to abuse victims, bankrupting several U.S. dioceses.
Similar scandals have shaken the lucrative world of college sports, most notably the conviction of Sandusky, a former Penn State assistant football coach, for sexually abusing 10 boys over 15 years, most of them in the campus football showers.
Ok I think this guy had an idea in his head, and the words did not come out right. I think two points he is trying to make is A) young adults, minors who are not yet 18 but have gone through puberty, have sexual needs and desires. They have they human bodies and human needs. They have strong desires to experiment and learn, grow, and be part of the human experiences. I think the second point he wanted to make B) People who make a mistake and have a consensual non forced sexual episode with a person who is under 18 yet gone through puberty needs to be judged on the facts of the individual cases. Not that they should not have done what they did, nor that they are blameless, they were the adults, but each case must be judged on its own merits. A 16 year old boy asking a man to meet him for a date and sex is NOT the same as a man forcing a 6 year old to submit to him or even an adult forcing a teen to pleasure them. There is a difference between these acts. I think the priest was trying to make these points and did not word him self correctly. I my self have said the USA is getting to be hysterical about anything dealing with sex and we have become so repressive in our view of the human body that any nudity is thought to be both sexual and abusive, and people are frightened of their own bodies.
Lets be clear, I am not advocating blaming the victim for any sexual assault. I am saying we need to leave hysteria behind and use our brains. All people are not the same, and should not be treated the same. Hugs.
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Published: August 30, 2012
A prominent Roman Catholic spiritual leader who has spent decades counseling wayward priests for the archdiocese provoked shock and outrage on Thursday as word spread of a recent interview he did with a Catholic newspaper during which he said that “youngsters” were often to blame when priests sexually abused them and that priests should not be jailed for such abuse on their first offense.
George M. Gutierrez for The New York Times
The Rev. Benedict Groeschel, who made the remarks, is a beloved figure among many Catholics and a founder of Franciscan Friars of the Renewal, a conservative priestly order based in New York. He hosts a weekly show on the Eternal Word Television Network and has written 45 books.
The comments were published on Monday by The National Catholic Register, which is owned by EWTN, a religious broadcaster based in Alabama.
“Suppose you have a man having a nervous breakdown, and a youngster comes after him,” Father Groeschel, now 79, said in the interview. “A lot of the cases, the youngster — 14, 16, 18 — is the seducer.”
He added that he was “inclined to think” that priests who were first-time abusers should not be jailed because “their intention was not committing a crime.”
On Thursday, the comments were taken off the publication’s Web site after the controversy erupted, and the editors, Father Groeschel and his religious order apologized.
“I did not intend to blame the victim,” Father Groeschel wrote in a statement published on The Catholic Register’s site. “A priest (or anyone else) who abuses a minor is always wrong and is always responsible. My mind and my way of expressing myself are not as clear as they used to be.”
Joseph Zwilling, a spokesman for the Archdiocese of New York, denounced the comments as “terribly wrong.” But he said the church was unlikely to discipline Father Groeschel, in part because as a member of a religious order, he was not officially a priest of the diocese.
For the past 38 years, Father Groeschel has counseled priests at the Trinity Retreat House in the New York suburb of Larchmont; he founded the retreat at the direction of the archbishop at the time, Cardinal Terence J. Cooke. The retreat is a place of treatment and reflection, and the archdiocese has sent priests credibly accused of sexual abuse to live there, but not since 2006, Mr. Zwilling said.
More recently, priests struggling with problems like alcoholism have been sent there for counseling. Father Groeschel, who has a doctorate in psychology from Teachers College at Columbia University, has also taught pastoral counseling for more than 40 years at the archdiocesan seminary, St. Joseph’s Seminary in Yonkers.
But though he told The Catholic Register that he continued to teach at the seminary, the archdiocese said that the previous academic year had been his last because of what it described as advancing senility and other health problems. The Rev. Glenn Sudano, another founder of the Friars of the Renewal, whose adherents take vows of poverty and work extensively with the poor, said the remarks might have been the result of Father Groeschel’s advancing age and failing health, as well as the aftereffect of a near-fatal 2004 car accident in Orlando, Fla.
“Poor Father Benedict,” he said. “It is painful for us, seeing someone who was so much an advocate and a defender for the underdog, say that.”
In the interview, Father Groeschel said that he continued to counsel priests and that he worked some 12 hours a day.
Asked if he counseled priests who were abusers, he said yes, and then offered a sympathetic portrait. “People have this picture in their minds of a person planning to — a psychopath, but that’s not the case,” he said. Asked why a child might act as a seducer, he said: “A kid looking for a father and didn’t have his own — and they won’t be planning to get into heavy-duty sex, but almost romantic, embracing, kissing, perhaps sleeping but not having intercourse or anything like that.”
He also expressed sympathy for Jerry Sandusky, the retired Penn State football coach who was recently convicted of serial child molesting, calling him “this poor guy.”
Many New York priests and others — including advocates for victims of child sexual abuse — reacted with anger at the remarks. “Blaming the abused for their abuse is indefensible,” said the Rev. James Martin, a Jesuit commentator for America Magazine.
OK after all these years, deaths, money, we simply have not changed the thug culture present in some of these areas. Our approach was wrong. I think education, security in knowing the thugs wont just come back, pride in moving forward instead simply trying to live. To them there is no difference in ‘living” and just “existing”.
Two Afghan children beheaded in separate incidents
(Reuters) – An adolescent boy and a young girl have been beheaded in two separate incidents inAfghanistan, local officials and police said on Friday, in the latest brazen attacks that have raised fresh questions about a splintering Taliban.
A 12-year-old boy was kidnapped and killed in southern Kandahar province on Wednesday, his severed head placed near his body to send a warning to police, said provincial governor spokesman Jawid Faisal.
The brother of the boy, neither of whom were named by officials, was a member of the Afghan Local Police (ALP), a U.S.-trained militia charged with making Afghans in Taliban strongholds, like Kandahar, feel more secure, Faisal said.
“It’s a Taliban warning to the ALP and to others who support the government,” Faisal said of the killing, which happened in Kandahar’s Panjwai district.
Taliban spokesman Qari Yousuf denied the group was involved.
Separately, a 6-year-old girl was beheaded in eastern Kapisa province on Thursday, said provincial police chief Abdul Hamed.
“We are not sure if she was beheaded by her family or the Taliban, but we know the Taliban control the area,” Hamed said of the killing in Jalukhil village. He added that he could not send investigators to the area out of fears for their safety.
The murders follow the shooting or beheading of 17 young revelers attending a party in southern Helmand province this week, which officials said was the work of the Taliban, a charge the group also denied.
That massacre raised fresh concerns about Taliban leaders’ grip on their scattered fighters, amid on-again, off-again peace moves by the group with the Afghan government.
It also suggested that there are grassroots insurgent fighters who are not in a mood for compromise.
“What we’re seeing could be a new tactic by the Taliban to behead civilians to intimidate the population,” said Faisal.
In Kandahar’s Zhari district, officials also said on Friday that a 16-year-old boy accused by the Taliban of spying for the government was beheaded and skinned in late July.
Such incidents highlight the difficulty that Taliban leaders have in enforcing discipline across an estimated 20,000 fighters spread from Afghanistan to Pakistan.
The central Taliban leadership is trying to improve the group’s image in case it wants to push forward tentative reconciliation steps and perhaps even enter mainstream politics. But some militant units are hard to control, roaming the countryside and attacking those deemed immoral.
NATO will withdraw most of its combat troops by the end of 2014, leaving Afghan forces in the lead security role.