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April 24, 2018

Trump Voters Driven by Fear of Losing Status, Not Economic Anxiety, Study Finds

Filed under: Bigotry, News, opinion, Political, Questions, Race — Tags: , , , — Scottie @ 12:58

 

A study published on Monday in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences questions that explanation, the latest to suggest that Trump voters weren’t driven by anger over the past, but rather fear of what may come. White, Christian and male voters, the study suggests, turned to Mr. Trump because they felt their status was at risk.

“It’s much more of a symbolic threat that people feel,’’ said Diana C. Mutz, the author of the study and a political science and communications professor at the University of Pennsylvania, where she directs the Institute for the Study of Citizens and Politics. “It’s not a threat to their own economic well-being; it’s a threat to their group’s dominance in our country over all.”

“It used to be a pretty good deal to be a white, Christian male in America, but things have changed and I think they do feel threatened,” Dr. Mutz said.

The other surveys supported the cultural anxiety explanation, too.

For example, Trump support was linked to a belief that high-status groups, such as whites, Christians or men, faced more discrimination than low-status groups, like minorities, Muslims or women, according to Dr. Mutz’s analysis of the University of Chicago study.

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  1. “A new study suggests that the white, Christian and male voters who supported Donald J. Trump were driven by concerns over losing their privilege.” Yep!

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    Comment by inspiredbythedivine1 — April 24, 2018 @ 14:24

    • Yes, we knew that. But they keep doing new studies to find out that is the case. Then they do another study saying that. Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — April 24, 2018 @ 14:35

      • I knew this when Trump was running, yet they act like, “WOW!! Check THIS out! Who’da thunk it?! Let’s do 4 more studies to confirm it!” UGH! 🙂

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        Comment by inspiredbythedivine1 — April 24, 2018 @ 16:18

  2. I agree that is a big part of it…the white privilege thing, but there is more as well. They tend to be older and don’t like change and of course, the religious element of abortion and gay rights that they seem to be obsessed with. The hypocrisy of religion, especially the far right Christian ones are so understatingly obvious.
    To me is gotten to a very simple conflict..almost a war if you will…
    It’s between not good and evil ( although in a way it is), but a war between ignorance, blind faith and greed against reason, logic and a desire for fairness and a decent life for all of our citizens regardless of race or color.
    The past against the future…..

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    Comment by maryplumbago — April 24, 2018 @ 14:53

    • That is part of the white christian older persons mentioned. I have seen these people in my area, and while I enjoy most of their company at times I wonder how they can be so blind. Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — April 24, 2018 @ 15:01

      • Oh yes… I see it all the time..After all Fla. has a lot of older people, myself included.😊 and most of them are quite nice and friendly.

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        Comment by maryplumbago — April 24, 2018 @ 15:21

        • Yes we tend to be a friendly bunch for the most part, especially in our own areas. Get outside of them and things can get squirrely fast. I am in the older category myself. Hugs

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          Comment by Scottie — April 24, 2018 @ 15:28

    • I blame fox news for most of the weird ways my older neighbors think. They watch it and believe it as in their lives news people were trustworthy, so they get upset and repeat what fox shows. Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — April 24, 2018 @ 15:02

      • That’s funny because it’s so true. I have a 98 year old neighbor(male) who has his TV terminally on Fox. But my closest friend (female) also a bit older, but not 98, has hers on MSNBC. Go figure!

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        Comment by maryplumbago — April 24, 2018 @ 15:25

        • The weird thing is that Fox has a much bigger impact on its viewers than the other stations. I am not sure why. Hugs

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          Comment by Scottie — April 24, 2018 @ 15:27

          • It’s almost like a preacher style mixed with anger and blame it on someone else mentality. They eat it up! It’s really a sick entertainment and not really a news show.

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            Comment by maryplumbago — April 24, 2018 @ 15:32

          • Because they’re the ONLY ones telling the truth, duh! Come on, man! Didn’t you know that?! 🙂

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            Comment by inspiredbythedivine1 — April 24, 2018 @ 16:19

  3. I suppose they’s know the fear of every other minority group i America then starting with the Native Americans. A show of real equality would take away any need to feel like that.
    Hugs

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    Comment by davidprosser — April 24, 2018 @ 16:48

    • Agreed David. But they don’t want equality, they want to feel superior and be treated that way. But those times are passing, I hope. Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — April 24, 2018 @ 16:51

  4. According to the last paragraph in the Times report the subjects of the study believe they are being discriminated against and they want that to stop. That is a fair request and a long way from wanting to feel superior.

    From reading the replies and comments, the people commenting certainly appease to feel superior to the subjects of the study.

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    Comment by Old Guy — June 15, 2018 @ 11:47

    • Hello Old Guy. Welcome to my blog. I think you may need to read that again. Here is a quote,

      “It used to be a pretty good deal to be a white, Christian male in America, but things have changed and I think they do feel threatened,” Dr. Mutz said.

      Also

      In both cases, the findings revealed a fear that American global dominance was in danger, a belief that benefited Mr. Trump and the Republican Party.

      While not the last paragraph I think you were referring to this.

      For example, Trump support was linked to a belief that high-status groups, such as whites, Christians or men, faced more discrimination than low-status groups, like minorities, Muslims or women, according to Dr. Mutz’s analysis of the NORC study.

      This is simply saying they were afraid of losing their white  christian privilege.  No studies support the persecution complex christianity loves to portray against them.   
      

      Notice that the groups were referred to as high status groups. The fact is white people, males, and the majority religion christianity do not want to be competing with any race, sex, or religion. They want their honored old time right to superiority.

      So I disagree totally with your comment and conclusion. Have a good night. Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — June 15, 2018 @ 16:42

  5. I think you need to read the last paragraph again. But I never though you would agree with me.

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    Comment by Old Guy — June 15, 2018 @ 16:52

    • Hey old guy. Here is the last two paragraphs.

      What does it matter which kind of anxiety — cultural or economic — explains Mr. Trump’s appeal?

      If wrong, the prevailing economic theory lends unfounded virtue to his victory, crediting it to the disaffected masses, Dr. Mutz argues. More important, she said, it would teach the wrong lesson to elected officials, who often look to voting patterns in enacting new policy.

      As I understand this, it is saying it matters if the prevailing theory that it was the economics of those feeling they were left behind economically was wrong it would send the wrong lesson to elected officials. Well that theory was wrong. Most of us knew it was wrong from the start. It was mostly the culture issues that drove tRumps raise. As it so often is with a demagogue.

      Regardless if we agree or not I always give people a chance. I hope you do as well. Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — June 15, 2018 @ 16:58

  6. No, it is saying they think that other groups are receiving preferred treatment. That means they think they are being discriminated against. The summary you posted of the last paragraph was totally incorrect and a mistatment of what it says
    Not that it matters much. Few minds are changed by this posts.

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    Comment by Old Guy — June 15, 2018 @ 17:00

    • First this part

      What does it matter which kind of anxiety — cultural or economic — explains Mr. Trump’s appeal?

      Sets up the question answered in the last paragraph. Which is,

      If wrong, the prevailing economic theory lends unfounded virtue to his victory, crediting it to the disaffected masses

      Note the use of the words, “prevailing economic theory”. My reading of the ending is correct.

      However what is more important.

      Trump support was linked to a belief that high-status groups, such as whites, Christians or men, faced more discrimination than low-status groups, like minorities, Muslims or women

      Do you really think it is true that high status groups such as whites, christians, or men are the victim of more discrimination than low status groups such as minorities, non-christians, or women? You can tell which group is the greater victim by the words “high status” and “low status” . Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — June 15, 2018 @ 17:09

      • I think it is true that reverse discrimination exists. It is true lthat other groups are given preference to all whites, including high status whites in certain areas. It is true that people who voted for Trump see wasteful government programs that favor people other whites as other groups which programs should be eliminated.
        I think that people who voted for Trump are people who have been voting republican for decades. The Romney voters were virtually the same people as the Trump voters. They are people who don’t like the welfare state. They believe government programs crest dependence on government and do more harm than good.
        The election was turned in Pennsylvania by a few thousand voters who switched from Obama to Trump, and by a failure of voters in Wisconsin and Michigan who voted for Obama but failed to turn out for Hillary.

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        Comment by Old Guy — June 15, 2018 @ 17:25

        • Before I answer can you clarify this sentence?

          It is true lthat other groups are given preference to all whites, including high status whites in certain areas.

          Hugs

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          Comment by Scottie — June 15, 2018 @ 17:28

  7. I am reading a report on the study and not the whole study. Maybe that is causing me to misread the report on the study.

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    Comment by Old Guy — June 15, 2018 @ 17:09

  8. Are you saying the low status whites in Appalachia are low status because they were discriminated against. That seems to be true based on your logic.

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    Comment by Old Guy — June 15, 2018 @ 17:33

    • No, I was asking for clarification on your sentence as it was garbled. However your answer gives me a bit of insight into your thinking. First the whites in Appalachia are not low status as far as race is concern. They may be economically depressed in comparison to other whites in other areas, however as whites they still have a higher status locally than non-whites. Do you remember what L.B.J. said?

      President Lyndon B. Johnson once said, “If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”

      In your last comment you mentioned the “welfare state” and government assistance programs. You thought they did more harm than good. Do you know what groups use the most in government aid programs? Yes White people. The biggest users of food stamp and child food programs are military families. But we honor our troops. The second largest group was Walmart workers. But we can not insist Walmart raise the wages they pay because that would be socialist, so let’s let the taxpayer subsidies the workers of a huge corporation instead. Facts ara pesky things. Reverse discrimination? Not really a thing. Exceedingly rare, so doesn’t have a real effect on society. Real discrimination on the other hand is very real and has a huge negative effect on a society.

      You asked why it was important to know why voters voted for tRump. You answered that yourself in the end of your last comment. Why did some people switch to vote for the other party? The truth of these things matters. The motives of the voters matter. Having a wrong idea of what happened makes for learning the wrong lesson. Study after study is showing what most of us suspected already. It was not the economy nor even individual wages that turned the election to tRump. It was the backlash against the gains in civil rights and the fear of the loss of privilege and superior position of the whites, white males, and the christian religious sects. We had a black man as president who got hammered for wearing a tan suit, saluting with a coffee cup in his hand, and to this day has his birth certificate questioned. Yet tRump whose mother is scottish, can lie, cheat, steal, and have affairs and the religious right gives him a pass and excuses him. tRump just saluted a North Korean general and not any outrage on Fox News. The Obamas never had a marriage scandal and they were derided. The former first lady was constantly mocked of Fox News, yet recently they had a meltdown when a small slight was made about the current first lady. Imagine the outrage if Pres. Obama had five children with three different wives as a black man? But with white tRump it is all OK. Imagine a black president having an affair with a porn star, he would have been called immoral. Yet a white tRump gets a pass.

      It is a lot about race. This country has about 40% of the population that is either deeply racist or whites afraid of losing the white majority. We seen it in South Africa during apartheid. We really have to get a handle on what we have hidden for so long our it will tear the country apart. Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — June 15, 2018 @ 18:03

      • Sock it to ’em, Scottie!!

        As the bible says … He who has ears to hear, let him hear (ESV). Unfortunately, few seem to have the ears.

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        Comment by Nan — June 15, 2018 @ 18:50

        • Thank you Nan. I am not trying to be argumentative but some misconceptions need to be cleared up. Be well. Hugs

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          Comment by Scottie — June 15, 2018 @ 18:54

          • The misconceptions that need to be cleaned up are yours.
            Hugs.

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            Comment by Old Guy — June 15, 2018 @ 19:44

        • You should clean out your own wears before you talk about mine.
          Hugs.

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          Comment by Old Guy — June 15, 2018 @ 19:43

          • Huh! I don’t see anywhere in my comment where I mentioned your name … I was merely agreeing with Scottie and pointing out that few seem to “hear” the very good points he made.If the shoe fits …

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            Comment by Nan — June 15, 2018 @ 20:10

            • No, you did not mention my name. But I was the one being addressed and you said sock it to them. I was the only one getting it docked to so you had to have been referring to me . I was the only them ther.
              Hugs

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              Comment by Old Guy — June 15, 2018 @ 21:20

              • Old guy you are projecting. That is something I mentioned to you in the last reply. You have done it several times in comments. Nan and I have been fighting these battles against inequality and bigotry a long time. We are champions of civil rights and equal treatment for all. As she pointed out to you the points I raised are often ignored, and we have to keep repeating them to help people understand. Many people forget or are not aware of the deep intense misleading and untrue attacks on the Obama’s and Hillary Clinton. THese things need to be said, published, and repeated until people are fully aware of what was happening. I do not see Nan’s comment and my reply to her as an attack on you. Sorry. You should visit Nan’s blog and you will see there are few as open and nice to those who disagree with her as she is. Hugs

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                Comment by Scottie — June 16, 2018 @ 07:01

          • Old guy. You are very defencive. Why? I was pointing out how the media arm of the republican party, our own state TV , called fox news along with tRump supporters attacked President Obama for every imagined slight and offence while tRump and corrupt crew get a free pass from any responsibility for the horrible things they do. You may not see how you are coming across. Hugs

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            Comment by Scottie — June 16, 2018 @ 06:22

      • Finally got a chance to read your comment. You seem to have a problem with tying the word Trump. Everyone deserves to have his name printed correctly. Petty rude not to do it right.
        I believe the voters, just a few things thousand switched for economic reasons. If they were racist they would not have
        voted for Obama in the last two elections.
        Our country is already here pretty well torn apart. You want to blame it on old white men. I don’t agree. The problem will continue for years. But blaming us does not help solve it.

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        Comment by Old Guy — June 15, 2018 @ 21:18

        • Old guy you are wrong. tRump doesn’t deserve any respect. I know him much better than you think. I knew him long before he ran for president. He is a spoiled brat child who has never been told no. He is a complete moron who needed to be constantly bailed out by his father. He only has the small amount of money he has due to getting a very large inheritance and being connected to the mob. Now it is clear that he also is connected deeply to the Russian mob. He doesn’t even try to hide his US mob connections. He is such an ego maniac that no one was allowed to tell him he was wrong, even when he clearly was. There is more I can tell you. So no I won’t give him any respect and he deserves none.

          The video and print interviews done of tRump supporters showed they were both racist and misogynist. There may have been a few that bought into tRump’s totally refuted economic message but if so they did not think it out well. See he was strong on claims and vague sayings, but very light on any ways to accomplish those goals. He claimed he was going to bring back coal and steel, yet even coal mine owners admitted the coal industry was dying out from lack of need. He had no plan or program to bring back steel or any other manufacturing jobs. Now we know he thinks tariffs will do it, but in truth they will crash the economy. Now at the same time he totally trashed the rising renewable energy sector and the policies cost hundred of thousands of jobs in the solar field.
          I do not blame it on old white men. I blame it on white people who are either uneducated or bigoted. Many don’t even understand they are racist. I live in Florida and I know a lot of white people really worried about losing their white majority to “those people”. They get upset over people conversing in spanish because they can not understand it, but they were not in the conversation. They run around defending the confederate battle flag, a symbol used by an armed insurrection against the USA that lost. These people will tell you they love the US so much, yet they honor and display the flag of an enemy of the very US they love? Yet they freak out at a LGBTQ flag, a rainbow flag being displayed. Listen to state TV and compare it to other news sources, and you will clearly see the white majority status bias I am talking about. The whole reason they give to prevent immigration is to protect our culture. What culture is that? A white christian culture.

          Now why would I blame you? You said you did not and never would support tRump. It seem strange to me you would think I am blaming you? Hugs

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          Comment by Scottie — June 16, 2018 @ 06:53

  9. I did not say I believed that (about social programs). I said Republican voters believe that. You assumed I believed that.

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    Comment by Old Guy — June 15, 2018 @ 18:15

    • Very true. When you said

      I think that people who voted for Trump are people who have been voting republican for decades. The Romney voters were virtually the same people as the Trump voters. They are people who don’t like the welfare state. They believe government programs crest dependence on government and do more harm than good.

      You mentioned people who voted for tRump. When I went to your blog you were a tRump supporter. SO I assumed you voted for tRump, in which case it would include you as I did. Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — June 15, 2018 @ 18:25

      • There is nothing on lmy blog to indicate that I am s Trump supporter. I have no idea where you got there.
        I have never seen anyone who is so quick to make assumptions, and anyone whose assumptions are always wrong.
        I am not and never have been a Trump supporter. Period.
        And hugs.

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        Comment by Old Guy — June 15, 2018 @ 19:41

        • The first and second paragraph of your “tRump voter” post is where I got that idea. As far as making assumption I think you are in error on that . Fine your not a tRump supporter, however you need to be honest about the ones who are and the media arm of the republican party called fox news. Hugs

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          Comment by Scottie — June 16, 2018 @ 06:18

  10. “People who voted for Trump are programs that that benefit other whites, and groups of their than whites that are wasteful and should be dominated”

    I did not say I believed that. You just assumed that.

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    Comment by Old Guy — June 15, 2018 @ 18:20

    • What? I have no idea what you are trying to say. I never said anything like that. I did a wordsearch on the entire comment section and it only appears in the comment you left. Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — June 15, 2018 @ 18:29

  11. I was quoting the garbled part of my post that you asked me to clearify before you would respond to me.
    I never said you said that.

    Another assumption made by you.

    Incorrect t assumption again

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    Comment by Old Guy — June 15, 2018 @ 19:37

    • Old guy you said

      I did not say I believed that. You just assumed that.

      then you claim it was in reference to what you wrote, while at the same time claiming I assumed you said it. Get the story straight please. So go back and look at the the comment you made before this one, then this one. Neither of these makes sense. Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — June 16, 2018 @ 06:12

  12. On your point about WalMart employees. OThe taxpayers, including poor taxpayers of all descriptions, are subsidizing the employees. This saves the WalMart a great deal of money they do not have to pay the employees. That saved money goes directly into the pockets of the Walton family. One of the richest families in the world. Any program that takes money, tax money from poor people, white or any DNA cluster, and puts in in the pockets of billionaires is a bad program and should be stopped. Their are ways to require employers to pay their own workers instead of having the taxpayers subsidize them.

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    Comment by Old Guy — June 15, 2018 @ 21:53

    • Yes I agree. However the majority white christian congress doesn’t. look at the tax break giveaway they passed last year for the wealthy. Again the circle of money from business to elected officials back to businesses is the standard operating model of congress. We have to change the lobbying system and get the big money out of politics to get the politicians to listen to the people again. Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — June 16, 2018 @ 07:06


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