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August 21, 2018

Church fires gays, protects child abusers

Filed under: Atheism, Cartoons, Children, Homosexual, Memes, News, Questions, Religion — Scottie @ 09:31


  1. That was certainly a thought provoking quote and I never thought about the former part of the issue. The level of hypocrisy on that issue disgusts me as people use Christian values as a cover up while some believers get demonized by churches/religious groups for far less let alone having anyone (regardless of beliefs) get jailed for WAY less than those horrific actions.

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    Comment by ospreyshire — August 21, 2018 @ 12:05

    • Yes shows both the hypocrisy and the moral failings. As long as the church thinks being gay or in a same sex marriage is an abomination to god, but insists on protecting child abusers they need not lecture me on morals. One of the things that came out was the directive to keep paying and support a priest known to be molesting kids, but they will fire a gay teacher or clerk with no thought to how they will survive. The give an ultimatum to the gay person and protection the child abuser. Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — August 21, 2018 @ 12:16

      • Of course. The fact that innocent people in the LGBT community get fired yet real child abusers get protected is sick. This action also adds to the stereotypical strawman that all gay people are pedophiles which I know isn’t true and I’m straight. Innocent people of any orientation should never be punished.

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        Comment by ospreyshire — August 21, 2018 @ 12:38

        • Well said, Hugs

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          Comment by Scottie — August 21, 2018 @ 12:41

        • They seem to miss the fact Gay <> Pedophile. As a bi sexual married to a woman I can say I’ve ever wanted sex with a child! The two are not the same but the church conflates the issue. 🙂 /hugs to you both

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          Comment by Michelle Styles — August 21, 2018 @ 15:05

          • Best wishes to all of you, hope all is good. Your daughter should be started back to school by now. Hope she enjoys it. Many hugs


            Comment by Scottie — August 21, 2018 @ 15:39

          • Exactly! Those two are not the same thing. One can easily destroy that argument with people who believe that fallacy by mentioning people like Josh Duggar, Roman Polanski, Toby Willis, Shelley Dufresne, Robert Richards IV, etc. etc.

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            Comment by ospreyshire — August 23, 2018 @ 10:34

            • Honestly you keep repeating the same ignorant things. You don’t read, haven’t even gone to the multiple references I posted in my lengthy replies.

              He who knows not and knows not he knows not is simple teach him. I tried to do this and you refuse to learn so instead..
              He who knows not and knows not he knows not is a fool shun him. Since you can’t be taught have fun in your ifnorance …peace.

              Sorry Scottie I tried but I can’t waste breath and time on those unwilling to learn. I’m done trying to explain to her.

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              Comment by Michelle Styles — August 23, 2018 @ 11:28

              • I’m a bit confused, Michelle. I saw your reply to my comment and I agreed with your comment about how being gay isn’t the same thing as being a pedophile. The examples I used involved straight people abusing minors as a way to destroy that straw man comparisons.

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                Comment by ospreyshire — August 23, 2018 @ 11:52

                • My appligues it was meant for the lady who keeps insisting Islam is Christianity 2.0

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                  Comment by Michelle Styles — August 23, 2018 @ 11:58

                • Ospreyshine I think Michelle was referring to Amanda in that comment. It just got dropped at the bottom of yours, but not directed to you.

                  She has been trying to teach Amanda the history of Islam. Hugs

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                  Comment by Scottie — August 23, 2018 @ 12:47

                  • I noticed that and I understand. Thanks. I’m glad things are cleared up now. 🙂

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                    Comment by ospreyshire — August 23, 2018 @ 14:36

                    • Me also. I have done that my self a few times , had my comment drop in the wrong place. Be well. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — August 23, 2018 @ 14:40

                    • No problem. We’re only human. I’ve made that mistake before, too.

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                      Comment by ospreyshire — August 23, 2018 @ 15:25

              • It is OK Michelle, Amanda never reads what I reply to her. She is convinced she is correct and she wont do the research. She normally gets angry and starts in with insults.

                I learned a lot form your comments, and I thank you for them. Best wishes. Hugs


                Comment by Scottie — August 23, 2018 @ 12:46

        • The second in the catholics hierarchy – an Australian cardinal – is finally prosecuted by law for Childabuse many years ago. This is an example how much the catholic officials hold their protecting hands over childabusers even of the highest ranked officials when it comes to childabuse,

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          Comment by miles — November 23, 2018 @ 07:50

          • The American bishops were to vote on ways to stop child abuse in the church and the Pope told them not to have the vote. Hugs


            Comment by Scottie — November 23, 2018 @ 09:05

          • Oh, wow. I’m glad he got prosecuted, but that should’ve happened much sooner if they found that cardinal dead to rights in doing those heinous acts.

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            Comment by ospreyshire — November 23, 2018 @ 16:56

  2. If it were Islam then they’d have killed the gays and encouraged the child abusers


    Comment by Amanda — August 21, 2018 @ 14:18

    • Amanda, your back. Need another space to spew incorrect and mostly ignorant statements? Lets see how you are wrong. If it were Islam… Here is where you fail at reasoning. Not all Muslims wish to kill gays. I know this because I know some. Just because in some Islamic theocracies they do kill gays doesn’t mean that all people of Islamic faith do. Just like while some Christians want to kill gays, not all do. Same goes for child abusers.

      Amanda you really have a bee in your bonnet over Islam don’t you. Why? There was no reason to bring up Islam at all. This was a conversation about the Catholic church and its response and seeming acceptance of church employees , priests, have sexual relations with children. It is a simple dodge to bring up any other group, no matter which one. It is called whataboutism. Bill Donohue of the Catholic defense league uses it all the time to deflect from the subject of wrongs in the Catholic church by always screaming ” well group a does that , and group b does the other thing. You should read what he write, it is both disgusting and rather funny. If you get caught for speeding it is not an excuse to say well the other guy speeds also.

      Hey thanks for deleting all the correct comments I made on your blog and acting like you were in the mist of a hysterical melt down fueled by meth and booze the last time we talked. Made a great show. Hugs


      Comment by Scottie — August 21, 2018 @ 15:24

      • I definitely don’t think most Muslim people have the extremist ideology, but if we’re talking solely about doctrine (religious tenets and literature in general) then an Islamic society is definitely worse to be homosexual in than a Christian one.

        We know this because we regularly see fundamental Islamic governments killing those in violation of the Quran, because those nations don’t protect people, they protect ideas.
        Whereas in non-Islamic countries (which happen to typically be Christian, don’t think I’m singing praises to Christianity because I am not) these occurrences are far less frequent, socially accepted, and normalized.

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        Comment by Amanda — August 21, 2018 @ 17:00

        • You seem to be missing the biggest point. It is not the difference between the religions as you are saying, it is the differences in the governing system of those countries.

          Both Islam and Christianity call for the death of those they consider immoral or against their deity. Yes the bible is as bad as Islam about killing.

          The difference you see is that the government of some “Islamic” countries are theocracies.

          a form of government in which God or a deity is recognized as the supreme civil ruler, the God’s or deity’s laws being interpreted by the ecclesiastical authorities.

          compared to a democracy

          a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.

          So in those countries that you hear about them throwing gay people off buildings, requiring females to wear complete coverings and have a male escort and other silly rules , those are governments of religion.
          In countries where minorities have equal rights you have civil government which neuters the ability of religions to enforce their will.

          So it is not the religions which are the difference in threat, it is the type of government.

          The thing that should scare everyone is that there are groups here in the US that have pushed for a theocracy and they are winning. Mike Pence the vice president feels the government should be run according to his bible. Yes he wants laws made based on what the bible says. These people have had a huge up swell since tRump’s election. They are worked into every aspect of government now. The DOJ now has a religious freedom task force which is to work for more religious exemption from civil and other laws.
          This is the real threat here in the US to all minorities and females.



          Comment by Scottie — August 21, 2018 @ 17:29

          • But a theocratic society would have to be voted into place in America to begin with, and with a higher Muslim population versus Christian you can confidently bet that the likelihood of religious fundamentalism in the law & government is higher for sure.

            This is why Sharia countries are basically like war zones run by pirates, everything they do in life is a function of Islam.

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            Comment by Amanda — August 21, 2018 @ 20:02

            • No Amanda it won’t be voted in. Sorry have you not seen the government shift in the last 40 years. When Nixon talked about the silent majority he was lying. But the fundamentalist took the hint. Then came group after fundamentalist religious group to get their people elected and to push Christianity. You think Muslims want more religious control than Christians? Have you not been paying attention to groups that are on the radio , podcasts, TV, heck they even have their own universities now that are engaged in politics. ( liberty university, the huge one here in Florida Ave Maria that wanted it’s own town ) I have had to follow this stuff because these religious groups have been a direct threat to my rights. In this country the fundamentalist Christian groups are more a threat to me than Muslims are. The reason is the Christians are already writing laws the give to the law makers who are part of their group and they get those laws passed. Christian groups have privilege that Muslims don’t have. Think of this. Fox news went nuts when the first Muslim male was swore in for congress. But they never go crazy when a christian is elected into office. That is the assumed privilege that it is OK and normal to be Christian but it is scary and weird to be Muslim.

              Sharia simply means religious , I have explained that before. You are wrong on the war zone thing, where did you get that idea? Some Islamic countries have as much of a normal industrial society as we do. The big differences is not medium incomes or safety. It is not Syria like or Lebanon like, these are war zones, places that have been invaded and have been through their own civil wars. Take Iran, they have everything we do. They are an industrial society, they have a better health care system than we do. Until the United States invaded Iraq they had a civil society very much like ours except they had a dictatorship,. Seems like some people want one here also. They were not a religious control society. They are now thanks to us.

              You need to take some time and read up on these countries you think are so bad and see they have good and bad, and so does the USA. You should remember that countries that have religious laws have given us some of the greatest scientific advances in the past. I would also remind you that we are increasingly having laws based on religions beliefs. You know about the new task force from the DOJ? The religious liberty task force. See they pretend that Christians are so persecuted they need to have a task force in the Justice department to stick up for poor little Christianity and get them to having more power in government and society. Do you wonder why all the people claiming a religious right to not serve gays or make wedding cakes or refusing to be served in a restaurant are Christians and not Muslims? Yes I was listing to a big church preacher tell his congregation that if they go out to eat and they get ( I will take out his insults and slurs and paraphrase ) a gay waiter they should make a scene about it, demand a seating to be served by a good straight person and make sure that the gay knows he is an abomination to god. The religion this guy was a pastor of was Christianity.

              Be well. Hugs


              Comment by Scottie — August 21, 2018 @ 20:35

        • Certainly there are still some Christians who believe in death to gay people.

          I rest my case. So “Some” muslims, well guess what “Some” Christian leaders and people do as well.

          Damn son that was easy…

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          Comment by Michelle Styles — August 22, 2018 @ 09:36

          • Well said Michelle, thank you. Hugs


            Comment by Scottie — August 22, 2018 @ 09:37

          • Actually I was talking about doctrine, not people. They’re equally bad, regardless of what people do.


            Comment by Amanda — August 22, 2018 @ 11:34

            • That is their doctrine Amanda. Hugs


              Comment by Scottie — August 22, 2018 @ 11:38

              • It is both doctrines Scottie, which is why they should both be called out.


                Comment by Amanda — August 22, 2018 @ 11:40

                • Not so much in this country Amanda. You do not hear it so much and so loud from the Muslims as you do the Christians. Again the Muslin’s have not been in a position before to call publicly for the persecution and death of gay people in this country, but Christians have a whole network of public pastors / preachers who do call for the most vile treatment of gays. You do not see all day programs on special TV networks for Muslims in this country, but you do for Christians. Your original thrust was that the doctrine of Muslims was worse than the doctrines of Christians for gays and females. That doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. If Christian fundamentalist could have their way they would be as horrible to gays as the theocratic governments of Islam are. Yes they should be called out Amanda, but to say that the doctrines of the Muslims are worse than the doctrine of Christians is not true. I would ask you to look up Matt Powell on YouTube if you get the chance. He is a young 22 year old college kid who wants to be a baptist preacher. He often has clips of his sermons he gives at his church. He has given interviews with bloggers like Skylar Fiction. He is for the killing of gays, and disobedient children because it says so in his bible. Yes he is firm on that, the laws should be what the bible says and yes people should be put to death, even children because the bible says so. These people are really scary Amanda because they are in our government. You live in Florida correct. You see the pastors of churches running of elected office here in our state? They want to push their agenda, their doctrines, and their faith on the rest of us. Hugs


                  Comment by Scottie — August 22, 2018 @ 12:02

                  • The book is the same in all countries. Which is why I’m referring to what the books say and not what the people do.

                    Have you not read the Quran? Because the only way you could say Islam is less violent or anti-gay is if you haven’t read the book.


                    Comment by Amanda — August 22, 2018 @ 12:28

                    • Amanda, doctrines are what a church dictates are. They are statements of what the church as a body believes in.

                      As for comparing the Bible and the Koran for violence, they are both as guilty of the crime. That is the whole point. One is not a nice book and the other a bad book. They are both equally bad.

                      Here is something interesting. I decided to google the question to see if I was wrong. The results I got surprised me, they claim the Bible is more violent than the Koran. I thought they were about equal. However it seems they are not and the Bible is the worse of the two. Here are the links.





                      So I think there is nothing more to add here. Thanks Amanda. Hugs


                      Comment by Scottie — August 22, 2018 @ 12:39

                    • By doctrine I meant book, meaning the Bible and Quran.
                      There really is nothing anyone could say that could get around the fact that the books are indeed equally violent and anti-gay, because there are no “levels” so to speak of condoning any type of violence or any type of anti-homosexuality.

                      I think we’re both kind of getting at the same point that both books just say the same thing in different ways, and either way you say it it’s equally bad.


                      Comment by Amanda — August 22, 2018 @ 14:54

                    • Yes I said it was equally bad. I also mentioned I then wanted to double check myself as I can be wrong. I did a google search on which was more violent, the Bible or the Koran. As I told you I was wrong when I said they were equal, the bible it seems is far more violent. I sent you four links.

                      I agree discrimination and bigotry and the calls for violence and death to LGBTQ along with the treatment of females in both religions is wrong. But we agreed on that already.

                      I am enjoying learning the history of Islam that Michelle is laying out for us. I hope you are also. There is a lot I did not know about the back ground of the faith. I admit I have studied Christianity more as it is more common and I run it it more often. Hugs


                      Comment by Scottie — August 22, 2018 @ 15:39

            • All those pastors where claiming holy doctrine. Over the years gay people have suffered because of Christian doctrine. So are all bible believing Christian’s bad for believing in doctrine that calls for persicuting others?

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              Comment by Michelle Styles — August 22, 2018 @ 11:41

              • I am speaking to the Bible and the Quran, which both justify punishing homosexuality with violence, several times throughout the books.

                Islam is actually based heavily on Christianity. Most people don’t know the story of the “prophet” Muhammad or how Islam came to exist, which is solely because of Christianity. I really suggest looking into it because its very eye opening and interesting.


                Comment by Amanda — August 22, 2018 @ 11:46

                • And you have absolutely no clue what you’re talking about if you believe Islam is even really founded on Christianity

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                  Comment by Michelle Styles — August 22, 2018 @ 11:49

                  • It is based on Christianity. Muhammad claimed to be the last prophet after Abraham & Jesus.
                    These are facts.


                    Comment by Amanda — August 22, 2018 @ 12:30

                    • No Allah is the sun good, Mecca was his home. Wow that was easy to destroy next stupid statement?

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                      Comment by Michelle Styles — August 22, 2018 @ 12:44

                    • PS the symbol of Islam is the moon god Allah symbol. Mohammed was raise a believer in Allah and his tribe worshiped Allah. BEFORE he claimed to be a prophet.

                      Allah is the one god, but that one god is Allah the monster god Mohammed worshiped all his life.

                      Also Hebrew has no word Allah.

                      Next up?

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                      Comment by Michelle Styles — August 22, 2018 @ 12:46

                    • Michelle, would you like me to change good to God for you? Also he Rew to Hebrew? Hugs


                      Comment by Scottie — August 22, 2018 @ 12:49

                    • Yes please

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                      Comment by Michelle Styles — August 22, 2018 @ 12:50

                    • I’m doing this while reading a new modeling contract and skypeing Sarah

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                      Comment by Michelle Styles — August 22, 2018 @ 12:51

                    • I figured you were busy. Well if anyone can handle three things at once, you can. I understood what you were writing. Hugs


                      Comment by Scottie — August 22, 2018 @ 12:54

                    • Hugs. How’s you back been? Loved the sunflowers.

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                      Comment by Michelle Styles — August 22, 2018 @ 12:55

                    • Thanks, we put them there to attract birds and critters to the windows where the cats can sit and watch them. Give the cats something to see. They grew far better than I thought they would.

                      I am OK. I have a bunch of tests next week on my heart, I will let you know what they find.
                      Other than the normal Ron and I are good. Just fixing the old house up and not doing much right now. He went to New Hampshire for 10 days to see family. He is the youngest at 63 and has 8 other siblings, so about every two years he goes up. The tip is too hard for me to do, so I stay home. Best wishes on your contract. Hugs


                      Comment by Scottie — August 22, 2018 @ 12:59

                    • Scottie sorry I’m gonna blow this thread up. Since Amanda likes facts here we go….

                      For those thinking I have not studied the bible, the Quran and other religious texts. Let’s delve into the Origins of Allah. Whether or not it’s a biblical name or not. If you’d like to debate my “facts” feel free to comment and we can have some fun but what is fun for me will probably just annoy you since facts aren’t on your side. I happen to read Hebrew. Why because it was offered as a language in school.
                      Multi part series on The origin of Allah Part 1
                      The God of the Old Testament is known as YHWH or, when pointed with the correct vowels, Yahweh. This translates as “The Self-Existent One”, being derived from the Hebrew háwáh, meaning “to exist”. As Allah is the name of God on the Muslim Holy Scriptures, the Koran (or Quran), so Yahweh is the Name of God in the Hebrew Scriptures, the Bible.
                      What is particularly interesting and significant is the fact that Yahweh never appears as the name of of any deity outside the Bible. There is no record anywhere of any other tribe or religion which worshiped Yahweh. The Hebrew Name of God is unique to the Bible and its chosen people. From this alone we may deduce that the Name “Yahweh” was not borrowed from some other culture or religion. It emerged uniquely within the Bible revelation.
                      It is claimed by Muslims that Allah is the God of the Bible and that he is mentioned in the sacred texts. This is absolutely not true. The name “Allah” does not appear once in either the Old or New Testaments. The only time God is referred to by name in the Old Testament is either as YAHWEH (meaning “He (who) is”) or as a contraction, YAH.
                      Since we are discussing something sacred and I would not wish to offend anyone I would like to note now:
                      ** Please note that the name “Jehovah” is not a biblical name of God but was especially ‘created’ by Jews afraid to pronounce the Sacred Name by combining the consonants YHWH with the vowels from adonai, meaning “Lord”. **
                      It’s important when discussing the name of a God of any people we do so accurately. I hope so far I have not offended with truth as accurately as I can tell it.
                      The word Allah does exist in Hebrew but it is not a proper name and it never refers to God. Depending on sentence structure, vowel placement and context within a sentence Allah would mean in Hebrew one of the three things below:
                      . (a) to curse, swear, or adjure;
                      . (b) to lament (weep);
                      . (c) to arise, ascend, climb, go away, leap, etc..
                      Again for the purpose of accuracy and truth I wish to note the following:
                      ** Please note it is an indisputable “fact” that ALLAH does not appear even once as the Name of God, or even of a man, in the Hebrew Scriptures which have written copies dating back a thousand years or more BEFORE Islam was even a concept. **
                      ** Further note: There is no word ‘alah’ or ‘allah’ in the Greek New Testament at all. The Greek new testament is also 100s of years older than the formation or birth of Islam as even a concept. Mohamed had not been born and wouldn’t be born for another several hundred years. **
                      It was, quite simply, unknown in the Biblical world. To therefore claim that ‘Allah’ was the name of God in the Bible is without one single shred of evidence. God has always been known as Yahweh, or (much less frequently) by the contraction Yah. The only names of God in the Hebrew language are as follows.
                      Another important note are the names Jews call God and have since the times of Abraham.
                      ** The name of God in Judaism used most often in the Hebrew Bible is the four-letter name יהוה (YHWH), also known as the Tetragrammaton. El (god), Elohim (god, singular and plural form, depending on the context), El Shaddai(god almighty), Adonai (master), Elyon (highest) and Avinu (our father) are regarded by many religious Jews not as names, but as epithets or titles highlighting different aspects and ‘roles’ of God.
                      It is common Jewish practice to restrict the use of the word Adonai to prayer only. In conversation, some Jewish people, even when not speaking Hebrew, will call God HaShem, השם, which is Hebrew for “the Name” (this appears in Leviticus 24:11). Some religious Jews extend this prohibition to some of the other names listed below, and will add additional sounds to alter the pronunciation of a name when using it outside of a liturgical context, such as replacing the “h” or “e” or “d” with a “k” in names of God such as “kel” and “eloki’m” and “shakai”.
                      While other names of God in Judaism are generally restricted to use in a liturgical context, HaShem is used in more casual circumstances. HaShem is used by some Orthodox Jews so as to avoid saying Adonai outside of a ritual context. For example, when some Orthodox Jews make audio recordings of prayer services, they generally substitute HaShem for Adonai; a few others have used Amonai. On some occasions, similar sounds are used for authenticity, as in the movie Ushpizin, where Abonai Elokenu [sic] is used throughout.
                      There are a few more I will discuss below Eloah and Elah. Neither translates to or sounds like Allah. And both are simple derivatives of El and Elohim. Both only simply means God which can be used to describe any religions god. There are many Gods and many faiths and these two words are often used in defining the false gods. **
                      Ok that marked the end of a large note so let’s continue.
                      Now that we know all or most of the names Jews will call God (Though he has only one NAME as proper and given in the bible Yahweh which is on occasion shortened to Yah.) we can also see where Christians hold true to the name of God. Since they got the names from Jesus who by the way was also a Jew.
                      Muslim scholars have gone to great lengths to try and prove that the Arabic “Allah” is, in fact, the same as the Hebrew “Eloah”, which is not a proper name and simply translates as “God”. The words “El” and “Elohim” also translate the same way, appear far more numerously than Eloah, and may be used to designate either the true God, pagan deities, idols, or even human judges.
                      It is for this reason that I have heard Muslim apologists get annoyed when other Muslims talk about “God” instead of “Allah” because the word “God” can be applied to any religion’s god. They recognize that Allah is a proper name which distinguishes the God of the Muslims from the God of the Jews and Christians, or the gods of the Hindus and others. “Eloah” is, in any case, a derivative of “El” and its plural “Elohim” which doesn’t remotely sound like or translate to “Allah”.
                      You will not find many (if any) Muslims insisting that they worship the Hebrew Eloah – the only time they ever try to make a connection is when trying to recruit Jews and Christians to Islam. If I were confess that “Eloah” were my God and that Mohammed was his prophet I doubt any Muslim would believe I had converted to Islam!
                      There is another El-derived word for “God” in the Old Testament which sounds similar to Allah and that is Elah. It is only used by the prophets Ezra, Daniel and once by Jeremiah. It is, again, not a proper name, and actually also means an “oak tree” and was thus also used by pagans as a title for their tree deities, i.e. idols. I doubt somehow that Muslims would wish their Allah to be associated with an idol.
                      Even if the Muslim scholars were right about “Eloah” (which the evidence strongly repudiates) we would then be faced with the problem that God has two proper names – Yahweh and Eloah/Allah – which contradicts God’s own testimony in the Old Testament that He is only known as Yahweh.
                      The Name Yahweh is enshrined in the Third Commandment:
                      Thou shalt not take the Name of Yahweh thy Elohim [God] in vain” (Ex.20:7)
                      The word “vain” is the Hebrew shoaw, meaning “to rush over, to bring devastation, uselessness, or ruin”. In other words, this is THE Sacred Name above all names. This Name is not to be blasphemed (Lev.24:16) or desecrated. It is to be treated with reverential awe because it is the essence of the True God Himself.
                      More on the name of God and modern religion in part 2

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                      Comment by Michelle Styles — August 22, 2018 @ 13:56

                    • Love it so far Michelle, very informative. Hugs


                      Comment by Scottie — August 22, 2018 @ 14:08

                    • Today’s post will be a little short but it will wrap up part 1 nicely. All this comes from extensive study and reading of the Holy Bible (several versions), The Torah, The Talmud, and The Quran. It comes from speaking with people who know and live the faiths or have known and lived the faiths. It comes from a place of knowledge and respect for the truth. I hope it’s taken in that fashion as simple truth.
                      The Catholics and most Protestants have blasphemed this Name by changing it to “Jehovah” which translated “God is perverse” by mutilating it (as described above). There is even a whole church called the “Jehovah’s Witnesses” which uses this disgusting name. The Bible teaches from cover to cover that the true Name of God, Yahweh, is essential to salvation. It is mentioned right at the beginning of the Bible and is used throughout.
                      Yahweh is the creator “who made the earth and the heavens” (Gen.2:4).
                      One thing most Muslims and Christians are ignorant of is that the Name of the True God appears within the Name of Jesus. Most Christians are rather embarrassed to learn that “Jesus” isn’t the real Name of Christ at all. If you had asked someone in New Testament times who “Jesus” was, nobody would have known. If you had asked Mary (Miryam) is she had a son called “Jesus” she would have stared at you blankly. The son of Mary was not called “Jesus” but Yah’shua.
                      Jesus is a Greek word. The letter “J” doesn’t even exist in Hebrew. Yet the angel Gabriel told Mary/Miriyam that the Messiah’s Name, which was given by Almighty God Himself, was of special significance. It has a precise meaning of prophetic importance. Gabriel said that He would receive this Name because “He shall save His people from their sins”. Every Hebrew scholar will tell you that the Name given through Gabriel was Y’SHUA or YAH’SHUA. Literally translated this means, “YAH saves” – and you should remember from part 1 that Yah is a contraction of Yahweh.
                      You see, God’s true Name was even preserved in the Name of the Messiah because it is YAH / Yahweh – who saves. The Name of “Jesus” was “YAHWEH SAVES”.
                      The Scriptures are therefore consistent not only in preserving the true Name of God, Yahweh, throughout, but in placing the Sacred Name in the Messiah as well. This is no accident and is of immense prophetic significance.
                      There are now millions of believers who now no longer use the perverse name “Jehovah” and who use the correct name of Jesus, Yah’shua, in order to be true to the Scriptures. Christians have been guilty of obscuring the truth by adopting perverted or Hellenised Names of Deity.
                      What has this to do with our discussion of Allah? The reason I have spent so much time underscoring the Biblical Name of God is to show clearly and finally that it has been known as Yahweh since the beginning of time. More than 4,000 years of the Herbrew calendar Yahweh has been the only name of God.
                      Even in Lakota his “Name” is Iye Tuwe opi’ic’iye (He who exists). It refers to a self existents and recognizes his sole name. It would be rarely spoken as a child rarely calls her father by his name. We normally call him tunkasila (The great spirit). This is similar to Adonai for the Hebrews. It means the one god, the great spirit who has always been.
                      It shows reverence for his eternal nature. I call him niyate ki (Father) because he is personal to me and is my heavenly father deserving of my admiration and love. The names mean the same and have existed for thousands of years.
                      And whilst there are certain superficial similarities in sound to the Arabic “Allah” the meaning and historical origin is quite, quite different.
                      Unlike Lakota, Hebrew and English where god is named the one who always exists. Arabic is not the same. The word “Allah” comes from the compound Arabic word, al-ilah. Al is the definite article “the” and ilah is an Arabic word for “god”, i.e. the god.
                      We see immediately that:
                      . (a) this is not a proper name but a generic name rather like the Hebrew El (which as we have seen was used of any deity
                      . (b) that Allah is not a foreign word (as it would have been if it had been borrowed from the Hebrew Bible) but a purely Arabic one.
                      It would also be wrong to compare “Allah” with the Hebrew or Greek for God (El and Theos, respectively), because “Allah” is purely an Arabic term used exclusively in reference to an Arabic deity. Arabic changes the meaning of Gods name which is unlike Lakota, Greek, Hebrew where the word for the name changes the meaning does not.
                      The Encyclopedia of Religion says: “‘Allah’ is a pre-Islamic name … corresponding to the Baylonian Bel” (ed. James Hastings, Edinburgh, T. & T. Clark, 1908, I:326).
                      So this was a short one today. In the next articular we will cover the origin of the name Allah and it’s actual roots.

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                      Comment by Michelle Styles — August 22, 2018 @ 13:57

                    • Hello Michelle. Great explanation and lots of info. Thank you. I have a question for what you get time. To preface it let me say I know little of the spirituality of the Native People except that it was very important to them and they held their ancestors in deep regard. For what I have heard here and there I admire their spiritual nature. How does one reconcile the beliefs of the Native People and their generous spiritual nature with what seems the ruthless and pettiness of the God of the Old Testament ( who never changes ) and with YAH’SHUA who while preaching a slightly nicer version of God, was a Jewish person and proclaimed the Jewish religion with all is cruelty as truth? I ask because the little I know and heard of the native beliefs is very uplifting, soothing, and I find the Abraham gods as angry, mean spirited, and vicious.

                      Thanks again for the information, I enjoyed reading it and learning something I did not know. Best to you and your family. Hugs


                      Comment by Scottie — August 22, 2018 @ 14:25

                    • Simple. My god is not their god. The name means about the same but they are different. My people never needed a Jesus to come and tell us we were doing it wrong. We worshiped by every action. We preserved his nature, his energy and we honored his creation and people. So we didn’t have huge wars, kill millions of people because we knew life was sacred. So I can’t justify the bible god. I can easily justify my god, my spirit father. My god has always held me in kindness and he created all but gave us a freedom to make our path. That freedom isn’t perfect if he dictates and controls and punishes for disobedience. So I know mans actions are only mans and god nolonger acts in the affairs of the world except to watch and when we die accept our energy back. We are after all merely his initial energy just as all living things are. 🙂

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                      Comment by Michelle Styles — August 22, 2018 @ 14:34

                    • Thanks Michelle. I am still reading your other comments and digesting them. I was wondering because I have hear that many Native People were forced into Christianity in the past and some still follow it. And as you said the two are not really compatible. I am enjoying the class you are giving in these comments. I love to learn, even if it takes me a while to read it all. Hugs


                      Comment by Scottie — August 22, 2018 @ 14:49

                    • I can post the last two parts if you want them later 🙂

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                      Comment by Michelle Styles — August 22, 2018 @ 14:59

                    • I can only answer for me, you can post them any time you have free. I am putting things on hold until I read everything you wrote and absorb it.

                      As for Amanda only she can say if she wants more of the info, and at what speed she is processing the stuff you already wrote.

                      Again thank you for this information. I admire how you can recall and deliver it so clearly. Hugs


                      Comment by Scottie — August 22, 2018 @ 15:47

                • I did a whole thesis on Islam and where Allah comes from

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                  Comment by Michelle Styles — August 22, 2018 @ 11:49

                  • So you’re familiar with the Islamic punishment for homosexuality then?


                    Comment by Amanda — August 22, 2018 @ 12:30

                    • Mine was on Islam origins. It is not based on Christianity nor the Bible. In 1600s to entice christians they introduced Jesus as a prophet but lesser than Mohammed. For 800 years Islam has no mention of Christianity as roots until it became clear they couldn’t exand outside the middle East without embracing Christian ideology. So they invented the ties to lure Christian’s I’m.

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                      Comment by Michelle Styles — August 22, 2018 @ 12:43

                • So today I will cover only the facts demonstrating Allah existed before the Quran. We will only cover the name Allah and it’s roots and original meaning.
                  I know that Muslims will find this hard to believe so I am now going to make many citations and present the archaeological evidence to prove conclusively and without doubt that is true.
                  Though this data will be painful for many of my readers, it is necessary to face the truth. Facts are facts, and unless you are willing to desert all logic, all reason and all common sense, as well as the evidence before your eyes, they must be faced as what they are facts!
                  1 “Allah is found … in Arabic inscriptions prior to Islam” (Encyclopedia Britannica, I:643)
                  2 “The Arabs, before the time of Mohammed, accepted and worshiped, after a fashion, a supreme god called allah” (Encyclopedia of Islam, eds. Houtsma, Arnold, Basset, Hartman; Leiden: E.J.Brill, 1913, I:302)
                  3 “Allah was known to the pre-Islamic Arabs; he was one of the Meccan deities” (Encyclopedia of Islam, ed. Gibb, I:406)
                  4 “Ilah … appears in pre-Islamic poetry … By frequency of usage, al-ilah was contracted to allah, frequently attested to in pre-Islamic poetry” (Encyclopedia of Islam, eds. Lewis, Menage, Pellat, Schacht; Leiden: E.J.Brill, 1971, III:1093)
                  5 “The name Allah goes back before Muhammed” (Encyclopedia of World Mythology and Legend, “The Facts on File”, ed. Anthony Mercatante, New York, 1983, I:41)
                  6 The origin of this (Allah) goes back to pre-Muslim times. Allah is not a common name meaning “God” (or a “god”), and the Muslim must use another word or form if he wishes to indicate any other than his own peculiar deity” (Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics, ed. James Hastings, Edinburgh: T & T Clark, 1908, I:326)
                  Scholar Henry Preserved Smith of Harvard University stated:
                  “Allah was already known by name to the Arabs” (The Bible and Islam: or, the Influence of the Old and New Testament on the Religion of Mohammed, New York: Charles Scribner’s Sons, 1897, p.102)
                  Dr. Kenneth Cragg, former editor of the prestigious scholarly journal Muslim World and an outstanding modern Western Islamic scholar, whose works were generally published by Oxford University, comments:
                  “The name Allah is also evident in archaeological and literary remains of pre-Islamic Arabia” (The Call of the Minaret, New York: OUP, 1956, p.31)
                  Dr. W. Montgomery Watt, who was Professor of Arabic and Islamic Studies at Edinburgh University and Visiting Professor of Islamic Studies at College de France, Georgetown University, and the University of Toronto, has done extensive work on the pre-Islamic concept of Allah. He concludes:
                  “In recent years I have become increasingly convinced that for an adequate understanding of the career of Muhammad and the origins of Islam great importance must be attached to the existence in Mecca of belief in Allah as a “high god”. In a sense this is a form of paganism, but it is so different from paganism as commonly understood that it deserves separate treatment” (Mohammad’s Mecca, p.vii. See also his article, “Belief in a High God in pre-Islamic Mecca”, Journal of Scientific Semitic Studies, vol.16, 1971, pp.35-40)
                  Caesar Farah in his book on Islam concludes his discussion of the pre-Islamic meaning of Allah by saying.
                  “There is no reason, therefore, to accept the idea that Allah passed to the Muslims from the Christians and Jews” (Islam: Beliefs and Observations, New York: Barrons, 1987, p.28)
                  According to Middle East scholar E.M.Wherry, whose translation of the Koran is still used today, in pre-Islamic times Allah-worship, as well as the worship of Baal, were both astral religions in that they involved the worship of the sun, the moon, and the stars (A Comprehensive Commentary on the Quran, Osnabrück: Otto Zeller Verlag, 1973, p.36).
                  “In ancient Arabia, the sun-god was viewed as a female goddess and the moon as the male god. As has been pointed out by many scholars as Alfred Guilluame, the moon god was called by various names, one of which was Allah (op.cit., Islam, p.7)
                  “The name Allah was used as the personal name of the moon god, in addition to the other titles that could be given to him.
                  “Allah, the moon god, was married to the sun goddess. Together they produced three goddesses who were called ‘the daughters of Allah’. These three goddesses were called Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat.
                  “The daughters of Allah, along with Allah and the sun goddess were viewed as “high” gods. That is, they were viewed as being at the top of the pantheon of Arabian deities” (Robert Morey, The Islamic Invasion, Eugene, Oregon, Harvest House Publishers, 1977, pp.50-51).
                  The Encyclopedia of World Mythology and Legend records:
                  “Along with Allah, however, they worshipped a host of lesser gods and “daughters of Allah” (op.cit., I:61).
                  It’s now been been established the existence of Allah in the Arabian continent pre-Muslim faith and even pre-Arabia. We have established it is not even close to a translation of Gods name from Hebrew.
                  In the next part we will establish more on the origin of Allah.

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                  Comment by Michelle Styles — August 22, 2018 @ 14:00

                  • So we’ve now established that:
                    . (1) The Jewish God Yahweh does not appear in any other culture nor any faith except Christianity which is founded entirely upon the backs of the Jewish faith.
                    . (2) We have determined Allah was an ancient God, one among many prior to and during the rise of Islam.
                    . (3) We have determined Allah was home in mecca and it was common to pray several times a day toward Mecca long before Islam in the Arabian peninsula.
                    . (4) Archaeology and history do not support the claim that Allah is Yahweh.
                    . (5) The name Yahweh and the word Allah do not mean the same nor anywhere near the same in Hebrew.
                    . (6) The meaning of Yahweh and Allah are not the same either so it’s not a translation.
                    It is a well known fact archaeologically speaking that the crescent moon was the symbol of worship of the moon god both in Arabia and throughout the Middle East in pre-Islamic times. Archaeologists have excavated numerous statues and hieroglyphic inscriptions in which a crescent moon was seated on the top of the head of the deity to symbolize the worship of the moon-god. Interestingly, whilst the moon was generally worshipped as a female deity in the Ancient Near East, the Arabs viewed it as a male deity.
                    In Mesopotamia the Sumerian god Nanna, named Sîn by the Akkadians, was worshipped in particular in Ur, where he was the chief god of the city, and also in the city of Harran in Syria, which had close religious links with Ur. The Ugaritic texts have shown that there a moon deity was worshipped under the name yrh. On the monuments the god is represented by the symbol of the crescent moon. At Hazor in Palestine a small Canaanite shrine of the late Bronze Age was discovered which contained a basalt stele depicting two hands lifted as if in prayer to a crescent moon, indicating that the shrine was dedicated to the moon god.
                    The worship of stellar deities, instead of Yahweh, was always a temptation faced by the Israelites (Dt.4:19; Jer.7:18; Am.5:26; Ac.7:43). But Yahweh is at the zennith of the heavens (Job 22:12).
                    “The Quraysh tribe into which Mohammad was born was particularly devoted to Allah, the moon god, and especially to Allah’s three daughters who were viewed as intercessors between the people and Allah.
                    “The worship of the three goddesses, Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat, played a significant rôle in the worship at the Kabah in Mecca. The first two daughters of Allah had names which were feminine forms of Allah.
                    “The literal Arabic name of Muhammad’s father was Abd-Allah. His uncle’s name was Obied-Allah. These names reveal the personal devotion that Muhammad’s pagan family had to the worship of Allah, the moon god” (op.cit., Morey, p.51).
                    History proves conclusively that before Islam came into existence, the Sabbeans in Arabia worshipped the moon-god Allah who was married to the sun-goddess. We have also seen that it was a matter of common practice to use the name of the moon-god in personal names in Muhammad’s tribe. That Allah was a pagan deity in pre-Islamic times is incontestable. And so we must ask ourselves the question: why was Muhammad’s God named after a pagan deity in his own tribe?
                    It is an undeniable fact that an Allah idol was set up at the Kabah along with all the other idols of the time. The pagans prayed towards Mecca and the Kabah because that is where their gods were stationed. It made sense to them to face in the direction of their god and pray since that is where he was. Since the idol of their moon god, Allah, was at Mecca, they prayed towards Mecca.
                    As we have seen, and as is acknowledged among-st all scholars of Middle Eastern religious history, the worship of the moon-god extended far beyond Allah-worship in Arabia. The entire fertile crescent was involved in moon-worship. The data falls neatly in place and we are able therefore to understand, in part, the early success Islam had among-st Arab groups that had traditionally worshiped Allak, the moon-god. We can also understand that the use of the crescent moon as the symbol of Islam, and which appears on dozens of flags of Islamic nations in Asia and Africa, and surmounts minerets and mosque roofs, is a throwback to the days when Allah was worshiped as the moon-god in Mecca.
                    Educated Muslims understand these facts only too well – better, in fact, than most Christians. Robert Morey recalls a conversation he once had:
                    “During one trip to Washington DC I got involved in a conversation with a Muslim tax driver from Iran. When I asked him, ‘Where did Islam obtain its symbol of the crescent moon?’ he responded that it was an ancient pagan symbol used throughout the Middle East and that adopting this symbol had helped Muslims to convert people throughout the Middle East. When I pointed out that the word Allah itself was used by the moon-god cult in pre-Islamic Arabia, he agreed that this was the case. I then pointed out that the religion and the Quran of Muhammad could be explained in terms of pre-Islamic culture, customs, and religious ideas. He agreed with this! He went on to explain that he was a university-educated Muslim who, at this point in his life, was attempting to understand Islam from a scholarly viewpoint. As a result, he had lost his faith in Islam. The significance of the pre-Islamic source of the name Allah cannot be overestimated” (op.cit., pp.52-53).
                    What is particularly interesting to me personally is seeing the parallels between the evolution of Islam and the Roman Catholic Church, both of which absorbed pagan ideas in order to make converts. Muhammad was not alone in his plagiarism of other religions. Bogus “Christian” churches have done it too. Those naming the Name of Christ must accept responsibility for similar things.
                    If there is one thing that has been abundantly clear in my study of comparative religions it is this: all the major religions have different concepts of deity. Yahweh, Allah, Vishnu and Buddha are absolutely not the same. In other words, all religions do not worship the same God, only under different names.
                    That is why the use of the word “God” in describing deity is so inadequate and why we must return to the names of these deities to discover what they actually mean in terms of personality and attributes. Ignoring the essential differences which divide world religions is an insult to the uniqueness of world religions.
                    Yahweh, the God of the Bible, is not Allah the god of the Koran, is not Vishnu the god of the Vedas, is not the god of the Buddhists, etc.. As we shall see in a later posts, there are fundamental differences between Yahweh and Allah in terms of personal attributes, theology, morals, ethics, soteriology, eschatology, theocracy, and in almost every other respect. They represent two different spiritual worlds. And when we discover even more of the nature of Yahweh through the revelation of Yah’shua (Jesus) we see that the gap between the Bible and the Koran is even wider.
                    I shall conclude this series with more evidence concerning the true origin of the deity which has been incorporated into Islam as Allah.
                    In the next post we will explore more on Archaeology and the Moon-Gold Allah.

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                    Comment by Michelle Styles — August 22, 2018 @ 14:05

                    • Shall I go on? I can prove via history, literature, archaeology, theology ect that Allah is not the god of the Bible and the bible is not the basis of Islam. But I do not enjoy trashing other people for ignorance because they believe what they are told and spew them as facts when they are not supported by REAL facts. Please you tell me educate myself? I say hello pot, it’s kettle. Time you took a serious look at your incorrect facts.

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                      Comment by Michelle Styles — August 22, 2018 @ 14:07

                    • Michelle you are a very smart lady. That is a lot of research. To be able to recall that much information in detail is a grand skill.

                      It would make sense to me that Mohammad would draw on his back ground religious knowledge to create the new version as he felt it should be, as that is what the writers of the New Testament did building on the old testament. In a way we all do that , we build our today based on our yesterdays. Hugs


                      Comment by Scottie — August 22, 2018 @ 15:15

                    • Why thank you. 🙂 It was all pretty much part of my thesis i wrote so most is copy paste tbh

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                      Comment by Michelle Styles — August 22, 2018 @ 15:23

                    • You have many talents, a special lady. Hugs


                      Comment by Scottie — August 22, 2018 @ 15:49

                  • Actually I was not referring to Allah I was referring to Muhammad, the founder of Islam. The Quran itself is most definitely supposed to be the final evolution after Christianity, like the next chapter of it.


                    Comment by Amanda — August 22, 2018 @ 14:36

                    • You obviously have not finished reading. It never was and never will be an extension of the bible. It was never intended to be. Read, enlighten yourself…

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                      Comment by Michelle Styles — August 22, 2018 @ 14:38

                    • So why did Muhammad claim to be the final prophet after Abraham and Jesus if he didn’t think those were real prophets ?


                      Comment by Amanda — August 22, 2018 @ 14:40

                    • He claimed to be the Prophet of Allah the one god. Allah was his god as a boy the god of his father, his uncle and his people. Allah was the moon god. Al-llah = the god. Not a very fitting name for anyone one. He never claimed to be the prophet of the god of Abraham. If he did the name Yahweh YHWH would be used. because a name is a name in any language. My english name is Michelle weather it is said in English, Lakota or Japanese it is the same name.

                      You haavent read a word or you’d already have that answer… /smdh

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                      Comment by Michelle Styles — August 22, 2018 @ 14:57

                    • But what I was trying to point out was that, in order to convert the Christians (which were mostly what surrounded him at the time), Muhammad had to claim prophecy in relation to Christianity so that people would follow him. The point being that violence against homosexuals is just a commonality both religions happen to agree on for the sake of keeping tradition.


                      Comment by Amanda — August 22, 2018 @ 16:36

                    • And no. Mohammed never intended Allah to be associated with the Christian god. You have not listened. The idea of Jesus was introduced to Islam in the 1400s more than 600 years after Mohamed death. Read. Allah was the moon good who lived in Mecca. Wow the Christian god lives in heaven not on this planet. Totally different dieties and foundinga and totally incompatible diapitw what was introduced 600 years later to try and bring them together with Christians.

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                      Comment by Michelle Styles — August 23, 2018 @ 11:24

                    • Here is the fatal flaws in your argument.
                      1) How can you have a version 2.0 and ignore v1.0 in it’s design and name?
                      Allah is NOT the name of god and never has been in Hebrew. VChristians created 2.0 from Jews in including the Old testament. The Torah is included in the bible. In the Quran neither old NOR new testament is found in the “Quran”
                      2) Jesus and the bible was not introduced as “a natural” evolution to Islam until 600 years after Mohammed died.
                      3) Mohammed worshiped Allah the moon god, the high god, the one god of all Sumerian and Babylonian gods.

                      Your argument from the start is flawed and wrong. Please actually read then try and answer with intelligence.

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                      Comment by Michelle Styles — August 22, 2018 @ 14:44

                    • I think your 2nd point is really important. It shows Mohammed did not think of the bible as a prequel to the Koran as it was in his time. Hugs


                      Comment by Scottie — August 22, 2018 @ 15:33

                  • And ultimately, the point here was that Islam penalizes homosexuality equally to Christianity, and all you need to look at to know this is the Quran.


                    Comment by Amanda — August 22, 2018 @ 14:38

                    • Amanda not to be pedantic but you wrote “Islam is actually based heavily on Christianity.” Which Michelle has proven clearly is not the truth. Michelle has studied this, and I think we should accept her studies as we have only a slight layman’s dealing with the subject.

                      Second you are changing what you were claiming. You were claiming that Islam was more violent and anti-gay than Christianity. That is the reverse of what you just wrote. I was the one who said they were equal, and then when I looked it up found that scholars find the bible more violent than the Koran.


                      Comment by Scottie — August 22, 2018 @ 15:29

                    • She can also review my references which are many. These references are scholars and recognized experts in this area. History, archaeology and scholars on the subject agree with what I’ve written and cited. So not just my word but the word and facts of these as well.

                      🙂 hugs

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                      Comment by Michelle Styles — August 22, 2018 @ 15:36

                    • Yes it is nice you gave the sources. I am willing to accept the information as I know you to be trustworthy and know what you talk about. You are not one to go off spouting something that you did not have some familiarity with. Give my best to the family. Drop me a note to let me know how your children are doing. Hugs


                      Comment by Scottie — August 22, 2018 @ 15:52

                  • Great info. So before Mohammad the Arab world was more like the Roman in that they had more than one deity and ranks of deities. Paganism which means multiple gods as I understand it? And so like with the Roman empire it changed to be a monolithic god rather than many. That interest me as if I understand it correctly that it was common to have many gods and a single god was introduced by the Jewish people. Even the bible OT reads that there were other gods, one reason the first commandment was to have no other god before Yahweh.

                    I need to find time to look some of this stuff up as it is very interesting history. It is how we came to think the things we accept today as normal. Be well. I am off to read what you just sent. Hugs


                    Comment by Scottie — August 22, 2018 @ 15:01

                    • You understand perfectly.
                      Sad I am neither Jew, nor christian, nor Muslim and I know their faiths better than most…lol

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                      Comment by Michelle Styles — August 22, 2018 @ 15:04

      • Christian Pastor Kevin Swanson, who advocates killing gays. (Huckabee, Jindal, and Cruz attended his ‘Freedom 2015′ knowing this.)
        Or televangelist Ben Bailey of the “Gospel of Christ’ TV program preaching God commands Christians to stone gays and prevent women from teaching.
        Or Baptist Pastor Roger Jimenez telling his congregation the Orlando massacre was “great” and “helps society.”
        Or Pastor Donnie Romero of Stedfast Baptist Church agreeing 100 percent with Romero. Romero advocates the death penalty for gays.
        Or Steven Anderson of Tempe’s Faithful Word Baptist Church applauding the Orlando massacre and calling for the death of all gays.
        Or Pastor Curtis Knapp of New Hope Baptist Church in Seneca, Kansas, who wants the government to put gays to death.
        Or Jeff Smith, Emmanuel Baptist Church in Florida who equates homosexuals with serial killers, rapists, and child molesters.
        Or Pastor and Republican Andy Gipson in Georgia whose Facebook rants include saying gays, according to Leviticus, “are to be put to death.”
        Or Lake Independent Baptist Church Pastor Dennis Leatherman’s fifty-minute sermon titled ,“Homosexuality and the Bible,” where he describes his struggle not to kill gays.

        Want more? I got more!

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        Comment by Michelle Styles — November 27, 2018 @ 14:04

        • Michelle your list sends chills down my spine and reminds me how important this argument is. Thank you. I think I need to step up my game. Hugs


          Comment by Scottie — November 27, 2018 @ 16:40

  3. And now you know why priests prefer children. If they came out as gay they get fired. If they rape little boys then they aren’t gay for same sex anything. No they’re just pedophiles. The bible must say nothing about pedophiles, oh wait it does..”What so ever you do to the least of my children, that you do unto me.” Maybe they think it’s divine sex?


    They ran Sarah and me out of church and told us NEVER to come back! They said we were abominations against god. Now I understand…lol

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    Comment by Michelle Styles — August 21, 2018 @ 15:03

    • I am sorry they ran you ladies out of church, you shouldn’t have been judged on your sexual orientation. You both are nice people. Bill Donohue of the Catholic defense league is trying hard to shift attention from the church on this. He is claiming first it was not all little boys, most were teens. That seems to make it better for him. He followed that up with “see this is a gay problem because they were after boys. The last thing he cried out was it is not rape because not all of the them were penetrated. Sick man. He forgot about all the girls, and he forgets sexual abuse is more about power and opportunity than sex. The priest had more power and more opportunity to satisfy themselves with boys than girls , but they still managed to get both sexes. But the song is out there now, it is gay priests that are the problem, not the culture of the church and it’s demand of celibacy / crazy phobias about normal sex. My view if priest and nuns were able to express themselves sexually in a normal manner with out the religious baggage guilt tripping them, it would cut the child abuse to almost nothing. Still going to have a few sickos but the rest wouldn’t be covering for them.

      As Dan Savage says, if clowns abused as many children as priest, it would illegal to take children to a circus.

      Be well. Thanks for stopping by. Hugs


      Comment by Scottie — August 21, 2018 @ 15:37

  4. Dear Scottie, I just found an amazing thing. This Christian page on Instagram sent me a message asking, “whether I know if I’ll go to heaven?”, My reply was a big yes.
    He then further said some stuff and then told me that they consider Jesus as God as in that Jesus is God. Like, what? Further he started explaining and everything, but I saw so many flaws. I contacted my Christian friend and told her about it. I shared the page with her and she textex the man herself. She considered it hocus pocus too as she said that she has read that version of bible too and that it says no such thing. The sadest part was that while the page owner was telling me about his beliefs that Jesus is God, in defence I told him what my view was about it. He just asked me to be quite and listen to him. It was like as if he was forcing his religion upon me. All of a sudden, I felt so suffocated and irritated that I just said that I want to know no more. My friend on the other hand, tried to prove him that he is not right about Jesus being God, but the page owners reaction was to block her.

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    Comment by Manahil — November 22, 2018 @ 23:10

    • Many people are not able to talk about religion with out getting angry or trying to force others to suddenly believe what they do. I have run into this also. He was not interested in a conversation with you, he wanted a convert. Some people believe they get credit or rewarded for bringing in people to the religion. The more converts they can get to join up, the more their god will reward them. They claim they are doing it to “help” the ones they get to join, but in truth it is a selfish motive to get themselves a bigger reward. The reason you and I are able to talk about religions is that neither of us want to convert the other. Neither of us demands the other accept our view. I wish more people were like that, there would be less problems.

      Be well and take care. We had a holiday here in the US yesterday. Do you have any holidays around this time of year? Do you celebrate any end of year things? Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — November 23, 2018 @ 09:01

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