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April 7, 2018

NRA wants more gun buyers.

Filed under: Cartoons, Gun Control, Harm, Health, Memes, News, NRA, Political — Tags: , , — Scottie @ 10:22

(cartoon by Keith Tucker)

 

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  1. GOP-Congressmen lobbying for the NRA are lobbying for murder.

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    Comment by miles — April 7, 2018 @ 11:14

    • Yes miles you are correct. Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — April 7, 2018 @ 13:33

      • To make my point even clearer:
        See Scottie, you and I have been soldiers in the past, for many years. So we both know, that halfautomatic weapons, that soldiers use, are made for k i l l i n g and n o t for selfdefence. So what the GOP and the NRA do, is lobbying for MURDER. This should be made very clear especially to congresssman. … and any congressman lobbying for possession of halfautomatic rilfles should be accused, for promoting murder! Therre should be a strict difference between killing and selfdefence – – – even if the NRA screams “fraudW.

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        Comment by miles — April 7, 2018 @ 13:59

        • I understand and agree. But it would be hard , in fact almost impossible to try to charge the NRA and congress people bribed by them with murder. It wouldn’t work. But I do agree with you. Hugs

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          Comment by Scottie — April 7, 2018 @ 14:26

  2. Hi Scottie;
    I have come to the conclusion that the nra type people just have no understanding of the issue. For instance, last night I stumbled on a vid where Alex Jones and Ted Nugent discussed the “fact” that the AR-15 is not a military weapon. That it only shoots a basic .22 bullet, semi-automatic (huge difference between a .22 and a .223) and is not a weapon of any real deadliness. These two went on to shoot the AR-15 in demonstration at a paper target. Following this, they used a 12-gauge shotgun shooting 00buck shot and showed how this was a much more dangerous weapon in the type of situation such as a school where the children were within 12 to 20 feet from the shooter.

    Because this is so very unbelievable, I will include the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GP94gIX1QLs&t=270s Ted Nugent Proves A Shotgun Is Deadlier Than An AR-15
    1,355,049 views

    I was so very lost. I mean, I know this is Ted Nugent and Alex Jones, so ridiculous is expected. But, this underscores the complete miss of the point.

    hugs;
    randy

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    Comment by Randy — April 7, 2018 @ 13:09

    • Randy thank you for that update. I know Nugent has been being a real stupid asshole who is saying anything to help the NRA. I can not stand to listen to him or even fox news on this issue they lie so much. Here is some stuff I found when I looked into it.

      They are wrong. I posted the information from doctors who work in trauma hospitals and deal with gunshots. The AR_15 is modeled after a military weapon, which is clear simply from its looks. Add to that the fact of how many rounds a minute can be fired which is much higher than other rifle types, and the speed at which the bullet travels which again is much higher than other guns.

      The 9mm handgun is generally regarded as an effective weapon; its bullet travels at 1,200 feet per second and delivers a kinetic energy of 400 foot pounds. By comparison, the standard AR-15 bullet travels at 3,251 feet per second and delivers 1300 foot pounds.

      Tissue destruction of the AR-15 is further enhanced by cavitation, which is the destruction of tissue beyond the direct pathway of the bullet; this occurs with high velocity bullets because their kinetic energies are over 2,500 foot pounds.

      https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/parkland-shooter-s-ar-15-was-designed-kill-efficiently-possible-ncna848346

      Ernest E Moore, MD, is the editor of the Journal of Trauma

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      Comment by Scottie — April 7, 2018 @ 13:26

      • Hi Scottie;
        Oh, I agree with everything you just said. What made me sit and stare at this vid for almost a full five minutes in complete wtf’d awe was that their argument for not banning AR-15’s such as the one used the Parkland school is that the shotgun is more dangerous in such a situation! And, just what was that situation?? Oh, that would be entering a school and shooting at a bunch of kids. May I emphasize SHOOTING AT KIDS?! See, far more effective using the shotgun. These people…. there, see, no quotes. I’m forgiving…… these people are driving the point of what gun to NOT ban and not that the problem is that someone is going in and shooting people, and specifically kids. It’s near like “he used a corvette to drive into the crowd. Should have used a Peterbuilt Semi with a full load of steel girders if he wanted to get a full killing dispersal pattern. Wait, I’ll show you”.

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        Comment by Randy — April 7, 2018 @ 13:45

        • Sorry. More I think on it more it pisses me off.

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          Comment by Randy — April 7, 2018 @ 13:52

          • Oh I understand. I am a little hot under the collar right now from my two days of talk with Amanda in the comments. Trying to be calm and rational with her, but it is not easy. Hugs

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            Comment by Scottie — April 7, 2018 @ 14:24

        • Yes I agree and I understand. They can not get their head around the idea the subject is the killing of kids. Hugs

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          Comment by Scottie — April 7, 2018 @ 14:23

    • Hi Randy, the nra type people just do indeed have full understanding of the issue. What they do is just lie for the prospect of earning a better life in the future, without caring a monkeys, what might happen with their sold weapons. They just – as well as the congressmen, lack the responsibility for their own – and others creatures lifes.

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      Comment by miles — April 7, 2018 @ 14:09

      • Hi Miles.
        I wonder if Scottie minds we take over his blog today? Nah… he started it. Anyway, yeah… they know what they are doing. Anything for a dollar.

        Hey, did you get my email?

        Hugs Miles and Scottie
        -randy

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        Comment by Randy — April 7, 2018 @ 14:25

        • Hey go for it guys. I enjoy it. I have to run and eat, but you guys chat away. Hugs

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          Comment by Scottie — April 7, 2018 @ 14:28

  3. The notion that a “good guy with a gun” will stop a “bad guy with a gun” has been disproven as evident by the shooting at Stoneman Douglas. The NRA wants more gun buyers and targets to a specific demographic, Caucasians. Philando Castle, an African American, was a registered gun owner, yet when he was killed, the NRA was silent. More gun buyers do not equate to a safer society. The NRA is blind to that fact.

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    Comment by Catherine — April 7, 2018 @ 19:10

    • Hello Catherine. You are correct. I have tried before to explain how the good guy with a gun argument fails with examples. It has happened a few times someone with a gun gets lucky, it is very rare. But each time they take what happened and exaggerate it and claim it works in all cases. That is simply false. In 99.9 % of the time adding more guns gets more people killed. Thanks for coming to my blog. Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — April 7, 2018 @ 19:14

  4. I looked up some statistics today. Sixty percent of gun deaths in the US are suicides. Those gun deaths account for about half of successful suicides in this country. Right now there’s nothing stopping suicidal people in most jurisdictions from buying a firearm. They would have had to have been committed after being found mentally incompetent by a hearing (or some other specific instances). I even found one website that sells firearms refer to such weapons as “toys.”

    Toys.

    Worst thing is I don’t even care about taking guns from jerks who live out in the middle of nowhere. I do care about people (like me) who don’t have to actually stop and wait to purchase an engine of their own demise. Right now if I had the money, nothing would stop me from buying a rifle or shotgun from Walmart. That scares me.

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    Comment by Sirius Bizinus — April 8, 2018 @ 02:51

    • Thank you for sharing SB. I worry about that but I don’t have any answers. We as a country, as a people have dropped the ball on the mental health issue. There is little to no help. My husband works in an ICU. The have people all the time with mental illness that are also sick physically. They are not trained on how to treat their mental problems, so they end up having to restrain these people. They have to have people sit with them and this last week a man who was delusional assaulted Ron and two others. Ron is 63 years old and injured his hand trying to restrain the man. We really need to put the money and they staff to this issue. Best wishes for you. Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — April 8, 2018 @ 09:10

  5. Automobile companies want more buyers, and vehicles kill far more people than guns; should we condemn those companies too? Maybe we should ban vehicles while we’re at it!

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    Comment by Amanda — April 8, 2018 @ 13:06

    • Hello Amanda. You forget automobiles have a purpose which is not killing. The killing an auto is involved with is not what the auto was designed for. A gun is designed to kill. Period. Guns started out in the beginning as weapons of war. Not as good as todays, but good enough. They then got used for hunting. The first guns were not used for hunting as the sucked at it and were noisy and smokey. Did you really think that old NRA talking point has not been well debunked? Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — April 8, 2018 @ 14:18

      • A gun is not for killing? It’s for protection. Plenty of gunshots dont result in death, and the vast majority of bullets fired do not harm anyone (not including animals).

        Even if we go with your “guns are designed to kill and vehicles arent” argument, why does the mechanic’s intent matter?
        The argument is to ban guns because they harm and kill people; what I’m saying is vehicles and alcohol separately and together cause far more harm than guns do, so you’d have to ban those as well to be logically consistent.

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        Comment by Amanda — April 8, 2018 @ 18:54

        • Hello Amanda. You seem to miss the point so let’s go over it again.

          A gun is not for killing

          A gun in its earliest form came from the chinese invention of gunpowder. They had no real use for it until a warlord though to put it into something with objects and point that at the enemy then ignite the powder. I already went over with you the progression of guns. The fact is guns were developed for war purposes. Which means they were designed to kill. Despite other things they can do, including wounding, the purpose is to kill. Either humans or hunting game they are designed to kill. Just the same as the bow and arrow and the spear are also designed to kill. Even a sword was designed to kill. So to your auto / alcohol issue, you have to look at what they were designed for and then primary usage for them.

          OK now again I told you the primary purpose of autos is not to kill or main or harm. They can be used for those tasks, but they were not developed for that reason. You ask why the intent of the mechanic matters. That is a strawman. What you basically are trying to say is guns don’t kill people, people kill people. That is a debunked NRA talking point. This is better said as “people with guns kill other people”. No one thinks a gun goes out by it self to a school and starts to shoot everyone. A gun on the table that is not touched is not the problem. The gun in the human hand is. Anderson connors wrote a great post you should read on this. https://andcon73.wordpress.com/2018/04/08/a-few-more-firearm-thoughts/ Read the comments also please. Hugs

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          Comment by Scottie — April 8, 2018 @ 19:48

          • Hi Scottie;
            Hope you don’t mind me putting my two cents in here, again. I think Amanda and I agree on a certain aspect of this issue: I don’t like the idea of the government saying what I can and can not have, or things being banned, etc. I’m not a fan of regulation. But, when in a society a problem becomes known, to ignore that problem, cloud it with nonsense, or seek some sort of solution that is fundamentally unsound and unable to address the issue is foolish. The simple fact of the matter is that RESPONSIBLE gun owners (I come from a family that has hunted and target shot for generations) would never place the free access of guns over the lives and safety of our very children. We have a serious issue with definitions!
            IF the nra and the type spouting free range guns were to really care, they would be aghast at the use of their prize issue being used in the commission of these acts. They would demand action that would ensure the continued safe use of guns for the purposes of hunting, target shooting and personal safety. They would demand that anyone using their prize issue for such horrific acts upon their community come under the harshest of corrective measures and that safeguards be put in place to ensure it is not such a recurrent issue that the very thing has become common place!
            To be clear; I don’t care if people own guns. Have one, have a hundred. Not my concern. But, when our people, when our very children, are being shot in their classrooms, the society has a problem and it needs to be taken seriously by people who value the kid over the gun.

            Such is my opinion….
            Hugs my brother.
            -randy

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            Comment by Randy — April 9, 2018 @ 15:53

            • Hello Randy. Agreed. First we can agree that the assault weapon has no use in a civil society by civilians. Even if that nut case that you watched compared them to shotguns, the assault weapon fires far more rounds, is easier and quicker to reload, and the bullet speed is much greater. They simply don’t compare. Responsible gun owners can see we need them off the streets.

              By the way I had to take James to convenient care then to the ER. The suspected a bleed in his skull. I just got home a little while ago. Even with a letter from convenient saying brain bleed they still say it will be 4 hours before they can see him. So I came home to get Ron off to work. Hugs

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              Comment by Scottie — April 9, 2018 @ 16:01

  6. catchphrase fpr EVERY day:
    NRA-friends are lobbying for murder

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    Comment by miles — April 9, 2018 @ 11:53


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