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October 25, 2017

How Southern socialites rewrote Civil War history – YouTube

Filed under: Bigotry, History, News, Political, Questions, Race — Scottie @ 17:48

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  1. Excellent share Scottie! Thank you so much. I have to add this poignant video to my series “Games of Unknowledging – Conclusion” where I go into the manufactured White Ignorance in which the UDC here successfully utilized, specifically the Southern curriculums, to rewrite history as “knowledge”, but clearly a distorted version.

    Huge many thanks Scottie for this! ❀

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    Comment by Professor Taboo — October 26, 2017 @ 08:47

    • Hello Professor. Thank you for your kind comments. I am stunned that in the country I thought was the most open and honest, we are as dishonest about history as any dictatorship. I wish they would just teach the real history. All of it. The idea the that history can be changed to suit the proper attitude is wrong in so many ways I can’t even express it. I simply don’t have the words to say how much it distresses me. How do we know what we were taught in school is anywhere near the truth. I have lived my life, acted in certain ways just because of what I thought was true history. Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — October 26, 2017 @ 11:54

      • Don’t worry yourself too much Scottie. It happens to EVERYONE who wasn’t actually at the site at the time to witness it all firsthand. And how many people would that be? πŸ˜‰

        Hugs ❀

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        Comment by Professor Taboo — October 26, 2017 @ 14:39

        • Hello Professor. Did you have a chance to read the comment by Jknbt? What did you think of my response? As a teacher and well reasoned person, how did I do at responding? What areas do you think I could do better and how? Thanks again. Hugs

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          Comment by Scottie — October 26, 2017 @ 14:42

          • I will email you about it shortly or later this evening if that’s okay? But from what I quickly read from Jknbt-Jknbt his very first bullet-point (asterisk) it has nothing to do with the Vox video. LOL πŸ˜„

            And therefore, it may not be much of stretch for us to postulate that Jknbt-Jknbt (to the 2nd power?) is one of those 5th or 6th generation pro-Confederacy sympathizers educated thru those vindictive Antebellum aristocrats & school books by Mildred Rutherford & E. Merton Coulter. Perhaps too Jknbt-Jpktnt-Jtklmnop-JbKnT(?), oh hell whatever it is… is a member of Sons of the Confederacy or depending on what Southern state is his homeland, Sons of that State — like we have here in Texas, “Sons of the Republic.

            However, that said, if Jk&%# was actually THERE in the 1850’s — 1865 and knows firsthand all the historical facts, etc., then who are we to argue with that? πŸ˜‰

            I’ll email you later Scottie.

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            Comment by Professor Taboo — October 26, 2017 @ 17:36

            • πŸ‘ŒπŸ˜ŠπŸ˜πŸ˜‰ Hugs

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              Comment by Scottie — October 26, 2017 @ 17:39

            • Email sent Sir. πŸ™‚

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              Comment by Professor Taboo — October 26, 2017 @ 19:08

            • Thank you Professor. I saved the web site link. You are grand. Hugs

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              Comment by Scottie — October 26, 2017 @ 19:22

            • πŸ‘ You are welcome. Definitely checkout that secondary page on the five Declarations of Causes of Seceding States. It will give you a good balance on how the South saw the conflict and why Lincoln and the Union were justified in responding FIRMLY to the South’s aggression at Ft. Sumter.

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              Comment by Professor Taboo — October 26, 2017 @ 19:55

  2. The other side of the story is behind this…have you ever even heard of it? Probably not, since the winners always write the history books. Try this on for size:

    * There is nothing in the constitution that prevents a state leaving. it is a right reserved to the states. Show me the article or amendment that says a state can’t leave.
    * Lincoln declared an illegal war on the south to force them back into the union. The moralizing excuse was to free the slaves. Only the super-rich top 1% of the southern elites owned a large number of slaves. Most southern whites were as poor as slaves themselves.
    * All of the northern states except PA had laws on the books allowing holding slaves. NY had legal slavery until 1845. The abolitionists got these laws overturned. They would have eventually got the slave laws in the south overturned without a brutal, bloody war. These people got a half million people killed for their cause.
    * Black southern freedmen and slaves trying to earn freedom carried arms and fought for the south.
    * The majority of the states, 6 out of 11, left because of the state’s rights issue, not because of the slavery issue. They did not want the rich merchants of the north dictating to the sovereign states their laws. The republic had a limited federal system. The growth of the federal government to the giant octopus ogre that it is now started with Lincoln and the civil war. Roosevelt, Johnson, and most of the presidents since Reagan have aggressively campaigned for more and more federal government with correspondingly higher taxes. The country will never get out of the debt it has taken on to fund the growth of the federal government.
    * The cause of the war was ultimately economic, as with all wars. The northerners did not care about the poor slaves until the southern merchants and manufacturers started shipping directly out of Savannah and Charleston to London. Until the late 1850’s, southern merchants sent overseas shipments through New York harbor and Boston harbor. When northern merchants started to lose this income, the business, manufacturing, and merchant sector joined the abolitionists to crush the competition. This was the ultimate reason for the war.
    * If you don’t believe that statement, follow the money. Business boomed in the north as suppliers built whole fortunes providing equipment and arms to the northern armies. War is good business, as long as your factories and homes are not getting destroyed.
    * Again, follow the money…Lincoln paid for the war with greenback paper money, which had no basis. This issue of money was still in use until recent times. Have you ever noticed a red triangle on the back of a dollar bill? That was the issue of money that Lincoln printed out of thin air. The Fed has taken out of circulation all those bills, but their derivative issues are still in use.
    * Again, follow the money…Lincoln’s baseless paper money was the beginning of the Federal Reserve system. The US Federal Reserve is the biggest criminal counterfeiter that has ever existed.

    I think it is downright heroic that people would fight against the oppression of the federal government with its confiscatory taxes, baseless money, endless deficit spending, and overwhelming laws that rob states of their rights. Do you know that there are laws on the books that Bush jr. helped invent that allow the Homeland Security goons to break into your house in the middle of the night, haul you away without any charges, and hold you indefinitely in a secret prison in northern Utah for the rest of your life without telling your relatives where you are being held? Yep, the 9-11 attack changed many things.

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    Comment by jknbt jknbt — October 26, 2017 @ 11:55

    • Hello Jknbt. What a nice way to start a comment , by not even remembering what the posted video was. You say in your opening sentence that the

      Probably not, since the winners always write the history books.

      while the video was about the losers of the war rewriting history. Maybe you would like to watch it again or did you just drop by to pick a fight?
      Lets get to your points.

      Point one was settled by the war. The states are under the federal government not the other way round. It established as a main stay precedent. As much as I would love to see some states go, they cant, and yes that includes the delusion Rick Perry had that Texas had special rights to leave the union. They do not.

      When the Confederate states seceded in 1861 and were then defeated in the Civil War, the argument is that they demonstrated that you can’t secede from the Union. The 1869 Supreme Court case Texas v. White (Texas! … determined that the secession was never actually a real thing in the eyes of the federal government.Jun 27, 2016,?blockquote>

      On February 23, 1861, citizens of the state voted overwhelmingly to secede from the United States. … In February 1869 the Supreme Court ruled in Texas v. White that the secession had been illegal, that the Union was insoluble by actions of a state, and that states therefore did not have the right to secede.

      As you can see the law of the land doesn’t allow it.

      Actually your history is faulty. The start of the war was the south firing on fort Sumter.

      March 4, 1861 – Abraham Lincoln is sworn in as 16th President of the United States of America. April 12, 1861 – At 4:30 a.m. Confederates under Gen. Pierre Beauregard open fire with 50 cannons upon Fort Sumter in Charleston, South Carolina. The Civil War begins.

      Oh and just a side note, Pres. Lincoln never wished to free slaves at the start of the war. And the emancipation proclamation actually only freed southern slaves so they could fight the war for the union. In the end all slaves were freed but at the start it was not the goal. The south was sure that the north would outlaw slavery so they went to war first to protect it. If you doubt it was about slavery read the remarks by the confederate Vice Pres. at the start of the war. He states it clearly that it is about the right to own slaves, other people as property.

      On September 22 1862, Abraham Lincoln issued his preliminary Emancipation Proclamation, in which he declared that as of January 1, 1863, all slaves in states in rebellion against the Union “shall be then, thenceforward, and forever free.”
      http://www.history.com/news/5-things-you-may-not-know-about-lincoln-slavery-and-emancipation

      Did you attempt to look any of this stuff up?
      Again the idea this was about states rights is a straw man. What right did they want to protect? It was slavery. Again the leaders of the confederacy said so.

      The Cornerstone Speech, also known as the Cornerstone Address, was an oration delivered by Confederate Vice President Alexander Stephens at the Athenaeum in Savannah, Georgia, on March 21, 1861.
      Delivered extemporaneously a few weeks before the Confederacy would start the American Civil War by firing on the U.S. Army at Fort Sumter, Stephens’ speech applauded white supremacy, defended the enslavement of Africans and African Americans, explained the fundamental differences between the constitutions of the Confederacy and that of the United States, enumerated contrasts between U.S. and Confederate ideologies and beliefs, and laid out the Confederacy’s causes for declaring secession.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornerstone_Speech

      OK as so far your history is faulty and really just an exercise to rewrite the truth of the history. I am not going to spend the rest of my afternoon looking into ways to teach history for you. Google the things you wrote in the comment and you will see they are wrong. Do try to use real sources not confederate wishes pages by people who can’t admit they lost the right o own other humans.

      OK to the end rant of your comment. Are you really thinking this through dude? It is not an oppressive government. It is not as progressive as I would like and I think some of the laws should be changed. However the point is the people can get them changed, we can work with in the government to fix what bothers us. All sides, your side which I think is not a true representation of reality and the rest of us. Did you know that we are NOT the most taxed nation. Giving back taxes to the wealthy and corporations wont start jobs. How do we know, because it has been tried since Reagan. It doesn’t work. Corporations just do buy backs with any extra money. You have to have money to run the government, simple. There is nothing for free, a payment must be made somewhere by someone. Every service the government gives is wanted by someone. So lets use Keynesian economics and give the money to the poor and working poor. They will spend it, as they have no choice they need it so badly and that stimulates the economy. Mark Cuban gave a ted talk and he explained that giving him a billionaire more money did not help the economy because he could only use so many shirts and pants and shoes. He only drove a few cars. The money has to go to the base that will spend it to generate more demand for products.
      As for the breaking into your home and holding you with out charges, you have to be a declared … anyone who has committed a β€œbelligerent act,” can be detained indefinitely, without charges or trial, as a β€œsuspected terrorist.” … This is from a huffpost article. Besides the bounty hunters have had that right since the 1800’s. Really a bounty hunter can break into your home, take you by force, even harm you or your family and if they are wrong, it is still legal for them and they are protected. That should worry you. Besides Utah is not the place that should worry you, that should be gitmo. OK have fun. Do look up the real history of the civil war. Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — October 26, 2017 @ 13:09


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