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September 30, 2018

Creating Islam

Filed under: Atheism, Cartoons, Memes, Questions, Reason, Religion — Scottie @ 10:32

Happy International Blasphemy Day.

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  1. This could just as easily be Christianity

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    Comment by maryplumbago — September 30, 2018 @ 12:50

    • Yes it could. Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — September 30, 2018 @ 15:18

    • Christianity and Islam are made from basically the same poisonous ingredients and recipe. Only the seasonings are different. And the only reason Christianity has become less toxic is that people in the West have learned to take it in a much diluted form.

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      Comment by Infidel753 — September 30, 2018 @ 19:30

      • Yes ! So well said. But about your point about Christianity being less toxic. I live in south west Florida. My main religious threat is from fundamental Christians. Yes they assault and harm gay people, and claim it is because god hates us. Why are the more of a threat than Islam that also has hate toward gays and wants them put to death? Because Islam is not so prominent here. Islam doesn’t have the assumption of privilege that Christianity has. So Muslims don’t push for their religion made into laws like Christians do. Also Islam doesn’t have the support system that fundamentalist Christians do. So as I tell people, the religion most at a threat to me here in the USA is Christianity, not Islam. Every time I write this people say “oh Islam throws people like you off of tall buildings”. Yes they do, but not here in the USA. Then they go on to tell me how much Islam hates gays, and I remind them of the Phelps clan and their God hates fags web site and protests against gays. Heck Matt Powell a 22 your old independent baptist declared in a video that the government should put gays, and also dissonant children, to death because that is what the bible says to do. Hugs

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        Comment by Scottie — September 30, 2018 @ 19:44

  2. Great cartoon, especially on International Blasphemy Day! I’m surprised I hadn’t seen this one before.

    He’s cooking up a pretty big pot — but billions have been “served” with that poison over the last 14 centuries.

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    Comment by Infidel753 — September 30, 2018 @ 18:48

    • And that is scary. I wonder if there were no blaspheme laws would Islam be so strong anywhere? Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — September 30, 2018 @ 18:58

      • Religion in general can’t survive open challenge and debate. It depends on fear, enforced respect, and threats (like blasphemy laws) to survive.

        Islam is already being undermined to an enormous degree in the Middle East with the free access to information the internet makes possible. The Arabic translation of Dawkins’s The God Delusion has been downloaded there more then ten million times, for example, even though it’s banned in every Arab country.

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        Comment by Infidel753 — September 30, 2018 @ 19:29

        • I love it. The more religion gets shown for the weak thing it is , the more people can turn away from it, the better for society. Hugs

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          Comment by Scottie — September 30, 2018 @ 19:46

  3. This is a very dramatic and powerful cartoon.

    Is this your own work and if so would you be happy for other people to use it outside WordPress? I am thinking of making it into a placard to carry at demonstrations.

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    Comment by Islam Research Group — October 19, 2018 @ 02:19

  4. Look, this is wrong

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    Comment by Manahil — October 31, 2018 @ 10:49

  5. I think that you should have studied Islam before posting this. I can hopefully and rightfully prove all your concepts wrong and I’m sure that if you’re a little co-operative, you’ll get me

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    Comment by Manahil — October 31, 2018 @ 10:50

    • Sorry Manahil, but you can not. See there is no evidence of any deity of any faith. There for al the holy books are unsupported myths and fables. Just stories. If you want to follow a story I would suggest maybe the Harry Dresden or Harry Potter series. Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — October 31, 2018 @ 11:04

      • Even if you think it’s a story, I think it’s a very good one. One that is to be followed as it teaches us to be good and oppose bad and so much more..

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        Comment by Manahil — October 31, 2018 @ 11:10

        • I was following you until you got to “one that is to be followed…” It doesn’t really do that does it. No one has to follow it. Can if you want, just as long as in the US you respect the rights of others, including females. Also do follow the age of consent, marrying kids and having sex with children is not legal even though a lot of priests are doing the latter. The book has a very skewed version of good and bad, and that is the problem with it. Hugs

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          Comment by Scottie — October 31, 2018 @ 11:19

          • The book does say stuff like that, but we all know that when both men and women are of age, as in they reach puberty, they get desires and it is therefore, best to marry early rather than date and get involved in bad activities

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            Comment by Manahil — October 31, 2018 @ 11:54

            • NO!!! males and females are not of age when they hit puberty. That is child sexual abuse. Think of what you just wrote and tell me how you figure you and your book are good? Your statement is just rationalization and justification for using a child sexually. Bad activities? Dating is not equal to sexual activity and even if two consenting people of the SAME age do have sexual experiences that is not abuse, and not bad. Marrying off a 12 year old to a 30 year old is. Where do you live that you grew up thinking such a damn thing? I won’t tolerate anyone justifying sexual abuse of children by using a holy book. That makes the book definitely not holy. It also says the person using that idea is not a good person. Hugs

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              Comment by Scottie — October 31, 2018 @ 12:07

              • Islam does not promote child sexual abuse as two people are not to be forced into either marriage or religion. Sexual abuse of children is justified by Quran because of the people. They forced and linked it to Quran when it is not allowed to force anyone in Islam.

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                Comment by Manahil — October 31, 2018 @ 12:39

                • Manahil. Please remember what you wrote to me. You wrote when kids hit puberty it is better they are married off. That is abuse dude. I don’t care if it comes from the Koran or from a sick person who want to have sex with kids. No child going through puberty is ready for marriage, nor can they identfiy someone they want to live their life with. Heck most people in their 20’s can’t figure it out. It takes time, you have to grow up first, you have to date, you have to be free to have crushes and to fall out of love. It is normal sexuality and attraction.

                  By the way, so as not to be more insulting than necessary to you personally ( I will insult religion but not people unless they give me reason to do so. ) Do you prefer Quran or Koran as your holy book?
                  You seem to have a different view of your faith than most of your religion. Still you did write you thought it better for a child to marry than to date. Hugs

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                  Comment by Scottie — October 31, 2018 @ 12:46

                  • I have a muslim friend who dated, what did that friend get? Only betrayel and a broken heart. That is why I’m in favour of a person not dating and yes, dating does not include being physical. I said it is better if they marry as in Quran it is considered bad to be physical and if one gets desires there is also a need to fulfill them and if you want to fulfill them in the right way or Islamically then you should marry someone. The marriage is only permissible if it is by the consent of both the man and woman and not by force

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                    Comment by Manahil — October 31, 2018 @ 13:13

                    • A broken heart happens no matter if dating or not. How many people get married excitedly thinking they will be together forever and then get divorced. A broken heart? That is what dating is for , to see what you like and to meet other people. A one time broken heart won’t kill anyone, won’t even cause real harm. However it is much better to find out about betrayal by dating than by marriage.
                      Again if your holy book says kids getting married is better than having a bit of sex with each other then your book is very harmful and wrong. Marriage is not for kids. Desires can be taken care of natuerally through masterbution. It is a good thing and harms no one. If your religion tells you it is harmful, science has show your religion is wrong.

                      Manahil my problem is your holy book requires you to make bad choices and places you in a situation where if you follow the book it is harmful. Such as kids getting married and the mistreatment of LGBTQ people as well as not granting them equal rights. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — October 31, 2018 @ 13:24

                    • Yes, Islam does put you in difficult situations, but all these situations and problems also have a prescribed solution. It is allowed for kids to marry, it is not necessary. It is every person’s own choice. And no religion is perfect even if Islam claims to be perfect

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                      Comment by Manahil — October 31, 2018 @ 13:39

                    • The solution in the Koran may not be real solutions and are often not the best way to handle the problems. Sorry but it is the same with the bible. All these holy books have different solutions to the same problems. Which one you believe is correct is based only on which religion you are.

                      You do know that most people are of the religion of their parents and of the majority of the country they live in. IF you were in the India you would most likely be a Hindu. So how can one faith be right and all the others wrong if the one you follow is a chance of where you were born? Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — October 31, 2018 @ 13:46

                    • You’re right, but I actually considered myself as just a humanbeing with no religion. Then, I did a lot of research, read a little bit of bible got some information on hinduism too and then I just read Quran and everything very carefully and if I take it in a positive way, then I was able to accept it as my religion.

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                      Comment by Manahil — October 31, 2018 @ 13:54

                    • Do you need a religion? Do you need an organized ritual practice to be happy or to even have faith? You are a human being who was born with no religion. People tried to make you feel you needed one. You can be a moral good person with a faith and also without one. But I want those choices to be yours, just as I want them to be mine for myself. That is what freedom of religion and freedom from religion means. Too bad so many religious people can not grasp this and feel their god, their deity must be forced on everyone. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — October 31, 2018 @ 14:22

                    • In the past year, I learned that without guidance we are nothing. We know nothing and without guidance we are going to stumble and fall and might even die doing wrong. Without guidance we know nothing and Quran is a guidance. It is our own choice whether we follow it or not.

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                      Comment by Manahil — October 31, 2018 @ 14:46

                    • You are not nothing, you are a human being. You will find guidance in everything in life. Yes there are some good things in all holy books, but they also contain errors , falsehoods, and harmful practices. The people who wrote them did not know any better. We do. Our morals evolved and got better. I laugh at people who say without their god they would do harmful bad things like rape, steal , and kill. That says a lot about them. We learn our morals from our communities and our peers. Morals have evolved and grown as we humans have grown and evolved. We are social animals and so to live in groups we had to have empathy and care for each other. You know you do not want to be killed or have your stuff stolen so you won’t do it to others. Yes some people fail to have good behavior but that is exception , not the rule. Think of it this way. In history there was slavery. Not too long ago and still seems to be in some countries. But the deity of the Bible and the Koran doesn’t forbid it, and even tells how to treat slaves. We know slavery is wrong. You know it and so do I. We are more moral than those holy books. Because they were written by people of their times. That shows how moral evolve. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — October 31, 2018 @ 15:09

                    • The Quran does lay down rules regarding slaves and their treatment, but all those rules are good like, we are asked to treat them with kindness and provide them food and shelter and the Holy Prophet(PBUH) and his wives freed many slaves.

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                      Comment by Manahil — November 1, 2018 @ 03:39

                    • Manahil, the owning of a human by other humans is not moral in anyway, regardless of treatment. Humans are not property. You are not property, would you like to be owned by someone else, unable to have control over your own life? The idea that a deity couldn’t say hey how about not owning each other, while making rules for everything else is silly. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — November 1, 2018 @ 08:26

                    • Yes, humans shouldn’t own another human, but at that time, slavery was everywhere, even after wars there were many captives and slaves, but Muslims gave them freedom. Like, one of the rule for an educated slave was to teach 10 Muslim children and then the slave would be freed without any harm.

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                      Comment by Manahil — November 1, 2018 @ 23:35

                    • Manahil, first sorry for the delay this morning ( my time ) in getting back to you. I had a few projects to finish up. OK on to the comment.

                      You were correct with the fact that no human should own another. Period. Your deity gave a lot of rules, rules you say are good guidance for today. Is your god all knowing, all powerful, and omnipotent? If so he knows all things, including today , well as tomorrow, and in the past. If it is wrong morally to own someone today, it has always been wrong morally. It doesn’t matter if people did it, because your god gave rules about things they were doing he wanted them to stop doing. But he never said , hey don’t own people. Do not have slaves. The deity could have, it made other rules, but why not this one.

                      It seems that all the gods have the same flaw, they improve on knowledge and morals as the people improve on those things. So is it god leading the people, or the people creating the god they want? Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — November 2, 2018 @ 08:00

                    • I really don’t know, but I have a few pictures I want to show you as they are related to Islam. But how can I show you those pictures?

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                      Comment by Manahil — November 2, 2018 @ 08:39

                    • You can put them in an email to me if you wish. My email is Scottiestoybox@comcast.net Or if you can post them and then send me the link. I have no way to put pictures in the comments, videos work sometimes, but not pictures. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — November 2, 2018 @ 08:41

                    • Oh, ok

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                      Comment by Manahil — November 2, 2018 @ 08:51

                    • I levet you a comment on your blog. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — November 2, 2018 @ 09:07

                    • Yes, got it.

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                      Comment by Manahil — November 2, 2018 @ 09:12

                    • Can you please check if you got my email? I sent you an email, but I think that maybe it’s not sent.

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                      Comment by Manahil — November 2, 2018 @ 09:13

                    • I can not find it. Try sending it again. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — November 2, 2018 @ 11:06

                  • I just think that it is better to marry early to be safe from evil, but it doesn’t mean that I’ll marry just now. Like, I have my own life to build and a whole world to see and a marriage is not only about being physical it’s something really complicated so, yeah, believes and actions also differ.

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                    Comment by Manahil — October 31, 2018 @ 13:15

                    • Now that is the first thing you have written I agree with. Take your time, grow up and mature. See the world and fulfil your dreams. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — October 31, 2018 @ 13:26

                    • Nice to know that atleast we agree upon something and thank you.

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                      Comment by Manahil — October 31, 2018 @ 13:42

                    • You only didn’t agree with the other things she wrote because… ##Edited because you have been warned, if you keep doing this you will be moderated## Everything that Manahil has written is true. *** Edited***

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                      Comment by TheRealFatema — January 4, 2019 @ 05:28

                    • TheRealFatema, prove it. Stop with the insults and prove you know that you are talking about. Prove your assertion. I would remind you that we have people here on my blog such as Michelle who have studied Islam in depth. They are scholars of the subject. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — January 4, 2019 @ 08:25

                  • Many Muslims call the book as Quran, but it’s written Koran in many books too just like how we pronounce Uthman as Usman.

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                    Comment by Manahil — October 31, 2018 @ 13:16

          • Even today, in Pakistan, a woman said some bad stuff regarding the Holy Prophet(P.B.U.H) and she was arrested, but now she’s being sent to another country, but the people here are protesting and the whole country is disturbed and no one is safe and only the extremists are the ones who have blocked the roads while the others, just like our prime Minister-Imran Khan- think that is fair that the woman is safely being sent away while the people of the country demand for her to be hanged because this is right and this is Islamic. Even if someone says bad about our Prophet(S.A.W) does not mean that we have to be bad to the person too, but people take out weird logics from the Quran and link it to whatever they think and they consider themselves to be right

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            Comment by Manahil — October 31, 2018 @ 11:59

            • Yes I am aware, I commented on it to you. How does that in anyway make Ismal look good to you. Even if she insulted a dead religious figure ( who was a brutal warlord according to historical fact ) why is tha ta crime? Why was she arrested? Why does she have to leave the country? That is not good , that shows how bad Islam is.

              Think on it. You admit how bad it is and no one is safe. That is because a religion is in charge of your laws and government.

              The problem we have is your use of the term extremist. If the woman has to be sent away for something as silly as an insult, then you are all extreme. Even is she had insulted your P.M. she shouldn’t be punished. That is barbaric. You say this is right and this is Islamic, which shows you don’t see the problem and how bad religion is. You are following a book written 1400 or so years ago and harming people based on words. If it was not so serious it would be funny. How can you say the story teaches good things and should be followed when it calls for harming a person for saying an insult. Or killing because someone draws a picture of your prophet Muhammad. Hugs

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              Comment by Scottie — October 31, 2018 @ 12:22

              • It’s not a crime, but she went against Islam in an Islamic country! She was arrested as people go as far as calling offence against religion as crime. She has to leave the country because she can’t stay here. If she does stay here, people, the stupid extremists, would kill her. They would not let her live so, it’s best for her to leave.

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                Comment by Manahil — October 31, 2018 @ 12:52

                • Manahil is english your native language? You say in sentence one it is not a crime, yet in in sentence two you admit it is a crime. Your admitting the extremist run your country. So the majority of your country thinks Islam means something you do not. whois correct? Really I am not being mean, I am saying you seem to be of a different Islamic religion than the 98% of Muslims world wide. Even in secular countries like England I have seen the polling about how Muslims see Islam and nearly all of the respondents see Islam as what I would call a very strict book of rules that call for great punishments if not obeyed. Most of the time they don’t act on it because of the fact the laws are against them, as it should be. Your case of this woman is a case where it is harmful to have religion making and enforcing the laws. If they were in my country and they tried to harm the lady they would all be arrest and jailed. That keeps them from doing stuff like that. Hugs

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                  Comment by Scottie — October 31, 2018 @ 13:01

                  • It is actually not a crime, but the peope made it one. So, according to the people, she has committed a crime.

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                    Comment by Manahil — October 31, 2018 @ 13:20

                    • They made it a crime based on Islam correct? so Islam is harmful when it is in charge. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — October 31, 2018 @ 13:27

                    • They made it a crime based on Islam, but they interpreted Islam wrong. These people just make their own logics from the Quran and made it a crime. When the Prophet, himself,

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                      Comment by Manahil — October 31, 2018 @ 13:43

                    • Manahil, you have said that often. The problem is your elders and leaders believe in an Islam that is far different than your belief in what the Koran says. Every religion has some followers who either change what the book says to fit a nicer view of the religion, or they simply ignore things that the holy books say that they know and believe to be wrong. But we have to go by what the majority say it is until people like you are in the majority. But that still offers problems. How do you feel about the idea that your Prophet rode ( sailed? ) up into the heaven on a horse? Do you beleive that simply being LGBTQ is a sin? Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — October 31, 2018 @ 13:54

                    • I don’t think that being LGBTQ is a sin as people can’t control it. It’s natural, right? So, when it is not their own fault that they’re attracted to the same sex then yes, it’s not a sin.

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                      Comment by Manahil — October 31, 2018 @ 13:56

                    • It is natural and it is often seen in nature. Actually many people get the story of Sodom and Gomorrah wrong. They think the wicked thing God destroyed the cities for was sexual in nature. But God had already decided to destroy them before sending the angels. So the people wanting to have sex with the angels was not the problem. The problem was hospitality. It was very important in those days and still is to some. It is often mentioned in the holy books how hospitality should be given and received. If it was about sex then Lot ( Lut ) would have been just as guilty for offering his daughters up to the “mob”. Plus the entire city was not men and not all the males wanted to have sex with the angels, some had to be pre puberty boys who wouldn’t’ have cared. Not to mention all the incest by Lot and his daughters after.
                      From the research I have done it seems scholars believe that the sin was failing to provide proper hospitality.
                      Religious leaders say homosexuality is a choice. It is not. I think they are stupid for saying this because that means they made a choice to not be gay? That means they could have been gay or straight? What I worry about Manahil is the many LGBTQ people in religous run countries who can be jailed, caned, hurt, or killed if they slip up and just be themselves. Be careful in your country please. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — October 31, 2018 @ 14:32

                    • You don’t have to worry. Pakistan is not truly an Islamic country. So muny unIslamic practices take place here so, I’ll be just fine. You’re worrying for no reason. So many other people have the same view of Islam like me, even if they don’t express, everyone else knows about it.

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                      Comment by Manahil — October 31, 2018 @ 14:50

                    • Yet they wanted to kill a woman because she was found not guilty of insulting the Prophet? Even not guilty just the idea of that makes it a death sentence in many minds. But you know your country far better than I. What do you think of this article? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_law_in_Pakistan
                      Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — October 31, 2018 @ 15:18

                    • Yes, it is right that in Zia’s time, Islamic laws were introduced, but they were actually never implemented properly. I discussed this matter with my mom and she said that the people are angry because the way she has been freed is not right because at first, she was ordered to be hanged and now, they just said she’s not guilty and many people don’t believe that she’s innocent.

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                      Comment by Manahil — November 1, 2018 @ 05:24

                    • she went through your legal system as it is designed? She did not skip courts? So that is the way a legal system works, appeals go to the highest court. Now the real question is not her guilt as the highest court has said she is not. The question should be was she charged correctly in the first place and was the law she was accused of breaking a valid or proper law. Should it have been a law. We disagree on that you and I. THe idea that just because some people didn’t get the verdict they wanted they decided to bypass the laws and take the matter of her life in their own hands. That is wrong and barbaric. The ones you call extremist are showing they do not wish to and can not seem to live in a civilized society. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — November 1, 2018 @ 08:50

                    • The Prophet, himself, didn’t provide harm to the ones who hurt him as the Prophet(PBUH) said, “Allah has sent me as mercy.”

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                      Comment by Manahil — October 31, 2018 @ 13:45

                    • Are you saying that Muhammad did call for harm to others in some parts of the Koran? Because a simple search finds that he did. You know it strikes me that god is pretty weak if he can not make his requirements clearly know without needed interpretation. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — October 31, 2018 @ 13:58

                    • I think that God is much mote complicated than human imagination and that is why he needed a messenger to explain his message. God could also simplify the message himself, but he wanted someone who could relay the message by actions too, which the Holy Prophet(PBUH) was able to do.

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                      Comment by Manahil — October 31, 2018 @ 14:34

                    • Is not god described as all powerful and all knowing? If so he wouldn’t need a messenger or any interpretation. Ah, do you think all the actions it is said Muhammad committed were holy? Did he live as christians say Jesus did without sin, a completely holy life? Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — October 31, 2018 @ 14:38

                    • The Prophet was a human too. I don’t know if he ever committed sins, but comming one is inevitable, but according to what I’ve read the Prophet was always pure and Islamic

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                      Comment by Manahil — October 31, 2018 @ 14:52

                    • What do you mean pure? He was not always Islamic, he had no faith as a baby and small child. He learned his faith just as you did, from family , Imams, and from the culture around you. Again if he had been raised in India would he have been a Hindu? Or if in Italy christian? What about you, if you were born in the USA to christian parents you would probably be a 15 year old christian boy. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — October 31, 2018 @ 15:23

                    • First, I’m a girl. Secondly, at the time the Holy Prophet was born, there was no Islam. The people of that time were idol worshipers. Even the Holy Prophet’s uncle and grandfather were not Muslims even if they were descended from Prophet Ibrahim(R.A). Then how can you say that the Prophet leaned the faith from Family and Imams?

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                      Comment by Manahil — November 1, 2018 @ 05:27

                    • Manahil, that is a great question. I took the time to write an email to a good friend who did a lot of research and got a degree on Islamic studies. I asked her your question. She has written about Islam here on my blog before but I can not locate her writings at this time. I did go to google and asked your question. Here is the answer I got:

                      What religion was there before Islam?
                      Religion in pre-Islamic Arabia was a mix of polytheism, Christianity, Judaism, and Iranian religions. Arab polytheism, the dominant belief system, was based on the belief in deities and other supernatural beings such as djinn. Gods and goddesses were worshipped at local shrines, such as the Kaaba in Mecca.

                      I think it is reasonable to see that all other religions were built on the foundation of other beliefs. They took an existing idea and expanded them. Sometimes these expansions were incorporated into the existing religion and sometimes they are offshoots or thought of as new religions. As history shows this has happened and does happen , it is reasonable to assume your Prophet did the same thing. He built on the things he learned and knew and took it in either a different direction or add to what was practiced at the time.
                      I do hope Michelle will answer soon and join in, you will find her very informative and nice. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — November 1, 2018 @ 09:19

                    • We cannot assume anything? Islam came so many years ago. It could be that the Quran was really a message from Allah and not something made up by the Prophet(PBUH)

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                      Comment by Manahil — November 1, 2018 @ 23:39

                    • We have to make inferences based on the knowledge we have. It is a part of how historians work. It is subject to change if the information we have change. Yes it was a long time ago. I am not a historian but there are people who have made it a life’s work to find out all they can and to make the best judgement they can on history. Some are mainstream and some are extreme or on the fringes. There are scientist, biologist , paleontologist, geologist, and many more fields of study that have managed to discover knowledge father in the past than the time of your Prophet. There are astrophysicists who have taken the history and make up of the universe back to 13.8 billion years. So I am sure there is enough information available about the time frame of the start of Islam. Michelle has gotten back to me, she will answer us soon. She is on a very long trip and needs some rest. I am not a historian nor have I researched this, so I won’t pretend to know things I don’t. What I will say is we know how people work. We know how religions split off from one another. We have cases of it as recent as the late 1800’s and early 1900’s here in the US. New religions were created using some of the old and adding new interpretations of the new leaders. So I think we could say it is possible Muhammad did the same. Possible but I cannot say for sure. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — November 2, 2018 @ 08:22

                    • Yeah. Anything in possible, but I thought about it a lot and if I were given a choice to choose any religion in the world, I would still choose Islam as I think that it is the best of all religions and I agree with most of the things Islam says.

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                      Comment by Manahil — November 2, 2018 @ 08:43

                    • That is your right and I support it. Just as I am an atheist because I see no evidence for any deity and a lot of things that contradict the claims of religions. See I like the idea of treating others as we wish to be treated. I would hate to be forced to join any religion just because others belong to it, but if others want to that is their right. The only time I fight religion or respond with an attack is when others force their religion on those who don’t want it. I do not know about your country, but as I posted yesterday, there are christians here who want to force others to live by the rules of their religion and want the government to be lead by their religion. They do not care how others feel or what others think, they want to force everyone to worship their god and do as they do. That never works out well for the people. It is regressive and it tramples the rights of people who are not religious. Freedom of religion has to include freedom from religion. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — November 2, 2018 @ 08:51

                    • Yes, you’re absolutely right.

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                      Comment by Manahil — November 2, 2018 @ 09:09

                    • I am trying to finish a project right now so I may not get to your comments as quickly as I would like. I am hoping I won’t have to go out to finish up but may have to so I wont be around this morning. Hug

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                      Comment by Scottie — November 2, 2018 @ 10:02

                    • Sure. Have a good time. Allah hafiz.😊

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                      Comment by Manahil — November 2, 2018 @ 10:04

                    • Manahil Ma Sha Allah you have explained Islam very well to this idiot who clearly knows nothing. Don’t fret if he doesn’t understand a thing. He is just one of those stupid atheists that say that the whole universe was created by itself, like how illogical is that? If I say a pen is made by itself everyone would say I was insane and here he’s saying that there is no God. To hell with him and all the other people who oppose Islam.

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                      Comment by TheRealFatema — January 4, 2019 @ 05:37

                    • Ah again TheRealFatema you show how loving islam is. Right to hell with those infidels. Funny but the threat is meaningless as there is no hell. If so show it, show the evidence. Where is it and why is it there. Show how one gets to it. What part of humans go there? If you say soul, show the evidence for such a thing as science as tested and found no evidence of such a thing.

                      As to your pen analogy, think on it a minute. It is an old argument long debunked and refuted. Do you ever google anything? Look up the watchmakers argument. Simply put we know pens are made by people. We know how they are made, what they are made from, what different properties of a pen. So we all know a pen did not create itself because it lacks the ability to do so and we understand its creation. The universe has the mathematics and the reasonable physics to have come into existence without a creator. Again we can show plausible ways it can do so without any magic. Because to say a creator did it, you would have to show a plausible way that creator could have. Simply saying they did it, or they spoke it into being explains nothing. It has no information.

                      Try this. Have you read the Harry Potter series? If not look them up and give them a read, they are very enjoyable. Now in the book the wizard community can do wonderful things, magical things. They never explain how this magic works, they just described it working. They point their wands and make a nonsense sounds, and things act in ways that are contrary to the natural laws of reality. They can point their wants and say a made up word and they can float things around a room. This is the same magic as saying god spoke so it was. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — January 4, 2019 @ 08:41

                  • Here in Pakistan, people have moulded Islam to their needs. We wear tight clothes and people even date and be physical, have wine and stuff and here people consider Islam as a religion of freedom as no one can force them into anything. There is no punishment for such thing like drinking wine, dancing, gambling and stuff like that, but once any such incident like an insult to the prophet happens then the people just become so Islamic and they make their own logics from the Quran and justify their actions when in actual, the text of the Quran can be interpreted in many ways, it depends upon the people as to how they perceive it.

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                    Comment by Manahil — October 31, 2018 @ 13:25

                    • Sadly I see Pakistan getting more and more strict and religious. The harmful side of religion is taking over. I know of two people in Pakistan who have disappeared after claiming to be atheist. I believe one of them is dead.

                      See this is why religion shouldn’t be running the government, why it is harmful to have it doing so. If your fellow Muslims believe in the goodness of the Koran as you say it is and seem to believe then the majority wouldn’t be extreme. Instead the moderates would be keeping the extremist in check. THe problem with what you say is the do make their judgements from what they the majority think the Koran tells them. It is the same with the bible. My point is the books are fables and myths, and you shouldn’t use them to make laws. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — October 31, 2018 @ 13:32

                    • I think the same, but I wouldn’t go as far as calling the books as myths and fables. I’ll just say that yes, when governing a country, religion should not be brought into matter and when making laws, humanity and the right things should be taken into consideration.

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                      Comment by Manahil — October 31, 2018 @ 13:48

                    • Thank you. That is enlightenment in a lot of places and in some you would be in huge trouble for saying that. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — October 31, 2018 @ 14:00

                    • I don’t think so, the most people could do would kill me and I’m not afraid to die.✌️

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                      Comment by Manahil — October 31, 2018 @ 14:38

                    • While I agree you shouldn’t be afraid to die, we all will, nor should we want to die before we need to. I think of it this way. It is a waste of what could possibly be for each young person that dies. Every person has much to offer the world and much to enjoy and do through life. I haste to see any life cut short. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — October 31, 2018 @ 14:46

                    • May you have a long life. Ameen. I better sleep. Goodnight and Allah hafiz.

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                      Comment by Manahil — October 31, 2018 @ 14:53

                    • Good night, I have work to do also. Come back anytime you like. Nice to chat with you. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — October 31, 2018 @ 15:23

                    • It was nice talking to you too. This talk about religion is so tiresome.

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                      Comment by Manahil — November 1, 2018 @ 05:28

                    • Tiresome? Do you mean you do not like to talk about religion, or the way some people respond angrily to someone’s religion? I have enjoyed talking to you and look forward to other conversations. Be well. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — November 1, 2018 @ 09:21

                    • It’s tiresome as I still do not have enough information about Islam to have an actual and proper debate or argument with someone.

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                      Comment by Manahil — November 1, 2018 @ 23:40

                    • I am in about the same boat with you. That is why we are not debating. We are talking and exchanging ideas. Please don’t feel you are under pressure to achieve something other than expressing yourself. I not trying to make you change your mind, I am just telling you my thoughts and adding some questions for us to think on. I don’t feel either of us has to prove anything nor make the other believe as we do. I think we are just talking. I do have an advantage as I am older and so have heard a bit more over time, but you are in an Islamic country raised as a Muslim, so you have more knowledge of the finer points of Islam than I do. I accepted your point of people claiming things are in the LOran that are not , or that they interpret them in a wrong way. You have that knowledge. My only point was I wish you could get the larger majority to see what you and your friends do. IF this is stressing you out, we can also talk about other things. You can tell me what your town / city is like, what you enjoy, how your country works. You see I often don’t hear the better things about your country, often the news reported is the bad. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — November 2, 2018 @ 08:28

                    • Yeah, it is so bad. Pakistan is always considered bad by everyone when it’s actually not. If only I could send you the pictures which I have, you would get to know that mentality of people in Pakistan and it is actually a very few people who are the extremist, but as Pakistan has a large population, the very few people are also a lot in number.

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                      Comment by Manahil — November 2, 2018 @ 08:46

                    • I am interested. As I wrote I followed a blog by a man in Lahore and he loved his country but felt he couldn’t tell anyone he was atheist. He also worried that someone would find his blog and find out who he was as he was gay. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — November 2, 2018 @ 08:55

                    • Ohh, ok. How do you know that the man disappeared?

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                      Comment by Manahil — November 2, 2018 @ 09:10

                    • We talked almost daily for three or four years. He posted often and came to my blog almost daily. Then he was gone right after telling me of the trouble he was having from co-workers and even his boss. Last I heard about it he said he had been notified he was bing called in to one of the upper management’s office. Then nothing after for several years. It seems he would still contact me if he could have. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — November 2, 2018 @ 10:05

                    • Ohh, I wish the person is alright.

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                      Comment by Manahil — November 2, 2018 @ 13:40

                    • Thank you, I do also. If I can find his blog I will give you the link. I have another email address I would like you to try. Others have had trouble with the Comcast one. So try to email me at Scottiestoybox@gmail.com . At this time you are most likely in bed sleeping. Rest well. We will talk again when you have time and want to. Be well. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — November 2, 2018 @ 13:56

                    • No, I’m actually awake. It’s my friend’s birthday so I’m up till 12:00 AM so that I can post a horrible picture of her and wish her happy birthday😂😅

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                      Comment by Manahil — November 2, 2018 @ 14:25

                    • Ok, wow, so, the email has not been sent the third time too.

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                      Comment by Manahil — November 2, 2018 @ 14:43

                    • I think it is Comcast. It does happen that they simply refuse the email. Do try the Scottiestoybox@gmail.com email, it seems to work better than comcast. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — November 2, 2018 @ 14:49

                    • Both the emails aren’t working. I think it’s because maybe my icloud storage is full.

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                      Comment by Manahil — November 3, 2018 @ 04:45

                    • I got your email to my Gmail account. I even answered back. Have a good day. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — November 3, 2018 @ 08:14

                    • Oh, ok

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                      Comment by Manahil — November 3, 2018 @ 09:02

                    • I finally got a chance to sit at the computer. How are you , well I hope. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — November 3, 2018 @ 12:19

                    • Yes, thank you, I’m good. Hope you’re good too.

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                      Comment by Manahil — November 3, 2018 @ 21:10

                    • I didn’t receive your reply.

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                      Comment by Manahil — November 3, 2018 @ 21:10

                    • I will resend it. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — November 4, 2018 @ 04:32

                    • Ok, thanks.

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                      Comment by Manahil — November 4, 2018 @ 05:21

              • No, no, no. The book does not ask to punish someone who insults the Prophet or someone who draws the Prophet(PBUH) the Prophet himself, forgave all his enemies. The Quran teaches us to be merciful. This is the thing I am telling you. The people have made Islam bad by moulding it according to their ways and thinking.

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                Comment by Manahil — October 31, 2018 @ 12:56

                • Greetings,

                  As to where Islam came from. I studied Islam in college. My professors are scholars on the subject. Some practicing Islam, some formerly practiced Islam. As part of my studies I wrote a Thesis paper entitles the origins of Allah. I scored a 100 percent on it. Even my Islamic professors were astounded and impressed.

                  Islam like all faiths of man has roots in a need. They all arouse from some need at the time. be it a need to explain that which we don’t understand to a need to control people. Islam is a multifaceted faith with Sharia (governing laws), governmental structure guidance, marriage guidance. it was intended to be not just a faith but a complete way of living. at the time on the Arabian lands many tribes existed and they were making war. Life was hard and the people needed direction. So a rigid ideology of how to live, pray and act was enacted and Islam rose to fill this void with it’s laws and structure.

                  Anyway if you want to learn about the Origin of Allah here is part of my thesis (edited down for wordpress). it’s six parts complete with cross references in archaeology, history and linguistics. I’ve carefully tied all of this information into the most cohesive presentation possible.

                  here are the six links:
                  https://aghostdancer.wordpress.com/2014/07/20/the-origin-of-allah-part-1/
                  https://aghostdancer.wordpress.com/2014/07/21/the-origin-of-allah-part-2/
                  https://aghostdancer.wordpress.com/2014/07/22/the-origin-of-allah-part-3/
                  https://aghostdancer.wordpress.com/2014/07/23/the-origin-of-allah-part-4/
                  https://aghostdancer.wordpress.com/2014/07/24/the-origin-of-allah-part-5/
                  https://aghostdancer.wordpress.com/2014/07/25/the-origin-of-allah-part-6/

                  I read some Hebrew and Arabic. I have studied religions deeply and can even quote from many of them. I am not afraid to discuss serious topics and I always attempt to do it in a polite, respectful manner. You will find citations in my work but you’ll also please note I am neither Christian nor Muslim nor Jew.

                  Lastly your faith if it helps you live a life you are proud of then please continue to live that way. My goal is never to destroy ones faith but merely to educate and discuse serious topics.

                  I hope this finds you well. Big hugs,
                  Michelle

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                  Comment by Michelle Styles — November 2, 2018 @ 11:40

                  • Thank you Michelle, thank you very much. This is fantastic. I have saved it in my documents file with all the links. Manahil we will learn together it seems as we read the work Michelle has done. Best wishes. Hugs

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                    Comment by Scottie — November 2, 2018 @ 13:44

                  • Thank you. I’ll be sure to read all of it and reply back to you soon. Till then, I hope you have good, happy days. God bless you, Ameen.

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                    Comment by Manahil — November 2, 2018 @ 13:52

              • Comment moderated. You were warned.

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                Comment by TheRealFatema — January 4, 2019 @ 05:33

                • Again you make a claim but cite no sources. Who was this mythical Christian and why do you believe him when you disbelieve his religious views? Your story is a more of a fable than fact. Think on it. You do not think the Christians are correct on anything but this one thing? Doesn’t it seem weird a christian would be supportive of the leader of another faith? The story , which is an anecdote, is too good to be true just as your story of the atheist who read the Quran and converted. It is made up to reinforce the belief you already have. Hugs

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                  Comment by Scottie — January 4, 2019 @ 08:31

                  • You are in moderation

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                    Comment by TheRealFatema — January 4, 2019 @ 09:14

                    • You are uneducated. Educate yourself on orbital mechanics and you will understand the reason the sun and moon “come on time”. In 2018 if you do not know about the orbits of planets and the way gravity works you are either a poe or you have a serious education problem. Either way it is silly to think such well understood things require a god. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — January 4, 2019 @ 12:01

                    • You are only talking about the universe. I am completely educated and don’t you dare say I’m not. I know everything there is to know about physics, mathematics, gravity etc. But what about human beings? Haven’t you ever seen how perfectly they have been made? Do you think the process of a baby forming perfectly in its mother’s womb has created itself? If so, you are the uneducated duffer even though you may not know so. My advice to you is , educate yourself before displaying your dumb ideas in public lest people laugh at your face.

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                      Comment by TheRealFatema — January 5, 2019 @ 01:21

                    • I have asked your age, and you have not answered. Again you get hostile to simple questions and discussion. To say ” I know everything there is to know about physics, mathematics, gravity etc. ” is asinine and stupid. It shows you do not know those things. It is not possible to know everything. You can be educated about a subject, you can have an understanding of a subject, you can study a subject, but no one can know everything about a subject. That is childish.

                      You ask questions that have simple answers. You don’t need a god for humans or any other life on our planet. We understand biology, we have proved evolution as much as any science field is proved . Evolution is a fact, regardless of your religion. It is as much a fact as the air you breathe. You speak of babies developing in the womb. Did you know that zigots / fetuses go through many stages of development where they have the features and attributes of the lineage they come from. This has been proven. We have pictures, we have the very fetus that show these things such as the development of gill like structures that then go away, tails are another one. Ancestral characters are often, but not always, preserved in an organism’s development. For example, both chick and human embryos go through a stage where they have slits and arches in their necks like the gill slits and gill arches of fish. These structures are not gills and do not develop into gills in chicks and humans, but the fact that they are so similar to gill structures in fish at this point in development supports the idea that chicks and humans share a common ancestor with fish. Thus, developmental characters, along with other lines of evidence, can be used for constructing phylogenies. From https://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evodevo_02

                      Now I keep providing the source for stuff I share with you. Stuff that is basically common knowledge and peer reviewed information. The constant arrogance of you, who are clearly uninformed, assuming you know things simply because your holy book makes a false claim based on what was understood 1600 years ago. Understand your holy book and its related books are not science / history books. They are religious in nature and faulty on real understanding of the world and reality. So get off your high horse and learn some stuff before asserting stuff that is well known to be wrong. Really it makes you look like an idiot. Now you are bombarding me with many comments at a time, once I answer all these we are going to go to a system of one or two comments and then wait for a reply then one or two more. I simply cannot devote all of my day to answering you when you simply make assertions without putting in any effort to learn first what you are about to assert. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — January 5, 2019 @ 07:46

                    • My age is 14. And by the way, I have sent you an email, about some proofs that God exists. It seems that you are too much of a biology fanatic to understand anything about God. And I didn’t get hostile, I’m sorry you thought so. And about writing that I know everything, my bad. I accidentally typed it, didn’t mean it that way. I just meant I knew a lot of things about biology and that I have studied these things. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

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                      Comment by TheRealFatema — January 5, 2019 @ 08:39

                    • Thank you for your age. It does make a difference and helps understand you better. I am sorry I have not checked for your email and I am glad you told me. I have not had time to get to my emails for three days. I get hundreds of emails a day and have other things during the day I must do. With running my blog and other tasks I have more to do a day than I can get to . When I get home this afternoon I will look for your email. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — January 5, 2019 @ 11:23

                    • Thank you. I hope you do.

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                      Comment by TheRealFatema — January 5, 2019 @ 11:26

                    • Also there is no problem with understanding god and biology. There are well known biologist who have faith in a god. But just because you have yet to learn or study biology or any other topic doesn’t mean you can simply say “god did it”. That is called the god of the gaps fallacy. There is no need to add a god to well known understood biological or astrophysics. Any scientific field really. In fact there are people who believe that god set the entire universe going and them walked away. God is letting it run the way he designed it without interference. Again I do not believe this because there is no evidence but it shows that science and belief are not enemies. Got to go. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — January 5, 2019 @ 11:28

                    • Fatema I understand some of the reason why you might have reacted the way you did. You are young. I assume you are a male from you comment on girls. You have been brought up in a restrictive culture where some ideas have been taught to you as the way things simply are and should be, but in truth It is only where you are that those things are accepted. Where do you live please?

                      OK if you studied biology then you know about how our cells work. You understand how we procreate. You understand then that our embryos in the womb go through changes that show the stages of ancestral development. Now if humans were created as they are today with no other ancestral history then those stages of development that we see wouldn’t be there. So because we see these changes in the developing human zygote / fetus, because we have the real things to see and study, not just ideas or pictures, but the real things, we know humans were not created as humans as we are today. That is the truth. If we were created as we are today there wouldn’t be any developmental stages that were not humans as we are. Do you understand? We can talk of this more if you like. Again it would help me to talk with you if I knew where you lived. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — January 5, 2019 @ 17:57

                    • The Darwinian evolution theory is wrong. I mean, seriously, just think about it. He says first humans were monkeys and then something between humans and monkeys. And monkeys are now still present and those creatures between humans and monkeys aren’t. And what about all the differences in humans and monkeys? Can you give me an example of another creature revolutionising in the same way as monkeys did to humans? No! So this basically proves that the Darwinian evolution theory is wrong. And by the way, I and from Karachi, Pakistan but I have lived in the Netherlands for roughly seven years.

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                      Comment by TheRealFatema — January 6, 2019 @ 00:07

                    • Hello Fatema. It is after midnight where I am and I am tired , but before I go to bed I will try to answer you.

                      I am sorry to have to tell you but of all our scientific knowledge the theory of evolution has the most evidence to support it. Really. It has no missing evidence. Everything we would expect to find in the fossil record if evolution was correct we have found. There are no missing links as we have found all the necessary steps we expected to find. This is not a faith issue Fatema. The evidence is there, anyone can see it. It is a proven fact.

                      Your understanding of what Darwin proposed and of evolution states is not correct. This is why I ask you to look into the things you want to disprove. Darwin and evolution do not say we came from monkeys.

                      Far in the distant past there was a mammal creature. Over time the offspring of that species diverged from the original and formed new species. Yes we know this happens we have seen it in both the wild and in the laboratory. So that divergence lead to two new branches. One was us. I wish I could post the graphs as it would show you how simple this evolution was.
                      No one is saying that something between monkeys and humans. If you were taught that , those who did so were wrong. Maybe this will help.

                      Please google evolutionary tree of human evolution and you will see what you have been taught is incorrect.

                      You ask about evolution yet you do not really understand what it is. You want me to give you an example of evolution and yes I can.

                      For a second put aside your preconceived ideas and what you think you have been taught. Because here is what we know happened.

                      Millions of years ago RNA started to combine. It formed even more complex cellular structures. We know this is possible because we have done it in laboratories. We have done it.
                      So those simple enzymes formed cells and those cells formed more and more complex structures. Eventually all those complex cellular structures formed all the the living things on our planet. If you want a step by step way this happened I can give you a link to Aron Ra’s YouTube channel. He makes videos for schools about evolution and how it has developed from single cells to all we see today, including how we humans fit into this evolutionary chart. Here is the link https://www.youtube.com/user/AronRa/videos and look for the Systematic Classification of Life series. You want evidence, he shows it.

                      You ask for ” example of another creature revolutionising in the same way as monkeys did to humans”. Yet that is what evolution is about. All creatures did , all life did . That is the point you seem to misunderstand. You seem to think humans came from monkeys according to evolution. That is not quite true. There are different meanings of monkey according to historical time. Basically there are classification of money, ape, old world ape, and so on. It is a silly misunderstanding to say humans came from monkeys. That was designed to make fun of evolution and to give religions a way to deny evolution is a fact.

                      Sorry my new friend but I must go to bed. I have to be up in four hours. I wish I could devote more time to our conversation but I cannot. Until tomorrow . Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — January 6, 2019 @ 01:09

                    • Ok mister physics and know everything.
                      Is the universe infinite or finite. Is it flat or round? What came before the big bang?

                      Hmm you don’t know everything it seems….

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                      Comment by Michelle Styles — January 7, 2019 @ 10:48

    • MANAHIL:

      It’s not easy to ‘study’ Islam (may peace be upon it!). I did try, twice—but the translations (may peace be upon them) of course were not the real thing (may peace be upon it!) and I have no knowledge of Arabic (may peace be upon it!).
      But as far as I did read were endless (hypnotic? Certainly intended to be, I think) repetitions of how God (may peace be upon it!) is great.)

      So I gave away the Koran (may peace be upon it!) and left it to the uncritical. I judge, as if my life and survival depends on it (it does). I’m endlessly told how Islam (may peace be upon it!) is the religion of peace (but actually just like every other bastard—endless wars) and compassion (stone ’em, flog ’em, behead ’em)(publicly), and morality (‘marry’ little girls, and screw ’em once nine years old) … sure. Pigs will fly, too.

      Go ahead and take me as a challenge—rebut me if you can, but without reverting to endless quotes from your book (may peace be upon it) or ‘holy’ men (may peace be upon them).

      Face to face … and if my endless references to ‘peace’ come across as contrived and bloody annoying—welcome to your Koran’s (may peace be upon it) style.

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      Comment by Argus — October 31, 2018 @ 16:00

      • Yes, it is not easy to study Islam. Islam is complicated, but I think that if you read it more carefully, then maybe then you would perceive it as good. I do not agree with a few things in Quran, but later on in the Quran, there are specific instructions and applications and special cases to everything.

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        Comment by Manahil — November 1, 2018 @ 05:34

      • @Argus
        I am impressed that you are still saying”peace be upon it” on things you don’t even agree. May God bless you for giving our holy book and religion respect. May you live a long and successful life and may God guide you to the right path.
        ~Ameen~

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        Comment by TheRealFatema — January 5, 2019 @ 01:23

  6. Btw, even if you’re gay, Muslims would not harm you. It is haram(forbidden) to harm a non Muslim until they provide you harm. Peace!

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    Comment by Manahil — October 31, 2018 @ 10:51

    • Dude that is a huge BULLSHIT sand you damn well know it. We can go through the list of Islamic countries I can be killed in legally by anyone for being gay. Not to say there is not also some christian places I could be killed in. Now in the USA it is against the laws due to separation of church and state ( which the major fundamentalist christian groups are trying to get rid of to create a theocracy ) so most muslims in the US wouldn’t harm me, but they are not really supportive of my rights either. Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — October 31, 2018 @ 11:08

      • Yes, it is haram for a man to like or marry a man and for a woman to like or marry a women, but in Islam, we are not allowed to hurt anyone. Those who use Islam in the wrong way are bad, Islam is not bad. People, usually those stupid extremists make all those religions much more complicated and make out stuff and relate it to the relatigion in one way or another. You know even when Allah gave the order of Jihad, he said, “Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress.”

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        Comment by Manahil — October 31, 2018 @ 11:15

        • Manahil, I will talk to you but only as long as you open your eyes and admit how your faith is being used and promoted world wide. Go on YouTube and see the atrocities committed by people of Islamic faith in the name if Islam. The only places where Islam is not hurting people physically is in countries where they are prevented from doing so by secular laws. It doesn’t stop them from forcing rules and restrictions on females that are a violations of women’s rights. If you think about it, how fair would you think the rules are if males were the ones to have to follow all the ones females do and females were free to do what males do now? You really would say this sucks.

          See Manahil the problem is caused when religion is used to control. The best governments are secular in nature because that protects the rights of the religious and the non-religious. And before you disagree think of this Pakistani Supreme Court overturns Asia Bibi’s death Sentence in blasphemy case. A woman was sentenced to death since 2010 because she was a christian and got into an argument with muslim co-workers and they complained she INSULTED islam. Now when the Supreme Court overturned it the protection services ( police ) were trying to block the protesters from doing harm to the judges but the protesters had already taken over parts of the city.

          Now it can be said that there are extremes to all religions. I understand that. Also as you are new here you don’t know I don’t think badly of all muslims. I have no respect for the religion at all, and I think it is harmful as are all the abrahamic religions. In fact if you look back through my blog you might notice I have been supportive of not demonising muslims as persons unless they deserve it. One of the stories I tell is when I was in a wheelchair in a majority christian neighborhood I lost the ability to use my backyard as I couldn’t get to it in my wheelchair. One morning my neighbor Roosevelt Jones was having concrete delivered to make a walkway. When the truck showed up the first two wheelbarrows he filled he pushed up my driveway and to the drop off into my back yard. He built a ramp. He did it first before he made his own. I did not ask him and he wouldn’t take payment. He was a Muslim. More important he was a good man and a great neighbor. The thing was he was a man who had a faith, but the faith did not control him, he controlled it.

          Now I admit I am not as familiar with the Koran as I am the bible. But I have seen and heard enough parts of it to know it is as screwed up as both the old and new testaments of the bible are. If christians lived as the bible promotes they would be arrested and put in prison in as would muslims who tried to live the things promoted in the Koran in a non islamic state. Heck at least the bible doesn’t call for killing someone who leaves the faith. I have known people online who had to run for their lives when they were found out to be atheists in islamic countries. One guy has not been heard from in years, and I suspect he is death or imprisoned. So yes, I view the made up stories and myths of religions dangerous and harmful. Hugs

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          Comment by Scottie — October 31, 2018 @ 11:48

          • oh my God! No, Islam does not promote killing someone after they leave faith. It is the people who make it that way.

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            Comment by Manahil — October 31, 2018 @ 12:26

            • The majority of the people following your holy book say it does. Sorry. Hugs

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              Comment by Scottie — October 31, 2018 @ 12:29

              • Neither can we force someone into Islam and neither can we provide any harm to any person whether they are a Muslim or a non-Muslim

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                Comment by Manahil — October 31, 2018 @ 12:58

                • See my point is your fellow Muslims don’t’ believe you and your version. Now in the article I cited they do say there is now a debate going on and some Muslims are saying it is wrong to harm a person who leaves the faith. They can still be punished but not harmed. A few do not see it as a crime to leave the faith. That is good, your religion is advancing. However the end of the article shows that even very recently lives were lost trying to leave Islam.

                  As of 2014, laws in various Muslim-majority countries prescribed for the apostate (Arabic: مرتد‎ murtadd) sentences ranging from execution to a prison term to no punishment.[29][30] Sharia courts in some countries use civil code to void the Muslim apostate’s marriage and to deny child-custody rights as well as inheritance rights.[31] In the years 1985-2006, three governments executed four individuals for apostasy from Islam: “one in Sudan in 1985; two in Iran, in 1989 and 1998; and one in Saudi Arabia in 1992.”[23] Twenty-three Muslim-majority countries, as of 2013, additionally covered apostasy from Islam through their criminal laws.[32] The Tunisian Constitution of 2014 stipulates protection from attacks based on accusations of apostasy.[33]

                  Now Manahil, I have just spent a few minutes looking at a blog post that seems to agree with you and says the harmful actions come from hadith. Yet this person is again not an authority on Islam. I take it you live in Pakistan? How old are you? I am going to include a link to a blog I go to where many people much smarter than I am hang out. The blog author posts on many subjects and even includes a lot of pictures. Posts about religion are frequent. You may find the people there have much more knowledge of the Quran than I do. Hugs
                  https://attaleuntold.wordpress.com/

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                  Comment by Scottie — October 31, 2018 @ 13:15

                  • I’m only 15 years old and you might think that it’s not right for me to actually tell you about Islam at such young age, but I have read the Quran and I’m recently reading it’s translation too. I’m not a scholar and I’m just a child.

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                    Comment by Manahil — October 31, 2018 @ 13:29

                    • Manahil I have no trouble with you telling me about the Koran. Your age is only important because some of what you wrote seems naive. Also it does mean I have to moderate my own lagrange in conversation with you because it would be wrong of me to use some words with a minor. It is not your age that is the problem. It is not even really your faith. It is the actions and enforce of your faith on others. Do you see how this is a problem attributed to Muslims and Islamic countries world wide. I am a bit worried about you now as your country as you admitted is going more extreme and your position could put you in danger. One of the people I told you about was like you in Pakistan. He got found out and got on the bad side of the extremest view of Islam. He has disappeared. I think he is either in prison or killed. I would hate to have that happen to you. One last thing, you say you’re just a child, and that is why you shouldn’t get married even to satisfy your desires. They are very strong in your body at your age, it is normal. But as you say, you have a lot of life ahead of you that you want to live. There are other solutions to the problem. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — October 31, 2018 @ 13:40

                    • Everyone thinks this way. Many of my friends think the same way too, but we know better not to express anything out aloud.

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                      Comment by Manahil — October 31, 2018 @ 13:51

                    • Again that is the point I was making about bad things religion causes. Like the solution to your physical desires we mentioned before. Your parents and religious leaders have probably taught you that it is wrong , a sin, and that you would be punished. Yet science has clearly shown it is beneficial to the body and emotions. It is this way in most religions. Based on the history of religions, I see religion as a behavior modification tool used to control the population and to move money from the people to the religious leaders. It is all about control, power, and money. But if you get something out of your faith and it harms no one else, and everyone involved consentally I have no problem with it. When it get to the point where others are forced to follow your religion or do do what you think your religion says that becomes a huge problem and one atheist have to push back against.

                      This conversation started out about the cartoon. You feel it is wrong. I feel it correctly represents how about 98% of Muslims act based on the Koran and the preachings of the religious leaders.

                      Again I caution you to be careful, you could be hurt for your views if others feel you are wrong about what Islam is or what the Koran says. I watched a YouTube video of a kid your age beaten because his parents didn’t think he was pious enough. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — October 31, 2018 @ 14:09

                    • My parents would never beat me up for not following Islam. My mom does not take a hijab, while I do, by my own free will. None of my sisters take hijab too.

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                      Comment by Manahil — October 31, 2018 @ 14:41

                    • OK, that is great. What about neighbors or family of your friends? I hope you are correct and you are safe, yet remember you said that people wanted to kill that woman just for being accused of insulting the Prophet. The highest court found she didn’t do it. Yet still religious people who believe in a holy book and a holy prophet believed their god wanted them to kill her. And according to the story I read there was worry that the Justices would be killed also. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — October 31, 2018 @ 14:49

                    • Nothing she wrote is naive. You’re the one who’s naive. How childish to say that a human just created itself or even the universe! By the way, Manahil and I know more about Islam than you do. We are Muslims, we have read the Qur’an, it’s translation and tafseer (explanation). We know more than you do and so we are not uneducated as you may say we are. Please study Islam. And do please watch Dr. Zakir Naik’s English speeches. They will inspire you. He is a wonderful scholar. I hope you follow this. Please do.
                      Once again, I’m sorry for offending you. I understand you as well. I know that you find it unrealistic to believe in a God that you don’t have evidence of. And the story I told you about an atheist converting to Islam is real. It happened just recently and it is not an old fable like you say. If you want the link to the YouTube video then email me. You will see that he himself is narrating it. Please educate yourself before calling true stories that happened recently “a fable”. It is very childish.
                      I do understand your feelings for not believing in a God. May He bless you and guide you to the right path.
                      ~Ameen~
                      PEACE

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                      Comment by TheRealFatema — January 5, 2019 @ 01:29

              • Muslims are not perfect. Islam is. Why do you atheists always get so confused??

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                Comment by TheRealFatema — January 4, 2019 @ 09:19

                • I can not speak for every atheist but I am not confused. Muslims are followers of Islam. You can judge the basics of something by the people who claim to follow it. Again as I said not all Muslims are in the extreme or applying the worst of what is written in the Quran, but the majority are. If you do not like how they portray your religion, either take it back from them and become the majority, or create a new religion based on a less extreme understanding of Islam. That said do you not agree there are passages in the Quran that are violent and barbaric? Is not the way the Islamic holy books are used to justify barbaric treatment of people who do not follow all aspects of Islam and the reprehensible way females are treated in Muslim a sign there is some horrible things in those writings? If you want to see barbaric treatment justified based on the Quaron try this: https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2019/01/01/video-shows-islamic-bedouin-judges-forcing-accused-wife-to-lick-red-hot-iron/
                  Yes men forcing a woman to lick a red hot iron paddle. Imagine being forced to burn yourself like that, not once but three times. Can you imagine the pain. For what? They seem to believe in magic because they claim if innocent the woman’s tongue won’t burn. That is stupid and shows they don’t care about really learning the truth or about females as they don’t try it with a man. Any human part of any person will burn if placed against a red hot iron paddle. It doesn’t matter if innocent or guilty. It is simple biology. Hugs

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                  Comment by Scottie — January 4, 2019 @ 12:17

                  • There are no barbaric passages in the Qur’an. I don’t think you can understand a thing I have said. Do not judge a book by its cover. If you think there are these kind of passages then you are misunderstanding. You have read the wrong translation of the Qur’an. Arabic is a very vast language and many have taken verses from the Qur’an, messed them about and shown the public that Muslims are disgraceful human beings. Please study Islam properly before jumping to the conclusion that ” the Qur’an has barbaric and violent passages” as if you are an expert in Arabic.

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                    Comment by TheRealFatema — January 5, 2019 @ 01:17

                    • Below is some of the verse I was talking about. But basically any verse that calls for the harm of others, calls for unjust punishments, the mistreatment including rape / unwanted sex of females. The harm to children including sex with them. Plus you seem unable to answer the question I asked and I want the answer. I asked:

                      “Is not the way the Islamic holy books are used to justify barbaric treatment of people who do not follow all aspects of Islam and the reprehensible way females are treated in Muslim a sign there is some horrible things in those writings?”

                      Did you read the article I referenced? Do you agree with the test? You never answer anything asked about your religion and beliefs. Instead you simply spout platitudes. Hugs

                      Book of Al-Tawba, verse 123 ( Sura 9:123) – “Oh ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers and let them find harshness in you.”

                      Book of Al-Anfal, verse 12 (Sura 8:12) – “I (Allah) will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks{ behead them} and smite all their finger-tips off.”

                      If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them….Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter.–33:60-1

                      Unto the male is the equivalent of the share of two females.–4:176

                      The Children of Israel … We have cursed them and made hard their hearts–5:12-13
                      As for the thief, both male and female, cut off their hands. … An exemplary punishment from Allah.–5:38

                      20:71 (Pharaoh) said: Ye put faith in him before I give you leave. Lo! he is your chief who taught you magic. Now surely I shall cut off your hands and your feet alternately, and I shall crucify you on the trunks of palm trees, and ye shall know for certain which of us hath sterner and more lasting punishment.

                      9:1, 3, 5-“For four months you shall journey freely in the land. but know that you shall not render Allah incapable, and that Allah will humiliate the unbelievers…. And give glad tidings to the unbelievers of a painful punishment…. When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Take them and confine them, then lie in ambush everywhere for them.”

                      As for the thief, both male and female, cut off their hands. It is the reward of their own deeds, an exemplary punishment from Allah. Allah is Mighty, Wise.”
                      Quran 5:38

                      The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;
                      Quran 5:33

                      This highly controversial Qur’anic verse prescribes the waiting period of a female who has not yet reached puberty thereby permitting men to have sex with girls who have not reached puberty:

                      “Such of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the prescribed period, if ye have any doubts, is three months, and for those who have no courses (it is the same): for those who carry (life within their wombs), their period is until they deliver their burdens: and for those who fear Allah, He will make their path easy.”
                      Quran 65:4

                      “Allah enjoins you concerning your children: The male shall have the equal of the portion of two females; then if they are more than two females, they shall have two-thirds of what the deceased has left, and if there is one, she shall have the half; and as for his parents, each of them shall have the sixth of what he has left if he has a child, but if he has no child and (only) his two parents inherit him, then his mother shall have the third; but if he has brothers, then his mother shall have the sixth after (the payment of) a bequest he may have bequeathed or a debt; your parents and your children, you know not which of them is the nearer to you in usefulness; this is an ordinance from Allah: Surely Allah is Knowing, Wise.”

                      Quran 4:11

                      OK that is enough, there are tons of them, just as there for the Bible and many other religions. You cannot dispute the book, written for its time and for people of the time has mistreatment of people, wemonm, and children in it. The treatment of females alone is barbaric. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — January 5, 2019 @ 07:15

                    • Quran (5:51): “O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.”

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                      Comment by inspiredbythedivine1 — January 5, 2019 @ 07:40

                    • Yes, I read something like that this morning. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — January 5, 2019 @ 11:01

                    • When I first read this gem of a quote, filled as it is with love, acceptance, tolerance, and warmth, I IMMEDIATELY became Muslim. Who wouldn’t?

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                      Comment by inspiredbythedivine1 — January 5, 2019 @ 12:18

                    • All the verses you have mentioned are not even the right translation. You should study Arabic a little and then start presenting me with these verses. They are actually the wrong translation. Hope you find the right ones.

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                      Comment by TheRealFatema — January 5, 2019 @ 08:32

                    • Hello Fatema. I am finally back home and I have not eaten yet so I may not be on the computer long. Just so you understand.

                      OK you may say those are not the right translations, but four different web sites I checked used the same verses worded the same way. There were a heck of a lot more that I did not include. Maybe you could tell me what is wrong with each verse cited so we can discuss them. Simply saying they are wrong doesn’t really help the conversation. Then we can move on to basic tenets of Islam and talk about them. Be well. Hugs.

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                      Comment by Scottie — January 5, 2019 @ 17:34

                    • I’m waiting for his translation also as I’ll send it to my college professors and inquire as well. They are considered Islamic experts and are either still practicing islam and some have left islam. Thier first language was Arabic and they hail from muslim nations. They also speak perfect english and are among the smartest men I know.

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                      Comment by Michelle Styles — January 7, 2019 @ 11:12

                    • Thank you Michelle. I am learning a lot by these interactions. I hope Fatema will respond and also will agree to me posting the proof of God she sent me. It was a school handout. I think everyone would get a lot out of the conversation on it. I remember how Manahil and I found common ground. I think the thing was neither of us tried to convince the other not to be a theist or atheist, we just wanted to correct what the other may have had wrong about the way the world was. I do not want to force Fatema to not be Muslim. I would like to correct any misconceptions she has about the world or science. I also will acknowledge she can and may correct some misconceptions I have about her faith and about Pakistan. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — January 7, 2019 @ 13:09

                    • One can not steal anothers faith. I’ve told Christians and others the same. How can anyone take anothers belief away if that belief is strong and part of thier identity? No one can take my faith from me. They have tried but they can’t.

                      Besides I also don’t want to steal someones faith. But when dialog of faith comes up I also won’t shy from the discussion. I believe Islam like Christianity if you follow the book word for word is a brutal, backward and barbaric way of life. However if you do like many Christians and Muslims today and choose to ignore the barbaric pieces and live a life based solely on love and understanding that faith can be beautiful thing.

                      Many Muslims today practice peace and have moved from the violent passages These are not what is often called and appologist because they admit the bpook was written in a diffent time when war and strife was part of everyday life. We as humans have moved beyond such things or I like to think we have.

                      But in the end faith and belief (when real) is part of who we are. You could sooner part my arm from my body than my faith from my mind. And you’d find I’d sooner part with my arm than my faith. 🙂

                      If you faith in what you believe is any less strong then perhaps it’s a lesson or teaching and not a faith. 🙂

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                      Comment by Michelle Styles — January 7, 2019 @ 13:35

                    • I agree with what you have written. I do not know if you would call my “belief” a teaching or a faith. I do have beliefs in how to live life, how to act, how to treat others, to help when I can, to stand up for others , to fight wrong even when it is hard, to basically be a “good” person. I have always called it “my code of honor” or the things I try to live my life by. I understand some have personal faith in a God, gods, and deities that they feel are the same as mine. I just do not see a personal supernatural being guiding it all. Others do. Ron my spouse disagrees with me. He doesn’t believe in the God of many religions. He does believe in spirituality, in the grandness of universe and the idea that there is an energy or force in our universe, he sees wonder and possibilities in nature. He does not rule out the supernatural like I do. I would no more take that from him than you would have someone take your faith. So like you I push back on the harmful things that I know of in religions, and I fight those who use religion to harm others, but have no desire to try to take something positive from anyone. I hope I was able to express that to Fatema. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — January 7, 2019 @ 13:45

                  • You can’t ju

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                    Comment by TheRealFatema — January 5, 2019 @ 01:30

                    • I meant that you can’t judge Islam by Muslims. But you can by a perfect Muslim.
                      By now I know you’re probably sick of my tedious and slightly offensive comments but I hope you understand my feelings for Islam, as I understand your feelings for atheism.
                      PEACE

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                      Comment by TheRealFatema — January 5, 2019 @ 01:32

                    • I do understand your feelings but it has nothing to do with your being abusive. You are in charge of your behavior, no one can make you act out unless you let them, unless you want to do so. A child lashes out when upset or angered or simply unhappy. An adult does not. I have asked you your age. It is getting really important for continuing this that you answer that question. Also it would be nice to have a name to call you other than the blog site that is closed that you use. Think of our interaction as a conversation with someone. Would you go off on them because they know more about a subject than you? Would you insult and belittle them for not being a Muslim or following Islam? Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — January 5, 2019 @ 11:19

                    • I already told you my age. 14, and my name is Fatema. And I don’t despise you for not being a Muslim.

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                      Comment by TheRealFatema — January 5, 2019 @ 11:20

                    • I am curious about your name. Forgive me if I am wrong but I assumed you were male because of you comments, yet when I googled it your name comes backa s a female name in some cultures. Also you need to understand I am not angry or in any way against you because you’re Muslim. I do have issues with you actions, statements, and understandings. Hugs.

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                      Comment by Scottie — January 5, 2019 @ 18:14

                    • Yes, I’m a female. Fatema is a Muslim female name and it was also the name of the Prophet’s daughter, who was and still is a wonderful role model for women.😇

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                      Comment by TheRealFatema — January 6, 2019 @ 00:15

                    • I answered what I could of your questions. I must now go to bed. Be well Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — January 6, 2019 @ 01:09

                    • Hello Fatema. I do wonder why you said “Menstruating females should just shut up”? Your a female, do you think you should be told to just shut up? Isn’t your voice as important as a boys? Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — January 6, 2019 @ 08:55

                    • No, you see I was referring to PMS. As we all know, girls get angry and upset easily during this period of time and that’s why I was using swearwords and getting mad, instead of reasonably talking with you. Haha I bet you thought I was an uneducated psychopath.

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                      Comment by TheRealFatema — January 7, 2019 @ 05:27

                    • As a female, married to a female, and have a daughter. I also have a mother, mother in-law and 2 sisters. My wife has a sister and I have many cousins. I do not know what this “PMS” bullcrap is so many talk about. I think some women use it as an excuse to be a “moody beotch”. /smh

                      hugs

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                      Comment by Michelle Styles — January 7, 2019 @ 11:19

                    • Hello Michelle. I also think some men use what is happening in their life to excuse bad behavior. I think people need to be careful and deal honestly with why they are acting like they are. I an included in that. I lost my temper with Amanda after a while. I nearly lost it with Rohit. I am trying to work on that. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — January 7, 2019 @ 13:12

                    • Hello Fatema, no I thought you were an angry teen boy. I have to admit I do not have much experience of females being angry or disruptive during menstruation, but I am not well versed on the subject. It simply has never come up and no woman I know ever used that as an excuse to act out. I am sorry it makes you actin this manner, I do hope things improve for you. Also I sent you an email. I was wondering if you would mind if I post your email attachment on the proof of God here on my Toy Box as I think others would love to talk with you on it. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — January 7, 2019 @ 12:33

                    • @TheRealFatema. I am sorry I can not get to your comment until this afternoon. I am very busy today. However I will go quickly through the comments you have left that are in moderationa dn if they are not abusive I will clear them and get to them later. Lets try to get on the same page comment wise as it is hard to fully respond to so many different commentas that come in all at once. Also please answer the questions asked of you as I ( we ) try to answer the ones you ask. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — January 5, 2019 @ 11:15

                    • Which questions do you ask? You can ask it on my email fatemasajjad941@gmail.com
                      And please acknowledge the email that I sent to you.

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                      Comment by TheRealFatema — January 5, 2019 @ 11:18

                    • I did and explained why I have not seen it yet. This is why we have to slow down on the comments until we get each others replies. Sorry I am not a young person and I have responsibilities I must get to. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — January 5, 2019 @ 11:29

                    • That doesn’t mean young people don’t have responsibilities. I’m currently having my exam and along with that I have other things to do as well.

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                      Comment by TheRealFatema — January 5, 2019 @ 11:33

                    • Fatema I am going to take you off moderation. I ask you keep being as you are now. Please do not get angry or upset at what people may say and attack them personally, but respond as a reasonable person OK?

                      Yes I understand Fatema, but people your age do not normally have the responsibility to keep a home and provide for their family. I didn’t mean to imply you did not have many things calling your attention and I am sure you have many things including schooling, chores, and family obligations to attend to. However I think you will agree that you have less responsibility to keep you home and supply food than your parents do.
                      I have more free time than most adults my age. But the last few days I have been very busy and not able to give as much time to the computer and therefore to you as I would like to. I was just trying to explain that to you. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — January 5, 2019 @ 18:34

                    • Oh I prefer to deal with as much here on the blog as that way more can share. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — January 5, 2019 @ 11:30

              • Yes, but we are talking anout Islam. I know that a lot of Muslims behave like terrorists but they will definitely get their punishment.

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                Comment by TheRealFatema — January 5, 2019 @ 11:32

                • Fatema, you understand that if a group of people who claim something as their common connection then commit bad actions, people can reasonably say “those people” do this. For example if groups claiming to represent all motorcyclist went around breaking into stores, stealing, and hurting people you would understandably be able to say motorcycle people are thugs and dangerous. Now in my younger days I rode a motorcycle and loved it. I was not any of those things that people thought about motorcyclist, but they had a reason to be worried and question me on it. Too many people who rode motorcycles have been bad people. Not every Muslim is a bad person. But a lot of bad people have claimed to be Muslim. Do you understand the difference ? Hugs

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                  Comment by Scottie — January 5, 2019 @ 18:26

            • blockqoute> According to Abdul Rashied Omar, the majority of modern Islamic jurists continue to regard apostasy as a crime deserving the death penalty.[11] Some regard apostasy in Islam as a form of religious crime, although others do not.
              From Apostasy in Islam https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam
              Hugs

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              Comment by Scottie — October 31, 2018 @ 12:33

              • After the death of Prophet(PBUH), many tribes apostised Islam and a war was waged against them only because they did not follow the rules which was to pay jizya(land tax) and zakat(alms), but they refosed. But the people think of it that Hazrat Abu Bakar, the first Caliph, waged war against them because they apostised Islam when in reality it was because they refused to follow the rules of the state in which they were living in.

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                Comment by Manahil — October 31, 2018 @ 13:05

                • Do you think it correct to have to pay a tax for not believing in a religion? A person can not make themselves believe or disbelieve. If there is no evidence for a thing, how can you believe in it? See why religion shouldn’t be in charge? Hugs

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                  Comment by Scottie — October 31, 2018 @ 13:17

                  • I do see that. About two years ago I was even stupid enough to pray to God to make all religions go away and for all human beings to just live as people with no differences between them. It was not a tax for not believing in a religion. It was a tax for staying in a muslim area. The peopl could move elsewhere where there was no muslim rule then they wouldn’t have to pay tax.

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                    Comment by Manahil — October 31, 2018 @ 13:33

                    • You were not stupid for wanting religion to go away. Religions have caused a lot of problems and still are. No one should have to move away from where they live and no one should lose family over an idea, an old book , even if the book is special. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — October 31, 2018 @ 13:42

                    • Yeah, they shouldn’t, but this exactly how the world works.

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                      Comment by Manahil — October 31, 2018 @ 13:52

                    • We are working to change the world, as you may do when you get a bit older. The problem is the most extreme in all the religions are the ones pushing the hardest to make their religion the law and the government. So people see religions getting more and more extreme and more violent. Even here in the US. We are a secular country but there are religious groups pushing to make us a theocracy like some Islamic countries. Yet they constantly claim how bad Islamic countries are. They don’t’ see what they are doing is the same thing. We just had 11 Jewish people killed because someone thought they were evil just because they were Jewish. That guy will go to prison for the rest of his life. In some countries Buddhist are killing muslims just because they are two different faiths and that enrages some people when their faith is not followed as they demand it be. Question: A lot of religions preach that their faith should be spread to the world and take over all other faiths. How do you feel about that? Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — October 31, 2018 @ 14:19

                    • Islam doesn’t preach to take over all other religions, infact the Quran mentions about christanity and all other books which include Allah and his teachings of oneness. The Quran accepts and tells that these religions are of Allah too, but Islam binds it all and makes it a whole for the rest of humanity

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                      Comment by Manahil — October 31, 2018 @ 14:44

                    • Ah, not quite so. I have read passages in the Quran that calls for taxes to be charge to and paid by non-muslims. I also think the thousands of years of hate / fighting between people of Jewish faith and Islamic faith would not speak to highly about co-existing with other religions.
                      “Islam had become more clearly defined, and the line between Muslims and non-Muslims more sharply drawn. Muslims now lived within an elaborate system of ritual, doctrine and law clearly different from those of non-Muslims. (…) The status of Christians, Jews and Zoroastrians was more precisely defined, and in some ways it was inferior. They were regarded as the ‘People of the Book’, those who possessed a revealed scripture, or ‘People of the Covenant’, with whom compacts of protection had been made. In general they were not forced to convert, but they suffered from restrictions. They paid a special tax; they were not supposed to wear certain colors; they could not marry Muslim women;.”[14]

                      It should be pointed out that most of these laws were elaborations of basic laws concerning non-Muslims (dhimmis) in the Quran. The Quran does not give much detail about the right conduct with non-Muslims, in principle recognizing the religion of “People of the book” (Jews, Christians, and sometimes others as well) and securing a separate tax from them in lieu of the zakat imposed upon Muslim subjects.
                      So again the more extreme versions were applied. This is not a problem only in Islam but in all religions. They all want to be the top one, the ruling one, the one in charge. We would be better off without them. They are simply control devices that are not needed. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — October 31, 2018 @ 15:01

                    • It depends upon every person. Some need rules and guidance in life while others don’t.

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                      Comment by Manahil — November 1, 2018 @ 03:34

                    • Manahil I think we may have a misunderstanding between us. You said you were a 15 year old boy. However your page shows you as a girl. One of the other comment readers pointed out you did say you don’t wear the head covering. I do not care if you are a boy or girl, but I would ask we try to be honest with each other. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — November 1, 2018 @ 08:17

                    • I’m a girl, I never said I’m a boy. I do wear a headscarf, my mom doesn’t. It was my reply to your comment where you said that a boy my age was beaten up by his parents and I told you that this wouldn’t happen to me as my parents don’t force me into anything

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                      Comment by Manahil — November 1, 2018 @ 23:33

                    • Manahil, I apologize for saying you said you were a boy. I have read the conversation over again and you are correct you did not claim to be a boy. It was my interpretation of the conversation. Also you do say you wear the headscarf. For some reason in my mind when you wrote ” . None of my sisters take hijab too.” I took that the wrong way. So again I was incorrect and apologize. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — November 2, 2018 @ 06:27

                    • Oh, that’s ok, I understand.😊

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                      Comment by Manahil — November 2, 2018 @ 06:59

                    • Thank you, but I feel bad about it. I do not like to make such glaring mistakes. PLus it made me feel bad about our conversation as I had a misunderstanding about what was said. Every person has value to me. I tend to treat people as they treat me.

                      So what part of Pakistan are you in? The person I knew online who has disappeared was in Lahore. I worry. The last thing he posted was about a bombing that went off in the city and that he was getting accusations from co-workers about not being religious enough and also they were on him about the wondered if he was gay. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — November 2, 2018 @ 08:37

                    • Ohhh, I hope the person is not dead. People here usually don’t make religion an issue. I wish you could see it yourself. It’s like Islam here is practically vanishing. Very few girls take hijab(a head scarf). Girls wear tight clothings like jeans, short shirts, crop tops, t-shirts, skirts, frocks, but they do wear tights under the frock or skirt. The guys don’t follow the rules either. They don’t follow their dress code. Men stare at women which is not allowed in Islam. Men smoke and drink. Many have girlfriends. Many are even in physical relationships. And Pakistan is not all bad. It’s just that only the bad things are highlighted about it.

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                      Comment by Manahil — November 2, 2018 @ 08:51

                    • I also hope he is not dead. The last posts he made were about a kitten he got. There are good things and bad things about every country, none are perfect. People can only do what we can to make things better for all. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — November 2, 2018 @ 08:57

      • Muslims aren’t perfect, Islam is. For example take a very good car. What if a lousy driver is driving it? Will you say that the car is the one with flaws? Or will you blame the driver? That’s just what you atheists are doing. Blaming the car- namely Islam. You should blame the driver- namely a bad Muslim. Similarly if you take an expert driver and make him drive the car you’ll see how good the car really is. That’s what you should do. Judge Islam not by bad Muslims but by Muslims who are very good at following the commandments of Islam. Please follow this advice.

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        Comment by TheRealFatema — January 4, 2019 @ 09:18

        • Your comparison makes no sense. No one worships cars as holy. Cars do not have passages written from 1600 and more years in the past. You can not even compare these things. Do you still use the first type of automobile to be manufactures? Because you are doing that when you go by a book written so long ago. Hugs

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          Comment by Scottie — January 4, 2019 @ 12:04

  7. Manahil, you can see how religion mis-works at the Moment in the USA; it “leaded” a man to become a terrorist by killing 11 jewish people in Pittsburg recently. And trump the Pump refuses to take Responsibility for what Religion made this terrorist do —
    and for what Trump the pump misused th religions for his aims to win the Midterms by any means —– or wrong.

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    Comment by miles — October 31, 2018 @ 14:07

  8. For MANAHIL:

    the Jesuits (a Christian cult) have a saying: “Give me a boy until the age of seven and he is mine for life!”

    It means simply that if you can control the input to a child’s mind from the earliest you can mould him/her to your own ends, and indoctrinate that child to the point beyond redemption by Rationality.

    This is why I always hammer the point that if Rationality (it simply means understanding reality as it actually is) is to stand a chance then thinking people must teach their kids how to think. Think for themselves, not think as endlessly programmed by any one of the many hundreds of ‘unique’ religions out there.

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    Comment by Argus — October 31, 2018 @ 16:10

  9. I see nothing wrong with your cartoon, Scottie — and to my mind it applies equally to most religions and cults of which I’m aware.

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    Comment by Argus — October 31, 2018 @ 16:12

    • Yes I agree. I think Ben might disagree but for me it is hard ignore the damage and harm religions do. Thank you argus. Do you have any advice for me to be better able to have a dialogue with people such as Manahil? Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — October 31, 2018 @ 16:22

      • Be aware of what you are up against—an organic robot. Islam is a much bigger challenge to Reason than Christianity or Judaism although the spring from the same sources. But Islam takes it that little bit further with noner of this namby-pamby ‘humantiarianism’ stuff—Islam goes for direct for the jugular and is openly about conquest. So don’t expect any form of reason, nor compassion. It’s fun, but only till a point—after which you’ll flush ’em …

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        Comment by Argus — October 31, 2018 @ 17:04

        • Thanks Argus. You all have far more experienced than I do. I thought the longer we talked the less religious and sure of his faith he was. But I also did not tell him he was wrong to have his faith, so maybe that gave him room to move some. I don’t know, I think you guys do this far better than I do. Hugs

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          Comment by Scottie — October 31, 2018 @ 17:47

          • I think your correspondent may be a she rather than a he … but robot is robot either way. It would be fun if they didn’t sidle their way in and then change the laws to outlaw thinking. I hold grave fears for the future of Britain and Europe, but by then I shall be safely dead.

            I hope.

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            Comment by Argus — October 31, 2018 @ 19:11

            • Really? Why do you think the person is female? Do you think I got played and this is a Poe? Shoot I was trying so hard to be reasonable. Hugs

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              Comment by Scottie — October 31, 2018 @ 19:21

              • My mom does not take a hijab, while I do, by my own free will. None of my sisters take hijab too.

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                Comment by Nan — October 31, 2018 @ 19:36

                • Shoot I missed that. Dang. Thanks all. Hugs

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                  Comment by Scottie — October 31, 2018 @ 19:47

                • Manahil is a Muslim Girl name, it is an Urdu originated name. Manahil name meaning is Spring of fresh water and the lucky number associated with Manahil is 4. Find all the relevant details about the Manahil Meaning, Origin, Lucky Number and Religion from this page.
                  Manahil Name Meaning in Urdu – مناهل Muslim girl Name Meaning …
                  https://hamariweb.com/names/muslim/urdu/girl/manahil-meaning_45067

                  Yup I got played. Dang most of my day gone trying to be nice and talk to someone I thought was honest. Rather discouraged. Hugs

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                  Comment by Scottie — October 31, 2018 @ 19:52

              • I clicked on her icon and tracked back a wee bit. (If it’s a guy he sure looks quite cute …)

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                Comment by Argus — October 31, 2018 @ 19:42

                • Guess I was a fool. I took things at face value. I got trolled. Shit. Thanks anyway. Hugs

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                  Comment by Scottie — October 31, 2018 @ 19:48

                • I just looked up the name. See my reply to Nan. I am really depressed right now. I thought I was being nice to someone who was just playing me. Sucks. Hugs

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                  Comment by Scottie — October 31, 2018 @ 19:53

                  • I didn’t read the entire conversation, but from what I did read, I didn’t get the impression you got “played.” I think she just went along with the idea of being a male instead of correcting you. But I could be wrong … as I said, I didn’t read everything between the two of you.

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                    Comment by Nan — October 31, 2018 @ 20:25

                  • Never hurts to be nice (it gets right up the snouts of the ‘not nice’, which is win/win for the nice).

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                    Comment by Argus — October 31, 2018 @ 21:36

  10. Dear Scottie, This cartoon you “diskussion ” started with is fruitless from the beginning:
    The cartoon’s topic is more or less the IS. As long, as you do not difine, what Islam you will talk about and this is consensus with the one you will diskuss that Islam, your trials will lead into nowhere. There is Manahils idealized Islam There is that plarctical islam in Pakistan with terror- attacks in- and outside Pakistan. Inside right now it is the roaring Ultraconservative Islam because of this absolved woman.
    The next to decide on would be if one would discuss Sunna or Shia .
    Start to decide: 🙂 and have fun, I would dare to discuss the differen christian religions, as long as they do not unite in “Whites First” as in the USA since short time, or when they unite in promoting Murder, as also seen in the USA lately.

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    Comment by miles — November 2, 2018 @ 11:22

    • Hello Miles. I agree there are different versions of Islam as there is with Christianity and the extremes of both religion are harsh.

      I am enjoying the conversation with Manihil, because she is being nice and decent. As you know often when you talk religion with someone they get belligerent and in your face, which makes me react in the same manner. As you may have read I use to correspond with a person in her country and he just disappeared. I learned a lot about her country from his letters and posts. Here in the US we here only the worst things about most other countries, especially Islamic countries. It is nice to know there are some decent people there also. Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — November 2, 2018 @ 13:52

      • islam is full of very decent people. 1.2 billion Muslims. A small percent are radical people who wish to harm others. Of my professors I still corresponde with them. They are polite, respectful and peaceful people. Like Islam there are bad Christians. They are the vocal minority who spew hate and evil. Religion can be a tool for peace or a tool of evil.

        But I would bet if you meet many Muslims and Christians alike you’d see there are good and bad in each but the majority are good and decent people.

        hugs my friend, I’ll be surfing Sunday as competition begins. But for now a little down time to enjoy.

        If you get to visit a Muslim country I think your experience will vary based on the country. I lovd maldives which is a Muslim nation. I felt safe, respected and secure the whole time. I visited Bali again in a Muslim nation. Again I felt safe, welcomed and secure. I visited Morocco and I did not have the same feeling. As a woman I felt unsafe and the way we were treated was rude. All Muslim nations, very different mix of people and very differnt experiences.

        I believe it does depend on the radiacal element and how pervasive it is in that particular area of the world.

        hugs

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        Comment by Michelle Styles — November 2, 2018 @ 14:03

        • Well said Michelle , very well said. As I explained to Manahil this morning we are just talking and sharing ideas and thoughts. It is not a debate and neither of us is trying to change the other, we are sharing. She mentioned she feels she doesn’t know enough about Islam to talk too much about it, and I told her she knows far more than I do. She is there , she lives it, she experiences it, while my knowledge is basically reading and news videos.

          The only time I fight back against any religion is when that religion is used to attack me or others. I do not wish to undermine a personal code of conduct or ethics, I just don’t want people to force me to live by the rules of their religion. I admit I have a bit of a bad taste for religions because as a gay man they have been used to attack me personally all my life.

          Hey best wishes on your surfing event. I hope you do very well. Best wishes and gain thanks for helping me and Manahil out. Hugs

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          Comment by Scottie — November 2, 2018 @ 14:13

        • Absolutely correct… If some person is bad you can’t directly blame his/her religious belief…. Every religion do have good and bad people…. If we look at history of islam it was prosperous… Have a look please

          http://newsinfield.com/islamic-golden-age-persecuted-present/

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          Comment by newsinfield (www.newsinfield.com) — December 11, 2018 @ 22:33

  11. Have a look at Islamic history… Muslims may be wrong but not Islam…

    http://newsinfield.com/islamic-golden-age-persecuted-present/

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    Comment by newsinfield (www.newsinfield.com) — December 11, 2018 @ 22:30

    • I disagree with your statement that “Muslims maybe wrong but not Islam”. If you are implying the Koran is fully factual, then we disagree. Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — December 12, 2018 @ 05:36

      • Hi Scottie,

        Hope you are doing well.
        Yes this is what I believe that Quran is fully factual and if something we can’t understand from Quran that doesn’t means it is incorrect…it means we are not yet been able to understand that phenomenon… May be with advancements in Science and technology later we can fully grasp it’s actual meaning….

        Best Regards

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        Comment by newsinfield (www.newsinfield.com) — December 12, 2018 @ 14:00

        • So you believe a horse with wings took Mohammad to heaven? Biologically that is simply not possible. It is a fable, and OK as a fable, but not as a historical fact. Hugs

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          Comment by Scottie — December 12, 2018 @ 14:05

  12. Yes I do believe… So you are referring to SHAB-E MIRAJ ( Ascent of Prophet Muhammad ) and regarding horse you are referring to Burraq.

    Hadiths clearly state that Burraq is a white mule-like animal. There is no mention of wings. Only earthly animals with material bodies need wings to fly against the gravitational force.
    The basic constituent of Burraq’s body, as the word indicates, is “electrical energy”, instead of the elements of earth. There is nothing unscientific about this. The realities pertaining to the subjects which science has not covered yet cannot be termed unscientific. Science has not comprehended till date, the subject of spirits and spiritual bodies.

    There are a large number of Allah’s creations that are invisible to human eyes, as human sight can only comprehend the matter and not energy. The angels and the Jinns possess non-material bodies constituted of light and heat energies. The existence of other beings should not be unbelievable.

    And yes I believe in jinn and angel and it is not unscientific… We live in a very tiny part of solar system and we assume we understand the universe…this assumption itself is incorrect…we are scientifically developing and trying to reach other planets to understand and explore…yet our knowledge is not even 10% of whole universe….
    I hope you understand what I am trying to convey….

    Best Regards

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    Comment by newsinfield (www.newsinfield.com) — December 12, 2018 @ 14:17

    • No sorry, mules do not raise into the air unless it is a tornado or hurricane. There is no animal that is made up of only electrical energy.

      There are no beings with out bodies, there is nothing magical or supernatural in the world. The supernatural has never been proven and in fact can not be proven.

      There are no Jinns and no angels with supernatural powers. You say we live in a tiny part of the universe, and that is true. But we understand the nature of the universe we living in. And for an animal or a being to exist on this planet in our reality it needs a physical body.

      Side point, ever wonder why all this magical mystical stuff stopped being part of every day life when we humans gained the ability to record, document and analyze them.

      Look as a fable, as a story, as a life guide maybe the Koran and associated books might have a use. They are not however historical fact, they did not predict science not known at the time, and they are not with out errors.

      In case you feel I am picking on Islam unreasonably know I take the same view of all holy books and texts. I treat the bible the same as I do the Koran. I have nothing but scorn for any Christian who thinks the bible is completely true and with out error.

      I hope you understand what I am trying to convey. Have a good one. Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — December 12, 2018 @ 14:34

      • Yes totally agree..it’s upto the person to believe it or not.
        And being a rational mind and doing our own analysis is the best part. More power to you!

        Regards

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        Comment by newsinfield (www.newsinfield.com) — December 12, 2018 @ 14:45

        • Be well. Thanks for stopping by, and come back again. There are many things on my Toy Box other than religion so you may find something you like here. Be well. Hugs

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          Comment by Scottie — December 12, 2018 @ 14:47

          • Yes sure I will definitely visit…and I am curious to know too….
            As you agreed that we live in tiny part of universe… Yes Our observable universe (the one we can detect with today’s equipment) consists roughly of 100 billion galaxies with each galaxy consisting of about 100 billion stars. (Number of observable stars = 100bln x 100bln; that’s one with 22 zeroes next to it).

            If you can count 23,000 stars per second you will need more than 13 billion years to finish counting!!! 🤔🤔

            Aldo to add a point, this observable universe is just a fraction of the entire universe. 

            So we can agree on one point that seeking knowledge is never-ending process and in the meantime we will discover many unknown unbelievable facts….

            So Happy learning….😊😊

            Best Regards

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            Comment by newsinfield (www.newsinfield.com) — December 12, 2018 @ 16:03

            • Hello News. I think there is a lot we can agree on. I am also not interested in forcing anyone to change their mind if they are not harming my self or others. I have no bias against a person with a personal belief or code for living life as long as they allow others to do so also. The only time I am anti-theist is when a theist uses their religion to bash or harm others, or force others to live according to the theist religious beliefs. I also do not like teaching kids religion before they are old enough to judge the ideas for themselves. To tell a little kid they are going to be punished for ever and ever if they don’t please an invisible being they can hardly grasp.

              To the observable universe I find it fascinating that the universe is expanding faster than the speed of light. It doesn’t violate the laws of light speed because the it self is growing, which means we will never be able to see the edges of the universe and will eventually be alone in our own little spot.

              Science is a wondrous tool we have learned to use. Medications, biology, geology, paleontology, astrophysics , and physics and so much more.

              Be well. Hugs

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              Comment by Scottie — December 12, 2018 @ 16:37

      • A large enough catapult would raise a mule into the air….
        Why is there a highway to hell but only a stairway to heaven? Thing that make you go hmmmm!

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        Comment by Michelle Styles — December 13, 2018 @ 09:48

  13. 😀 Oh, very interesting stuff! “This Book is not to be doubted…. As for the unbelievers, it is the same whether or not you forewarn them; they will not have faith. God has set a seal upon their hearts and ears; their sight is dimmed and grievous punishment awaits them.”

    Quran 2:1/2:6-2:10

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    Comment by inspiredbythedivine1 — December 12, 2018 @ 15:08

  14. For myself I know very little about Islam (and I hope it stays that way~!). Brrrr.

    I’ve stated before and shall say so again that Islam was/is a system created by a very clever man to establish great wealth and power. Clever, with a wide grasp of human nature—and entirely ruthless.

    Definitely not a humanist.

    There’s theory, and there’s fact. Theory can often be picked through by the less scrupulous to isolate gems that reinforce and justify their own world views. Burning someone at the stake might seem to us today to be a wee bit unkind, but hey, the justification was that the Good Book commanded it—and it liberated souls to return to their maker. Win/win all ’round, no?

    Any system can be perverted by the unscrupulous and Islam is a major contender. So for myself I justify my own actions against my own standards, and my datum before I do anything to anyone else is “Would I like this done to me?”

    Islam and Christianity (and anything else that slithered out of the Middle East) (Abraham, I’m referring to you, you antisocial bastard) are NOT systems for salvation but simply systems to enslave the minds—and thereby the bodies—of men. Men, note—females seem lesser beings (in Islam especially) despite the apologia.

    I tried to read the Koran—not as she should be read, ‘cos I don’t do Arabic—but I couldn’t get past the repetitive and hypnotic chanting phrases. Take them out and the vast tome becomes a pamphlet.

    I say again:

    Contradictions do NOT exist.
    If ever you find an apparent contradiction, look to its premises because at least one of them is false.

    I have to ask: are there any apparent contradictions in the Koran? The Bible? ANY ‘holy’ book at all?

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    Comment by Argus — December 12, 2018 @ 15:46

    • To believe every word of this he would have to be killing people like you, me and Scottie.
      “This is what Allah says… ‘Now go and strike the Infidel and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.” Surah 27:63

      He has to believe woman are property to be bought and sold and owned by men.
      “A Wife, must submit to her husband as to Allah.” – Surah 5:22

      “When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again.” – Surah 21: 7-8

      He has to believe in death to gay people.
      “The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: If you find anyone doing as Lot’s people did, kill the one who does it, and the one to whom it is done (38:4447).”

      You see one can’t claim the book is perfect and not practice these as perfect law. This is where the extremes of Islam come from.

      —-I could go on and on.
      hugs

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      Comment by Michelle Styles — December 13, 2018 @ 09:58

      • Thank you Michelle. You are a great resource on this subject. I am like Argus, all I know know of the Koran is what I have seen or heard on other blogs,, which is little but also could be wrong. Be well. I wish a happy wonderful holiday for you and your family. Hugs

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        Comment by Scottie — December 13, 2018 @ 10:05

      • I have a high nausea threshold but the sickness that is Allahism turns my stomach to the point where I find it hard to be civil. I still don’t comprehend the ravings that exhort people to murder innocents—even “ox and sheep, camel and donkey”. Even worse, the shitbags that never query …

        So without getting into politics: what were Angela Merkel’s motives in importing vast numbers of murderous rapine primeval thugs into Europe and setting them loose?

        In Quality Assurance they have a maxim “Always ask ‘why’ at least five times” (and you will get into the ballpark of motivations). Be prepared, if you do, for incomprehensible darkness. Yeuch

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        Comment by Argus — December 13, 2018 @ 15:39

        • Argus, I disagree with your assessment of “… vast numbers of murderous rapine primeval thugs into Europe and setting them loose?”. The fact is these were refuges and many nations have been able to take them in and not suffer adverse conditions. I am sure there are occasional problems, but here in the US we have found that the native born commit far more crimes than immigrants. To classify all of a group by the worst stereotype of all that group is bigotry. Just as not all Christians are fundamentalist calling for the death of LGBTQ people, not all Muslims are monsters out to kill all non-Muslims. Hugs

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          Comment by Scottie — December 14, 2018 @ 12:17

          • Not all Nazis ate Jewish babies either … quite a few in fact were devoted family folks (and devout Christians). Sadly, for me I see all religious maniacs as a threat.

            I say again (and have not been challenged on it): Islam is a system created by a very very clever man for one purpose. Conquest.

            Flooding Europe with refugees—”lepers openly displaying their sores”—is one way of doing it.

            For whatever reason nobody listens when I quote The Law of Contradiction (oh, and mention Human Nature as an aside) but we have only to look at the tides of history.

            We all have the ability to ‘compartmentalise’ our thinking and it will be our downfall. Then again, perhaps ol’ Mo was right … if instead of resisting we join them, invite them in in their millions, and subsidise their many wives and fecund reproduction … eventually the world will be ‘One nation under God’.

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            Comment by Argus — December 14, 2018 @ 14:04

            • Argus, simple fact not every Muslim is an extremist just as not every Christian belongs to the Westboro Baptist Church. There are good Muslims just as there are good Christians. Not everyone is going to be an angel and not everyone will be a devil. I am pretty anti-theist and anti-religion, but even I don’t lump them all in one sack.

              On the refugees fleeing war and starvation I take it you would rather they stayed out of the nice Europe countries and simply died where they were? Very understanding of you. Sorry I do not think every one seeking refuge on my countries southern border is a terrorist and I don’t buy it that every Muslim entering Europe is one either. It simply defies reason. Hugs

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              Comment by Scottie — December 14, 2018 @ 14:28

              • Me neither, Scottie.

                Now look at history and human nature, and project trends. A clue here—what are regarded as the basics of human existence? Food, clothing, shelter make a good start. What happens when they are assured?

                For me it’s all academic anyway. I would find it easy to open fire on an enemy ship in the distance firing back; but on a crowded boat filled with unarmed refugees? So we lose by default … and despite the fact that (as Lawrence of Arabia mentioned in one of his works) Arabs ‘in the field’ practised homosexuality … in Mecca being gay these days can well be a death penalty. In Europe being a witch was once a death penalty too—I think the ‘crime’ is in not toeing the ruling party-line. Conform to the current Power and you get to live (if you can call it living).

                Islam allows four wives and all the kids you want. Provided, of course, all are Islamics. And to try to leave Islam is to invite a well deserved death sentence. Freedom, no?

                Thank God I (a) am an atheist, and (b) won’t be around when Islam wins and takes over. Which it will. Uncle Mo lit a very long fuze …

                Look to the Law of Contradiction, Scottie.

                And you are right: it is understanding of me.

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                Comment by Argus — December 14, 2018 @ 14:49

                • Hello Argus. The first part I can agree with you. The second part I think you are letting fear over ride reason.

                  In an Islamic country run by the most extreme parts of Islam, yes to leave the faith is very risky. However as I recently learned from Michelle who travels the world, there are many countries she goes to that are Muslim majority that are no threat and are just like any other country. I thought all countries with a Muslim majority would be restrictive and regressive. I was wrong. Look back at her comments.

                  Why do you think Islam will take over? Do you distrust your fellow countrymen so much? Do you distrust your systems of democratic government? World wide religion is declining. Yes of the worlds religions Islam is gaining, but think, most of that is due to repression in fundamentalist countries and to a softening of the religion in advanced societies. I think it will come down to a rising non-religious vrs extreme Islam. I think Islam will lose. Already in places like Iran the younger generations can not stand the regressive restrictive natures of Islam. It is begin propped up by an old guard and that old guard is dying off. We have to encourage more movement and trade between the western countries and the Islamic ones, so that they will see how much more fun can be had by not being a life long prick. That is how we took down the USSR and the Berlin wall. We keep showing them what we had they did not. They wanted it, so they finally rebelled.

                  I guess I just don’t fear Muslims will suddenly over run my country and change the form of government we have. It is the damn wealthy and the fundamentalist Christians doing that here. See the very things you claim Muslims will do, fundamentalist Christians are doing right now in the US. They are deep now in the government. But you have already heard me bitch about the attempt to simply define LGBTQ out of existence. Hugs

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                  Comment by Scottie — December 14, 2018 @ 15:10

            • As a German since my birth I can say: You are so full of prejudice. Does trump eat Mexican babies?!
              Nazis religion was Hitler and his racism.
              So much contempt in your words and in your head.
              Close to one Million refugees came to Germany since 2015 – the number has rapidly decreeased since then-, already 400 000 are in Jobs already – since only 2015, as industry says. Really a great part of those who have come, left Germany already, even without being sent back.
              Argus, you seem to get too great a part of your information from AfD-Party ideologists in Germany or from trumps ideologists.
              Your Avatar – an Attac-dog – seems to characterize you well?
              Could you sometimes comment on empathy please.?

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              Comment by miles — December 14, 2018 @ 14:58

              • Miles I think Argus is looking at Muslim things from being in a very small country and the fear that if they take in a large amount of any other group they will lose their way of life. He seems to be worried specifically about Muslims taking over his country. I do not agree with him, but it is good for him to tell us his fears so we can use reason to refute them. I know talk of the Nazis upsets you and with good reason. Please try not to get too upset, you are important to me. Hugs

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                Comment by Scottie — December 14, 2018 @ 15:14

                • SCOTTIE:

                  sadly not limited to my own very small country. With apologies where due (if due?) I cheerfully use Nazis by way of illustration. German was (for all I know, might still be?) one of the great founts of wisdom in this world. And yet …
                  So if it could happen there it can happen anywhere. Hence my often quoted “Semper Vigilans”.

                  Vigilance, but against what?
                  I’m old and with no progeny so nothing to lose.
                  Nothing except a legacy of hard-won freedoms.
                  So why do I care? Perhaps I should indeed curl up with my photography and turn a blind eye to possibilities; as it says in the Bible: “Let the dead bury their dead”. Kismet.

                  Less angst … in fact I shall, I’m getting a bit tired lately. Onwards, then, to the ‘Dreaming Cavalier’ …

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                  Comment by Argus — December 14, 2018 @ 15:54

                  • Hello Argus, I think this time you misinterpreted my response about the size of your country. What I was trying to say was that a country was large as mine or countries of great size can take in a far larger number of immigrants and refugees than can a smaller less populated country. If I remember correctly you are from New Zealand? I could see how a large influx of a religious people of any religion could be a threat to the existing ways. And also as we get older many of us grow resistant to change. I am lucky in that , my grandfather taught me the world moves on with us, or with out us, and it is better if we move with it.

                    Argus, I do not want your country nor any other “overwhelmed” but I do think if your societies have something great about them, let it shine dude, let it shine. Show those who come to your shore the better way you have. it will all work out if we can only be decent to each other, and fight those who are not. Hugs

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                    Comment by Scottie — December 14, 2018 @ 16:08

              • I am anti-Nazi (and all similar in thought). I am NOT anti-German, I enjoyed my too brief visit to Germany very much.
                As for Naziism, it can happen almost anywhere and under any guise. Semper vigilans.

                I use subtlety in my wordings, nuances in the English language which those not ‘to the manner born’ may well miss; I often play Devil’s Advocate and when all else fails am blatantly sarcastic.

                Contempt? Indeed … but I think you miss my reasons and motivations.

                You are correct, I do hold in utter contempt people who deny Reality. I’m told that fatal cancers originate from just one rogue cell—how true this is I have no idea, but it carries the “ring (sound) or Truth”. I look at history and fear Islam.

                My information comes from too brief readings of fairly eclectic sources; and my own interpretations based on a lifetime of experiences.

                My avatar was chosen after a fair deal of thought. British Bull Terriers rarely start fights but often finish them—I discovered this to be a truism when on occasion (my own dog on a leash in public) other dogs charged over and attacked him. Once was when just a youngster only approaching his prime a laughing idiot allowed his Alsatian to attack him—great joke— so I simply let go of the leash.
                Ever seen a grown idiot panic?

                I intend no insult to anyone who doesn’t deserve it, if I unintentionally offend—that’s my bad and I apologise. But no apology if I intend to offend. None at all.

                Empathy? Are you familiar with the concept of ‘the Crying Clown’?

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                Comment by Argus — December 14, 2018 @ 15:33

                • But what is your reality? So you fear 1,1% of muslims in America or are you not an American citizen? They account for 24% of the murders in the US; But what do numbers in % tell?? – anbd how are they collected ?
                  I told here before, that in Germany the numbers of white Terroris were ZERO for a long time, I believed in the numbers until I found out that the Police had no category to report rightwing attacks. 🙂
                  And haven’t I read , that white Religious murderers dont count any longer in the US-Police statistics, you better fear them.
                  “I look at history and fear Islam.” What did you see in History? – other? – than you could find manyfold about christians
                  “from too brief readings of fairly eclectic sources;” I read from Morning until Night. – and do have never enough infos.
                  ” but I think you miss my reasons and motivations.” So tell us.
                  from too brief readings —. does that mean, you are mostly reading headlines? No, dear man, that could never be enough, to make up ones mind, that is is only enough for making up prejudices.
                  “British Bull Terriers”: Did you educate him? For what purpose?
                  “Empathy? Are you familiar with the concept of ‘the Crying Clown’?”
                  know what:? Answering a question with a counterquestion is a means of bad politicians. We should not do like them.

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                  Comment by miles — December 14, 2018 @ 16:29

                  • Wow~! That’s a lot of answer to answer …

                    I am not American, and my own country is an insignificant bunch of little dots waaaaaayyyyy down at the bottom of the map. Beyond here be penguins …

                    I look at history and (you’ll love this bit) fear religious bigots. Actually I dislike bigotry of any kind but the religious I actually fear, much as I fear mad dogs.

                    With reference to my readings, I read headlines, yes; and on occasion I think about what I read. I relate what I’m told with what I know, and what I think I know.

                    My dog? Educate him? No … being a cheerful clown is in their nature, very social and trustworthy pets. Also very capable when need be. Sadly scum too get hold of them—but who am I to judge?

                    Easy answer there, we should ALL judge. If ever anyone tells you to “judge not, lest thee be judged” you’ve found yourself a person with his eyes firmly targeting your wallet.

                    And often answering a question with a counter question is a valid tactic—what makes you think it isn’t?

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                    Comment by Argus — December 14, 2018 @ 21:45

                    • Well Argus, some 20 years ago, when I was a teache r- bein in the age of around 55 years, I had an exchange student in one of my classes, who was 14 years old; he was from the Southern Isle of New Zealand. and I have to confess, that his kind of thinking, was soo far away from mine, that he simply was out of my grasp. He tried in German I tried in English, but we never could establish a really personal contact o each other. I tried, and he tried too, but we both didn’t succeed. Mind you Argus, I understood his worsds and he understood mine. But really, most of time I didnt know, what he was talking about. And when I looked in his face, I saw, that he too didnt know, what I was tryin to explain to him. These talks were not about simply facts, but more on attitudes. This boy was the only one in my life, that I could not establish any positive contact with. I could not grasp what his thoughts were. Not even a whole year of “knowing” him, changed that. He was kind of an eternal puzzle to me – I could not fit the parts of him into a whole.
                      In the meantime I have thought lots about him, and I think it must have been his totally different life situation and lifeconditions he grew up with., that must have formed him to being soo totally different from all my experiences, I had collected up to an age of approx. 55 years.

                      Why do I write all this??

                      With you, Argus, just the same seems to happen, as with that boy 20 years ago.
                      So I give up answering your comments.
                      Sorry, you are a person like a sealed book to me. Excuse me.
                      I just see a person with rough edges but mostly not known to me.

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                      Comment by miles — December 15, 2018 @ 06:44

              • See: made a mistake: the number of refugee already in a job is not 400000 but 300000 refugees are already in a job, that is 1/3 of those arrived.
                Sorry.

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                Comment by miles — December 14, 2018 @ 16:54

                • Miles:

                  We are indeed products of birth, heredity, and environment.
                  Some folks are strictly limited to ‘reality’, others can expand their horizons by active use of imagination. (In all of my life I’ve only ever known two—just two—people devoid of a sense of humour.)

                  I still think of this world/universe as a huge robot robotically following the courses set by natural laws; and if God exists He too has no option but to plod the courses He set out billions of years ago. The omnipotent omniscient has no power to change or cause change, but worse, He alone in the universe doesn’t even have the notion of ‘Free Will’. (Existence must be sheer hell for Him …)

                  New Zealanders are breeds apart.

                  We too are organic robots, but our programming is a little different—we are allowed a bit more independent thought. It’s difficult for rigid minds to relate to or understand the concept of independence, and as we assimilate we are losing our heritage. In a few generations more we will be like the rest of the world.

                  New Zealanders are indeed a peculiar mix of independence and strict robotism—and unless ‘to the manner born’ outsiders can find us/them difficult.

                  Establish a personal contact? Have you considered that he was from a different world and that his history, environment, motivations—his everything, is quite foreign to you?

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                  Comment by Argus — December 15, 2018 @ 14:53

                  • @ Argus @ Miles. I am enjoying your conversation and I want it to continue as there is great value in it. I just want you both to know that reading along as I do, I have sort of lost track of the main points each of you are making. Maybe I am alone on this, but you guys are having such a grand conversation I want to understand each part. Right now I have gaps in my understanding. I hope as you keep talking I will understand more. Sorry for interrupting you, and I think you both have insights we need to explore. Hugs

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                    Comment by Scottie — December 15, 2018 @ 15:50

                  • hi Argus, thanks for your reply.
                    Yes, I considered that the 14 year old was from a different ‘everything’, that was, why I didnt comprehend what he was wanting to tell me. The other youngsters in the classroom seemed to have antennas to understand and comprehend just everything. Mind you, he and I were together for a whole year, and slowly it came to my mind, that it just was not only him being different, I was also different. My youth was a big catastrophe: both my parents dead, before I was 5. and because of 2WW I was nearly dead and starved. They put me in a clinic in Berlin, where I have been for 11 and a half month – with all kids-illnesses you can think of. And I was just alone with the clinic personnel , mainly nuns and docs.
                    This must have been of great influence through my whole youth. There have to be lots of parts of a ‘normal socialization’ missing. Could that boy notice that? The other students did not notice, I believe, until I told them – and I did tell them when my students were 15.
                    Why am I telling you that. Its a try to do this 14 year old boy some late justice. Maybe he sometimes thinks / feels back to his year in Germany, And maybe he finds in his memory some thought , that might help him understand. I know this happens sometimes. 🙂

                    In contrast to your thinking, I don’t feel as a robot, and in my thinking god has no space since I become 18 years old , and freed me of fear of any god. I have freed myself of any god, so, that I dont have to know, what made the world come into existace.
                    ” and as we assimilate we are losing our heritage. In a few generations more we will be like the rest of the world.”
                    If you fall for capitalism, you most probably will be right ;), that will cost you your ever soo special identity.
                    I hope you are not indignant, for me getting personal a bit.
                    Argus, I wish you all the best down-under enjoy the penguins We can only see them in the Zoo ;). I confess, I really dont know much about your country;

                    I promise, I shall be more open, if I read something about New Zealand in the future. 🙂

                    miles from Germany

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                    Comment by miles — December 15, 2018 @ 16:57

                    • It’s not easy to break out and take a detached view of the world (damn’ nigh impossible, in fact); we imbibe our founding prejudices along with mother’s milk (the others have to be acquired).

                      The answer (according to the Great Dog Argus) must lie in education.
                      Let education be the delivering of facts, sure, but only after we have first taught ’em how to actually think. (As Hamlet says “… there’s the rub …” ~!)

                      To think? Give ’em the basic laws of thought—if nothing at all else, give them the most essential tool which is The Law of Contradiction; a law to the effect that “Contradictions cannot exist, and if you find an apparent contradiction look to its premises because at least one of them is false”.

                      As for New Zealand, there are worse places. Much worse …

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                      Comment by Argus — December 15, 2018 @ 22:57

                    • And for what it is worth, Miles, I doubt very much that the lad held any grudge, or holds it now if he ever did. We do the best we can with what we’ve got, no? It was an entirely different world back then. Peace …

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                      Comment by Argus — December 15, 2018 @ 23:02

                    • The only reply-button
                      .As for New Zealand, there are worse places. Much worse

                      Hi Argus, Soo true
                      know what I found? : New Zeland is just a bit smaller then G. , and it has just 5.5 Mill. inhabitants I just know two of them a lil bit: 🙂 Down there you must have lots of active vulkans , the latest great outbrake was in 2011?
                      How warm is it right now in summer? And – know what I found – some small isles southwest of Steward Isle. Any living creaturs there besides prob. penguines? 🙂
                      Just heard your National Anthem: really very ceremonious.
                      12 time-zones away, starting your day right now on Monday? In a country, still with less stress? But lots of green forests and a very impressive whitecapped mountain-Range in the south.
                      Argus, 20 years ago I didnt have all that info, and I hadn’t seen a picture of your beautiful country. The only knowledge of New Zealand I had from ONE side in my school-atlas as an attachment far away SE of Australia, which had itself 4 sides of the more than 200 pages of my atlas. I was so stupid than, that I didn’t dare aking that young New Zealand boy about his where-abouts and his country. I didnt want him think that I was curious 🙂
                      As you notice now, I have not much interest in diskussing Islam, although we have in Germany nearly 10% of them – from 82 Million From Turkey – they had come to our country as workers in the coalmines, now there came lots of reefugee fleeing the wars in Syria, North Africa and Afghanistan.One Million alltogether and as I told 300 000 are in jobs already.
                      Since how many generations do you live in new Zealand If you don’t mind me asking?
                      Argus I whish you all the best, might I see you again on Scotties toybox?
                      miles from Germany

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                      Comment by miles — December 16, 2018 @ 14:48

                    • Hello Miles. You may be interested in a web site where a bunch of us go to, Argus included , run by a smart author who goes by ARK. The discussions on his page run some times into the hundreds. He also post a lot of photos of the different species that come to his home. He even turned the swimming pool in a fish pond. I think you will enjoy his blog. Hugs

                      https://attaleuntold.wordpress.com/

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                      Comment by Scottie — December 16, 2018 @ 15:35

  15. Recycling from Insp’s inspired comment above:

    “This Book is not to be doubted…. As for the unbelievers, it is the same whether or not you forewarn them; they will not have faith. God has set a seal upon their hearts and ears; their sight is dimmed and grievous punishment awaits them.”

    I have to ask (as I do the Christians of their God, whom I believe is the same divinity) (different franchises, that’s all)—

    —Is God then a colossal bloody sadist?

    God set the seal on their hearts—so in simple terms, they have no alternative but to be sinners. Established by Act of God, no less.
    And what do we do with sinners, hmmmm? Into the pit with the buggers and no time off for good behaviour.

    I prefer Islam if that eternity of boozing and whoring is to be believed … sure beats singing praises to an incomparable ego-maniac.

    As for not doubting—any book that enters like that blows credibility right from the start: what the hell was its author so afraid of?

    Speak up … oh, yes—

    —the Truth. Gotcha.

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    Comment by Argus — December 12, 2018 @ 21:47

  16. This is such an untrue post!!! Islam is not created from these hateful ingredients you b*tch!!! Islam is created from love and peace and gives equal rights to everyone! Why don’t you criticize christianity instead and leave the poor Muslims alone!?? We are decent people so you mind your own business. Whoever made this cartoon of the Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H) will get thrown into Hell!!!!

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    Comment by TheRealFatema — January 3, 2019 @ 03:56

    • I am approving your comment only to show how much love you really have. You start out name calling, then move to showing you know nothing of my channel. You are so decent you then threaten someone you don’t know with an eternal punishment. You are really a nasty piece of work based on your actions, and if you speak for the love of your prophet and deity, they fail as do you. One last thing, moderate your self better next time you comment, my rule here is you can criticize any idea or post, you may NOT insult or give personal attacks to others here. Do that and you will be banned. Clear. Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — January 3, 2019 @ 14:55

      • He should try me on for size. I probably know his book better than he does. /lol
        Hugs
        You handled that well my friend.

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        Comment by Michelle Styles — January 3, 2019 @ 15:20

        • Yes! You sure do. I am not against the people of Islamic faith who live their lives the best they can , harming as few as possible and respecting as many as they can. That is what we all do. I am not against the Christians who have changed their understanding of their deity to include others and do not use their god to bash anyone. Nor do I have anger at any other people just trying to make it without harming anyone else of any faith.
          I admit I have seen no evidence for the gods or deities they speak of so I do not believe. I would like to say I have a hope there is more to us than this life, a connection to the universe in some way.
          But I do not know. It is the ones of any religion that are like the cartoon, hateful, vengeful, harmful to life and peace… that I abhor and fight back against. I should change the title of the cartoon to reflect this, but I felt those who come to my blog would see that. I also like talking to people like Manahil who showed me there was decent muslims, and a growing wonderful accepting muslim youth in her country as I felt they were only in the west. I have to get to those links you sent, I still haven’t read through the information you sent. I want to get to them before I forget. Thanks again. Hugs

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          Comment by Scottie — January 3, 2019 @ 15:41

          • If you not believe in God, let me tell you a story. Once there was an atheist and he was studying different religions and his friend asked him if he had studied Islam, but he was like of course not, why would I ? They are terrorists and all but when he finally did study Islam he loved the religion. He asked different Muslims for their opinion on Islam and the Muslims said that no, why would we have an opinion about these beautiful words that God himself said? He was really touched by these words and Investigated Islam more. At last he decided to become an Muslim but he said that it was like he was standing at the end of a mountain and he needed to fall down but he just needed one push that would make him fall down- he needed a push into Islam. So one night he said to Allah that please just give me one sign that you exist and I will convert to a Muslim. Nothing happened even when he said it three times but when he looked down at the Qur’an in front of him he saw the verse “For the people who want signs, haven’t you seen enough?” Enough meaning the day, night, sun, moon, of course there’s someone who created all these things so he converted to Islam. This is a true story about which I have seen a YouTube video where the man himself was narrating it. Hope this convinces you to convert to a Muslim as well, because if you do, you will not regret it.
            PEACE

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            Comment by TheRealFatema — January 4, 2019 @ 03:12

            • How old are you? Do you believe every fable and every myth presented to you? Do you understand the difference between an anecdote and evidence?

              “…these beautiful words that God himself said?” Please show how you know this, how you can prove it, and please use empirical evidence. There is no empirical evidence as religious belief is based on faith. Your feelings are not evidence. Your inability to imagine any other way or your lack of knowledge of another way for things to be other than your god is not evidence. You need to understand a god is a supernatural construct. the natural world so far has show no proveable interference or action of the supernatural. There is no testable evidence because there is no way to test the supernatural. All attempts to show or “prove” the supernatural have failed.

              First why do you believe everything you see on YouTube? There are many videos on YouTube about evolution, about how the universe and our planets have been formed, how life began here on Earth, and even that there are no gods. Do you believe all of them? Did you check out the man in the video? did you verify his story? Was he making it up? If you did not look into it how do you know? You accepted it because it fit with what you already believe and you wanted it to be true. If the story had been about an atheist who had christian friends, looking into Christianity , and found it to be true and the most beautiful words of god, would you have believed him? Why not? It is the same story just the imaginary god friend is changed. Hugs

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              Comment by Scottie — January 4, 2019 @ 08:16

              • As you know, we live in a very small space of the universe. As you already know, we have no idea whether aliens exist or not. So how do you know there is no God? We can’t see him, but so can we not see a billion other things. The air, radio waves, antimatter, dark matter, but you say that they do exist. What if I say how old are you to believe in these mythical things? Would you like it? Please consider the feelings of people other than yourselves. The universe does not revolve around you .

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                Comment by TheRealFatema — January 4, 2019 @ 09:33

                • I do not believe there is a god because no evidence has been shown for one. The many things you mention we can see the result of their influence on our reality and are measurable. Even dark matter is measurable even if we do not understand exactly what it is. But your god, no there is no measurable effect, no sign of a deity that is not already explained by known science and mathematics. Things we know exist are not mythical by definition. However a god that makes no difference in reality is the same as a god that doesn’t exist. Do you ever wonder why miracles ceased to happen when we humans got to a point where we could record them and exam them with equipment? They only happened before technology. Feelings have nothing to do with any of this. Do you care about the feelings of people who follow Zeus? How about the followers of Thor? Do you believe in those gods? Do you believe in the Hindu gods? With all the religions and all the gods over the history of our species how many of them do you not believe in? If you say you only believe in one God then you are an atheist to all the others. Atheist just go one more god than you do. Hope this clears that up for you. Oh and the universe doesn’t revolve around you either but thanks for the tip. Hugs

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                  Comment by Scottie — January 4, 2019 @ 12:45

                  • I don’t believe in all the other gods but I understand the feelings of people of other religions. I know how they feel, I care for them. I have many hindu and christian friends and I care for them okay, that does not make me an atheist.

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                    Comment by TheRealFatema — January 5, 2019 @ 01:07

                    • Yes it does though. Atheism is the lack of belief in the existence of a god. So you don’t believe the other gods exist, so you are an atheist in regard with them. I am glad you have friends but that really was not the question was it. The question was if you believe in their gods. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — January 5, 2019 @ 06:27

        • I’ll second that! Good job. Oh, and don’t forget THIS gem of love ‘n peace from the Islamic Holy Book: Quran (2:65-66): “Christians and Jews must believe what Allah has revealed to Muhammad or Allah will disfigure their faces or turn them into apes, as he did the Sabbath-breakers.” Ah, the LOVE!!! The PEACE!! The JOY!!! The heart-warming acceptance of those who are different!!!!

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          Comment by inspiredbythedivine1 — January 3, 2019 @ 15:56

          • Hello Friend. You want to read something sickening. I did not post this as I just couldn’t’ stand it. I couldn’t’ even watch the video. The thought of it alone made me angry and sick. Here is one paragraph.

            If the defendant’s tongue blackens or blisters, that means guilt. If it doesn’t, innocence (in which case the judges on the Bedouin Bisha’a court, who derive their legitimacy from the first chapter of the Qur’an, will order you to go and embrace the people who accused you, even if they did so falsely and deliberately).

            So dang it is hard to not be anti the religious beliefs that can do this. The hard thing is to remember that these monsters are not everyone in the religion. They maybe a large part of it, but they are not everyone. Yet what is the tipping point? At what point do we get rid or work to outlaw a religion due to its practices? Or should we have tests for idiocy and just get rid of them. Hugs

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            Comment by Scottie — January 3, 2019 @ 16:35

            • Very true. Certainly not everyone who is Muslim or Christian follows the sicker, darker aspects touted in their holy books. But to them I say, FIND A DIFFERENT BOOK!!! Christ, write your own and say, “Hey, check out this NEW holy book that touts ALL the good stuff and cuts out ALL the sick, evil, violent, disgusting shit that’s in the other holy books.” You simply can not tout the Koran and/or the Babble and simply ignore the heinous, gross, evil shit that “god” does in them and asks others to do for him. It’s sickening. There are good people who are Muslim, Christian, etc, but they are not good people just BECAUSE they are those things–and far too often, it is in spite of them.

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              Comment by inspiredbythedivine1 — January 3, 2019 @ 16:53

              • I agree. Now how do we convince them. I have often said that the “Christians” who were practicing a feel good lovey Jesus loving god were not really christians as that is not the deity for the bible. And take Mel, He claims to only follow jesus so he is a christian, but what about Jesus dad. In the bible he is a real hateful prick. Oh well. I go to go wash dishes. Hugs

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                Comment by Scottie — January 3, 2019 @ 16:59

              • So Inspiredofthedivine1, lets found a new “Religion” the in spite of them. -religion.
                Without any god. – exept the one any one believes to impersonate to be god.
                I would impersonate my god to be Empathy like it is shown by loving animals.

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                Comment by m-miles — January 7, 2019 @ 11:32

      • Who’s want to hug a fucking smelly stupid bitch like you? And okay, I’m sorry for using swearwords but excuse me there is only so much a Muslim can take. All the Christians are calling Muslim terrorists when really THEY’RE the ones who are terrorists. Look at what Trump is doing to all the Muslims in different Muslim countries. And just see Nikki Hailey. Who does she think she is?? She does not care an iota for the poor Muslims in Palestine. Please try to understand other people’s feelings. You Christians just think that the world revolves around you. Well you may be surprised to know that it doesn’t. You should try to understand other people’s feelings too. I was only using swearwords because I got mad and I’m sorry fit for that but I’m just telling you that this cartoon is not what Islam is AT ALL. Islam is the most beautiful religion and you Christians know nothing about it. But that’s just what you do. Jump to stupid conclusions because I’m pretty sure your brains are filled with squashed flies. I promise if you take out the the time to study Islam then you will understand what a beautiful and peaceful religion it really is.
        PEACE

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        Comment by TheRealFatema — January 4, 2019 @ 03:00

        • Swearing is not the problem, it is the personal attacks. You are welcome to engage on the ideas, or the subjects of the posts. I am not thin skinned nor am I afraid of words. However to keep a conversation going it is important that all feel free to comment without fear of being personally attacked. This will be the last time I explain this. I shouldn’t need to to if you were practicing your faith in a peaceful loving way as you want others to believe. I have had Muslims comment on the very post you are commenting on who were wonderful and we had a great discussion. I suggest you read the comments before you go off ranting without being informed.

          You know better to blame all christians for actions of a minority when you are arguing that it is unfair to blame all Muslims for the acts of their majority. The fact is Muslims have earned a bad name by the actions they have done in the name of Islam. While I understand there is a more modern less extreme version of Islam and followers who believe in this version, but they are a small minority out of all the practicing Muslims.

          You are looking at the issue from one side. You are angry what tRump is doing concerning the different Islamic countries and his Muslim policies. I agree they are wrong in that they are discriminatory on the basis of religion, however you again do not look into what you are talking about. There are basically three areas of concern. The banning entry to the US of people from certain Muslim majority countries, the support for unequal policies of Israel in regard to the Palestinians and the disputed land, and the support for the war in Yemen. Now you can make a case for different viewpoints on these subjects. You do not do so.
          You attack the US ambassador to the UN with a stupid “who does she think she is?” rant. She is the ambassador of the US government and she is advancing the policies of her government. She is doing just what every other ambassadors including those from Islamic countries and other Muslim majority countries do. Shall we challenge all of then as “who do they think they are”? Shall we claim they do not care about other religions and people around the world. I have no respect for tRump and his cronies, but there are a lot of leaders of Muslim run countries that are as bad and others worse. Need I mention Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman and the killing of the murder of Washington Post journalist Jamal Khashoggi. On that note please send some time learning how non-Muslims are treated in Muslim majority run countries. You would hopefully have the same indignation you showed for the treatment of Muslims you claim is so unfair.

          You Christians? Again stop talking and learn. You are making yourself seem foolish and silly by making clearly untrue statements. Any four minutes looking quickly over my Toy Box will easily show anyone I have no religious affiliation, and a disbelief in any deity or gods.

          You say this cartoon is not at all what Islam is, yet you displayed some of the very things in your comments here the cartoon is claiming. You should look through the comments to see how other Muslims handled the conversation, and the topic. Look for Manahil, she was a wonderful spokesperson for Islam. She changed some perceptions of the viewers here. But she admitted when Muslims were wrong and distorting Islam, she admitted that she and those like her were a minority, and that the majority in Muslim run countries display a much more extreme version of Islam and a lot of that fits the cartoon. That is the point. Not every Muslim fits the cartoon, but the version of Islam practiced by most of the muslim countries is exactly what the cartoon portrays. You don’t like that I understand, then work to change the way your religion is practiced by the majority of the followers of that religion. I post against Christian bigots and the Christians wanting to take over the government of my country, but they are a minority. They seem larger than they are because they are vocal and have the support of the tRump and his crew, but they are clearly a minority. Their views are not yet enshrined in the laws of the country and the people are fighting their attempts to make them so. Yet the harshest religious laws of Islam are enforced in majority Muslim run countries. That’s a fact. It is not a fact world wide about Christians. I am not support Christian rule of countries either but you keep mentioning them without realizing there are other religions in other countries.

          I want you to think of all the countries where the Muslims are killing those of other faiths. Yes there are countries where Muslims are being attacked and killed due to being Muslim, but also the Muslims are doing to others as well. It doesn’t make it correct for any of them to be doing it, but at least acknowledge the wrongs committed by people of your faith if you are going to rage against the same actions by others.

          “But that’s just what you do. Jump to stupid conclusions because I’m pretty sure your brains are filled with squashed flies.” Again your very words disprove your point that “Islam is the most beautiful religion”. If you are an example of it, it is not and it is clearly lacking. Lucky for your fellow Muslims I prefer to think that while you may be part of the majority, you are not the best examples of Islam.

          Understand that all the holy books of the Abrahamic religions have horrible violent abusive passages in them and they can not be defended. If followed then the followers are barbarians and in no way “holy”. Take those passages out, keep the do good unto others and the peace bits, and make a religion based on that. It has been done before. Then you have a “holy” text that can not be blamed for the very things in the Bible, the Quran, or the Torah. I am sure other faiths also have horrible scriptures based on the time they were written as men write these holy books based on what they know at the time they lived, not any pretend deity, sadly I am not as familiar with the others as I am the abrahamic ones. Think about what I wrote. I am going to edit the comments I see you have already left if I see the need. I hope when you respond I request you will take attempts to further the discussion in a positive way, making aprotive case for your viewpoints. Hugs

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          Comment by Scottie — January 4, 2019 @ 08:04

          • I know I may not be the best example of Islam but I only wrote that way because I was already in a bad mood because I assure you in reality I am not like that at all. I hope you believe that everyone has a breaking point.

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            Comment by TheRealFatema — January 5, 2019 @ 03:52

            • I already addressed this and I am fastly running out of time. Hugs

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              Comment by Scottie — January 5, 2019 @ 11:20

            • You have to learn how to control bad moods, especially when writing – like sooo many other mulims; otherwise you will never convince others, that the Muslimism is a peaceful religion.

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              Comment by m-miles — January 7, 2019 @ 11:42

              • Yes, I know you’re right. I’m not normally like that, it’s just I was not in a good mad that time and because of PMS and all that. I shouldn’t have used all those swearwords and I regret it. But I assure you I’m not normally like that.
                Oh and by the way it’s Islam. Not Muslimism. I hope I’m not an uneducated b*tch in your eyes now, I’m terribly sorry for the swearwords. I think because I normally keep my feelings bottled up, that’s why I had an angry breakdown.
                I’m SO SORRY for my disgraceful behaviour.

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                Comment by TheRealFatema — January 8, 2019 @ 07:47

        • Wow!

          Miss Fatima, I love it when people openly declare themselves. Well done~! So now we know …

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          Comment by Argus — January 4, 2019 @ 14:04

          • Yes! I tried to explain that point, but it kept getting ignored. Hugs

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            Comment by Scottie — January 4, 2019 @ 15:52

          • Thank you. By the way, do you think that Muslims are terrorists? Because they aren’t.

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            Comment by TheRealFatema — January 5, 2019 @ 00:58

            • @TheRealFatema, can you read english. Again I want you to answer how old you are. You are doing your best to get an argument going. IF you do not want a discussion no one is going to talk to you. No where in Argus’s statement did he say anything about terrorist. He said you were acting in hostile angry manner while claiming your religion was one of peace. Hugs

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              Comment by Scottie — January 5, 2019 @ 06:24

              • I’m not talking in a hostile manner. And I never said he thought Muslims were terrorists. You’re misunderstanding my comment. I was only asking him if he thought so.

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                Comment by TheRealFatema — January 5, 2019 @ 08:24

            • I regret that I deleted your other comment—I tried to reply but WordPress told me that your address was invalid …

              Some Muslims are indeed terrorists. I would think that most are not. (We must be careful in wording.)

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              Comment by Argus — January 5, 2019 @ 06:40

              • Yes, some are terrorists because of their immoral acts, but I hope that you don’t judge Islam from them because, I assure you, when the time comes, they will get their punishment.♥

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                Comment by TheRealFatema — January 5, 2019 @ 08:28

                • Of course a religion is weighed by what their beleivers DO … and NOT by what the book says.
                  And if you call someone a b*tch your religion will be weighed by such comments. each other weighing would be bigot at least.

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                  Comment by m-iles — January 7, 2019 @ 14:40

              • By the way,which comment did you delete? Do you mean the one on your post?

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                Comment by TheRealFatema — January 5, 2019 @ 08:29

                • The one I was trying to make. On my own posts/blog I have never deleted a comment, not for any reason. I believe what the Literature tells us “By their deeds, you shall know them”.

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                  Comment by Argus — January 5, 2019 @ 15:15

                  • Ohkay, no I was asking which comment you were talking about when you said you regretted deleting it.

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                    Comment by TheRealFatema — January 6, 2019 @ 00:01

              • @ Argus your correct his web address is not valid. The blog is closed and no more. Hugs

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                Comment by Scottie — January 5, 2019 @ 11:13

                • Makes communication a bit difficult. It’s always nice to learn how others think …

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                  Comment by Argus — January 5, 2019 @ 15:07

                  • I agree, and knowing Fatema is only 14 and a young person makes some of his statements and his responses far more understandable. I hope more of our group responds and engage with him. I think he could learn and grow a lot. Hugs

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                    Comment by Scottie — January 5, 2019 @ 18:54

                    • I’m a girl, not a boy

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                      Comment by TheRealFatema — January 21, 2019 @ 04:17

                    • Hello Fatema. We know that now. At first we did not and I used a pronoun based on your aggressive response in the comments. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — January 21, 2019 @ 04:44

                • Quran
                  Quran (2:244) – “Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things.” (See also: Response to Apologists)

                  Quran (2:216) – “Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.” Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot. (See also: Response to Apologists)

                  Quran (3:56) – “As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help.” (See also: Response to Apologists)

                  Quran (3:151) – “Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority”. This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be ‘joining companions to Allah’). (See also: Response to Apologists)

                  Quran (4:74) – “Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.” The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, who were led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. This is the theological basis for today’s suicide bombers. (See also: Response to Apologists)

                  Quran (4:76) – “Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…”

                  Quran (4:89) – “They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks.” (See also: Response to Apologists)

                  Quran (4:95) – “Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home).Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward ” This passage criticizes “peaceful” Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting them know that they are less worthy in Allah’s eyes. It also demolishes the modern myth that “Jihad” doesn’t mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a spiritual struggle. Not only is this Arabic word (mujahiduna) used in this passage, but it is clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically disabled are given exemption. (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to be in response to a blind man’s protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad, which would not make sense if it meant an internal struggle). (See also: Response to Apologists)

                  Quran (4:101) – “And when you (Muslims) travel in the land, there is no sin on you if you shorten your Salat (prayer) if you fear that the disbelievers may attack you, verily, the disbelievers are ever unto you open enemies.” Mere disbelief makes one an “open” enemy of Muslims.

                  Quran (4:104) – “And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain…” Is pursuing an injured and retreating enemy really an act of self-defense? (See also: Response to Apologists)

                  Quran (5:33) – “The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement” (See also: Response to Apologists)

                  Quran (8:12) – “(Remember) when your Lord inspired the angels… “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them” No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle, given that it both followed and preceded confrontations in which non-Muslims were killed by Muslims. The targets of violence are “those who disbelieve” – further defined in the next verse (13) as those who “defy and disobey Allah.” Nothing is said about self-defense. In fact, the verses in sura 8 were narrated shortly after a battle provoked by Muhammad, who had been trying to attack a lightly-armed caravan to steal goods belonging to other people. (See also: Response to Apologists)

                  Quran (8:15) – “O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey’s end.”

                  Quran (8:39) – “And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion is all for Allah” Some translations interpret “fitna” as “persecution”, but the traditional understanding of this word is not supported by the historical context (See notes for 2:193). The Meccans were simply refusing Muhammad access to their city during the pilgrimage. Other Muslims were allowed to travel there – but not as an armed group, since Muhammad had declared war on Mecca prior to his eviction. The Meccans were also acting in defense of their religion, as it was Muhammad’s intention to destroy their idols and establish Islam by force (which he later did). Hence the critical part of this verse is to fight until “religion is only for Allah”, meaning that the true justification of violence was the unbelief of the opposition. According to the Sira (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 324) Muhammad further explains that “Allah must have no rivals.” (See also: Response to Apologists)

                  Quran (8:57) – “If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember.”

                  Quran (8:67) – “It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land…”

                  Quran (8:59-60) – “And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah’s Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy.” As Ibn Kathir puts it in his tafsir on this passage, “Allah commands Muslims to prepare for war against disbelievers, as much as possible, according to affordability and availability.” (See also: Response to Apologists)

                  Quran (8:65) – “O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight…”

                  Quran (9:5) – “So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them.” According to this verse, the best way of staying safe from Muslim violence at the time of Muhammad was to convert to Islam: prayer (salat) and the poor tax (zakat) are among the religion’s Five Pillars. The popular claim that the Quran only inspires violence within the context of self-defense is seriously challenged by this passage as well, since the Muslims to whom it was written were obviously not under attack. Had they been, then there would have been no waiting period (earlier verses make it a duty for Muslims to fight in self-defense, even during the sacred months). The historical context is Mecca after the idolaters were subjugated by Muhammad and posed no threat. Once the Muslims had power, they violently evicted those unbelievers who would not convert. (See also: Response to Apologists)

                  [Note: The verse says to fight unbelievers “wherever you find them”. Even if the context is a time of battle (which it was not) the reading appears to sanction attacks against those “unbelievers” who are not on the battlefield. In 2016, the Islamic State referred to this verse in urging the faithful to commit terror attacks: Allah did not only command the ‘fighting’ of disbelievers, as if to say He only wants us to conduct frontline operations against them. Rather, He has also ordered that they be slain wherever they may be – on or off the battlefield. (source)]

                  Quran (9:14) – “Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people.” Humiliating and hurting non-believers not only has the blessing of Allah, but it is ordered as a means of carrying out his punishment and even “heals” the hearts of Muslims.

                  Quran (9:20) – “Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah’s way are of much greater worth in Allah’s sight. These are they who are triumphant.” The Arabic word interpreted as “striving” in this verse is the same root as “Jihad”. The context is obviously holy war.

                  Quran (9:29) – “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” “People of the Book” refers to Christians and Jews. According to this verse, they are to be violently subjugated, with the sole justification being their religious status. Verse 9:33 tells Muslims that Allah has instructed them to make Islam “superior over all religions.” This chapter was one of the final “revelations” from Allah and it set in motion the tenacious military expansion, in which Muhammad’s companions managed to conquer two-thirds of the Christian world in the next 100 years. Islam is intended to dominate all other people and faiths. (See also: Response to Apologists)

                  Quran (9:30) – “And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!” (See also: Response to Apologists)

                  Quran (9:38-39) – “O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place.” This is a warning to those who refuse to fight, that they will be punished with Hell. The verse also links physical fighting to the “cause of Allah” (or “way of Allah”). (See also: Response to Apologists)

                  Quran (9:41) – “Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but knew.” See also the verse that follows (9:42) – “If there had been immediate gain (in sight), and the journey easy, they would (all) without doubt have followed thee, but the distance was long, (and weighed) on them” This contradicts the myth that Muslims are to fight only in self-defense, since the wording implies that battle will be waged a long distance from home (in another country and – in this case – on Christian soil, according to the historians). (See also: Response to Apologists)

                  Quran (9:73) – “O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination.” Dehumanizing those who reject Islam, by reminding Muslims that unbelievers are merely firewood for Hell, makes it easier to justify slaughter. It explains why today’s devout Muslims generally have little regard for those outside the faith. The inclusion of “hypocrites” (non-practicing) within the verse also contradicts the apologist’s defense that the targets of hate and hostility are wartime foes, since there was never an opposing army made up of non-religious Muslims in Muhammad’s time. (See also Games Muslims Play: Terrorists Can’t Be Muslim Because They Kill Muslims for the role this verse plays in Islam’s perpetual internal conflicts). (See also: Response to Apologists)

                  Quran (9:88) – “But the Messenger, and those who believe with him, strive and fight with their wealth and their persons: for them are (all) good things: and it is they who will prosper.” (See also: Response to Apologists)

                  Quran (9:111) – “Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Quran: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.” How does the Quran define a true believer? (See also: Response to Apologists)

                  Quran (9:123) – “O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness.” (See also: Response to Apologists)

                  Quran (17:16) – “And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction.” Note that the crime is moral transgression, and the punishment is “utter destruction.” (Before ordering the 9/11 attacks, Osama bin Laden first issued Americans an invitation to Islam).

                  Quran (18:65-81) – This parable lays the theological groundwork for honor killings, in which a family member is murdered because they brought shame to the family, either through apostasy or perceived moral indiscretion. The story (which is not found in any Jewish or Christian source) tells of Moses encountering a man with “special knowledge” who does things which don’t seem to make sense on the surface, but are then justified according to later explanation. One such action is to murder a youth for no apparent reason (v.74). However, the wise man later explains that it was feared that the boy would “grieve” his parents by “disobedience and ingratitude.” He was killed so that Allah could provide them a ‘better’ son. [Note: This parable along with verse 58:22 is a major reason that honor killing is sanctioned by Sharia. Reliance of the Traveler (Umdat al-Saliq) says that punishment for murder is not applicable when a parent or grandparent kills their offspring (o.1.12).] (See also: Response to Apologists)

                  Quran (21:44) – “…See they not that We gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? Is it then they who will win?”

                  Quran (25:52) – “Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness with it.” – The root for Jihad is used twice in this verse – although it may not have been referring to Holy War when narrated, since it was prior to the hijra at Mecca. The “it” at the end is thought to mean the Quran. Thus the verse may have originally meant a non-violent resistance to the ‘unbelievers.’ Obviously, this changed with the hijra. ‘Jihad’ after this is almost exclusively within a violent context. The enemy is always defined as people, rather than ideas.

                  Quran (33:60-62) – “If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease (evil desire for adultery, etc.), and those who spread false news among the people in Al-Madinah, cease not, We shall certainly let you overpower them, then they will not be able to stay in it as your neighbors but a little while Accursed, wherever found, they shall be seized and killed with a (terrible) slaughter.” This passage sanctions slaughter (rendered as “merciless” and “horrible murder” in other translations) against three groups: hypocrites (Muslims who refuse to “fight in the way of Allah” (3:167) and hence don’t act as Muslims should), those with “diseased hearts” (which include Jews and Christians 5:51-52), and “alarmists” or “agitators – those who speak out against Islam. It is worth noting that the victims are to be sought out, which is what today’s terrorists do.

                  Quran (47:3-4) – “Those who disbelieve follow falsehood, while those who believe follow the truth from their Lord… So, when you meet (fighting Jihad in Allah’s Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives)… If it had been Allah’s Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But (He lets you fight), in order to test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost.” Holy war is to be pursued against those who reject Allah. The unbelievers are to be killed and wounded. Survivors are to be held captive for ransom. The only reason Allah doesn’t do the dirty work himself is to to test the faithfulness of Muslims. Those who kill pass the test. (See also: 47:4 for more context) (See also: Response to Apologists)

                  Quran (47:35) – “Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when ye should be uppermost (Shakir: “have the upper hand”) for Allah is with you,” (See also: Response to Apologists)

                  Quran (48:17) – “There is no blame for the blind, nor is there blame for the lame, nor is there blame for the sick (that they go not forth to war). And whoso obeyeth Allah and His messenger, He will make him enter Gardens underneath which rivers flow; and whoso turneth back, him will He punish with a painful doom.” Contemporary apologists sometimes claim that Jihad means ‘spiritual struggle.’ If so, then why are the blind, lame and sick exempted? This verse also says that those who do not fight will suffer torment in hell.

                  Quran (48:29) – “Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves” Islam is not about treating everyone equally. This verse tells Muslims that two very distinct standards are applied based on religious status. Also the word used for ‘hard’ or ‘ruthless’ in this verse shares the same root as the word translated as ‘painful’ or severe’ to describe Hell in over 25 other verses including 65:10, 40:46 and 50:26..

                  Quran (61:4) – “Surely Allah loves those who fight in His cause” Religion of Peace, indeed! The verse explicitly refers to “rows” or “battle array,” meaning that it is speaking of physical conflict. This is followed by (61:9), which defines the “cause”: “He it is who has sent His Messenger (Mohammed) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam) to make it victorious over all religions even though the infidels may resist.” (See next verse, below). Infidels who resist Islamic rule are to be fought. (See also: Response to Apologists)

                  Quran (61:10-12) – “O You who believe! Shall I guide you to a commerce that will save you from a painful torment. That you believe in Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad), and that you strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with your wealth and your lives, that will be better for you, if you but know! (If you do so) He will forgive you your sins, and admit you into Gardens under which rivers flow, and pleasant dwelling in Gardens of’Adn- Eternity [‘Adn(Edn) Paradise], that is indeed the great success.” This verse refers to physical battle waged to make Islam victorious over other religions (see verse 9). It uses the Arabic root for the word Jihad.

                  Quran (66:9) – “O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey’s end.” The root word of “Jihad” is used again here. The context is clearly holy war, and the scope of violence is broadened to include “hypocrites” – those who call themselves Muslims but do not act as such. (See also: Response to Apologists)

                  Quran (2:191-193) – “And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing… but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun(the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)” (Translation is from the Noble Quran) The verse prior to this (190) refers to “fighting for the cause of Allah those who fight you” leading some to claim that the entire passage refers to a defensive war in which Muslims are defending their homes and families. The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, however, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries. In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did). Verse 190 thus means to fight those who offer resistance to Allah’s rule (ie. Muslim conquest). The use of the word “persecution” by some Muslim translators is disingenuous – the actual Arabic words for persecution (idtihad) – and oppression are not used instead of fitna. Fitna can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation. A strict translation is ‘sedition,’ meaning rebellion against authority (the authority being Allah). This is certainly what is meant in this context since the violence is explicitly commissioned “until religion is for Allah” – ie. unbelievers desist in their unbelief. [Editor’s note: these notes have been modified slightly after a critic misinterpreted our language. Verse 193 plainly says that ‘fighting’ is sanctioned even if the fitna ‘ceases’. This is about religious order, not real persecution.] (See also: Response to Apologists)

                  Other verses calling Muslims to Jihad can be found here at AnsweringIslam.org
                  Hadith and Sira
                  Sahih Bukhari (52:177) – Allah’s Apostle said, “The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. “O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.”

                  Sahih Bukhari (52:256) – The Prophet… was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, “They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans).” In this command, Muhammad establishes that it is permissible to kill non-combatants in the process of killing a perceived enemy. This provides justification for the many Islamic terror bombings.

                  Sahih Bukhari (52:65) – The Prophet said, ‘He who fights that Allah’s Word (Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah’s Cause. Muhammad’s words are the basis for offensive Jihad – spreading Islam by force. This is how it was understood by his companions, and by the terrorists of today. (See also Sahih Bukhari 3:125)

                  Sahih Bukhari (52:220) – Allah’s Apostle said… ‘I have been made victorious with terror’

                  Sahih Bukhari (52:44) – A man came to Allah’s Apostle and said, “Instruct me as to such a deed as equals Jihad (in reward).” He replied, “I do not find such a deed.”

                  Abu Dawud (14:2526) (considered daif) – The Prophet said, Three things are the roots of faith: to refrain from (killing) a person who utters, “There is no god but Allah” and not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits, and not to excommunicate him from Islam for his any action; and jihad will be performed continuously since the day Allah sent me as a prophet…

                  Abu Dawud (14:2527) (considered daif) – The Prophet said: Striving in the path of Allah (jihad) is incumbent on you along with every ruler, whether he is pious or impious

                  Sahih Muslim (1:33) – the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah

                  Sahih Bukhari (8:387) – Allah’s Apostle said, “I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah’. And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally.”

                  Sahih Muslim (1:30) – “The Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah.”

                  Sahih Bukhari (52:73) – “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘Know that Paradise is under the shades of swords’.”

                  Sahih Bukhari (11:626) – [Muhammad said:] “I decided to order a man to lead the prayer and then take a flame to burn all those, who had not left their houses for the prayer, burning them alive inside their homes.”

                  Sahih Muslim (1:149) – “Abu Dharr reported: I said: Messenger of Allah, which of the deeds is the best? He (the Holy Prophet) replied: Belief in Allah and Jihad in His cause…”

                  Sahih Muslim (20:4645) – “…He (the Messenger of Allah) did that and said: There is another act which elevates the position of a man in Paradise to a grade one hundred (higher), and the elevation between one grade and the other is equal to the height of the heaven from the earth. He (Abu Sa’id) said: What is that act? He replied: Jihad in the way of Allah! Jihad in the way of Allah!”

                  Sahih Muslim (20:4696) – “the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: ‘One who died but did not fight in the way of Allah nor did he express any desire (or determination) for Jihad died the death of a hypocrite.'”

                  Sahih Muslim (19:4321-4323) – Three hadith verses in which Muhammad shrugs over the news that innocent children were killed in a raid by his men against unbelievers. His response: “They are of them (meaning the enemy).”

                  Sahih Muslim (19:4294) – “Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war… When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withhold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them… If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah’s help and fight them.”

                  Sahih Muslim (31:5917) – “Ali went a bit and then halted and did not look about and then said in a loud voice: ‘Allah’s Messenger, on what issue should I fight with the people?’ Thereupon he (the Prophet) said: ‘Fight with them until they bear testimony to the fact that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his Messenger’.” The pretext for attacking the peaceful farming community of Khaybar was not obvious to the Muslims. Muhammad’s son-in-law Ali asked the prophet of Islam to clarify the reason for their mission to kill, loot and enslave. Muhammad’s reply was straightforward. The people should be fought because they are not Muslim.

                  Sahih Muslim (31:5918) – “I will fight them until they are like us.” Ali’s reply to Muhammad, after receiving clarification that the pretext for attacking Khaybar was to convert the people (see above verse).

                  Sahih Bukhari 2:35 “The person who participates in (Holy Battles) in Allah’s cause and nothing compels him do so except belief in Allah and His Apostle, will be recompensed by Allah either with a reward, or booty ( if he survives) or will be admitted to Paradise ( if he is killed).”

                  Sunan an-Nasa’i (Sahih) “Whoever dies without having fought or thought of fighting, he dies on one of the branches of hypocrisy”

                  Sunan Ibn Majah 24:2794 (Sahih) – “I came to the Prophet and said: ‘O Messenger of Allah, which Jihad is best?’ He said: ‘(That of a man) whose blood is shed and his horse is wounded.'” Unlike the oft-quoted “Greater/Lesser” verse pertaining to Jihad, this is judged to be authentic, and clearly establishes that the ‘best’ Jihad involves physical violence.

                  Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, “Kill any Jew who falls under your power.” Ashraf was a poet, killed by Muhammad’s men because he insulted Islam. Here, Muhammad widens the scope of his orders to kill. An innocent Jewish businessman was then slain by his Muslim partner, merely for being non-Muslim.

                  Tabari 9:69 “Killing Unbelievers is a small matter to us” The words of Muhammad, prophet of Islam.

                  Tabari 17:187 “‘By God, our religion (din) from which we have departed is better and more correct than that which these people follow. Their religion does not stop them from shedding blood, terrifying the roads, and seizing properties.’ And they returned to their former religion.” The words of a group of Christians who had converted to Islam, but realized their error after being shocked by the violence and looting committed in the name of Allah. The price of their decision to return to a religion of peace was that the men were beheaded and the woman and children enslaved by the caliph Ali.

                  Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 484: – “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”

                  Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 990: Cutting off someone’s head while shouting ‘Allahu Akbar’ is not a ‘perversion of Islam’, but a tradition of Islam that began with Muhammad. In this passage, a companion recounts an episode in which he staged a surprise ambush on a settlement: “I leapt upon him and cut off his head and ran in the direction of the camp shouting ‘Allah akbar’ and my two companions did likewise”.

                  Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 992: – “Fight everyone in the way of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah.” Muhammad’s instructions to his men prior to a military raid.

                  Ibn Kathir (Commentary on verses 2:190-193 – Since Jihad involves killing and shedding the blood of men, Allah indicated that these men are committing disbelief in Allah, associating with Him (in the worship) and hindering from His path, and this is a much greater evil and more disastrous than killing. One of Islam’s most respected scholars clearly believed that Jihad means physical warfare.

                  Saifur Rahman, The Sealed Nectar p.227-228 – “Embrace Islam… If you two accept Islam, you will remain in command of your country; but if your refuse my Call, you’ve got to remember that all of your possessions are perishable. My horsemen will appropriate your land, and my Prophethood will assume preponderance over your kingship.” One of several letters from Muhammad to rulers of other countries. The significance is that the recipients were not making war or threatening Muslims. Their subsequent defeat and subjugation by Muhammad’s armies was justified merely on the basis of their unbelief.

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                  Comment by Michelle Styles — January 7, 2019 @ 10:59

            • Words, sheer words. Do you believe in words? I don’t

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              Comment by m-miles — January 7, 2019 @ 11:44

        • Swearing IS a problem, cause it shows your lacking of arguments – it i8s a personal attack. No excuse. And don’t write of peaceful and beutiful!

          please learn about Empathy first.

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          Comment by m-iles — January 21, 2019 @ 09:40

          • Hello Miles. I think she learned her lesson. She has apologised and she has not done it again. Hugs

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            Comment by Scottie — January 21, 2019 @ 09:59

    • Only btches call others btches.
      If you would have had been silent, you would have continued to be a peaceful muslima. 😦

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      Comment by m-miles — January 7, 2019 @ 11:51

  17. Quran (9:30): “And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!”

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    Comment by inspiredbythedivine1 — January 4, 2019 @ 07:53

    • I love your stuff Inspired. You have a way of being very educational in your quotes. Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — January 4, 2019 @ 08:42

  18. By the way I’m sorry if I used any abusive language. It’s just that menstruating girls just can’t keep their feelings to themselves. Okay, so you’re an atheist and I would like to give you some proofs that God really does exist so I want to email you something.

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    Comment by TheRealFatema — January 4, 2019 @ 10:00

    • First why should girls keep their opinion to themselves regardless of their monthly cycle? Do you stay silent for about 2 weeks every month? If not do you see how what you suggest is unfair and unnecessary. Second I do not care why you used the abusive language, this is my blog and you have been warned. Don’t do it. Just so we are on the same page, who is the girl you are referring to?

      My email is Scottietoybox@gmail.com . However it would be best if you could link to your proofs here in the comments so everyone can see them. Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — January 4, 2019 @ 12:24

  19. “The only true faith in God’s sight is Islam.”

    Quran 3:19

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    Comment by inspiredbythedivine1 — January 4, 2019 @ 10:12

    • Ah but you know about faith and how disappointing it can be. I had faith I would win the lottery, but that did not seem to happen. I had faith I would lose 30 pounds last year, but my faith was misplaced. Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — January 4, 2019 @ 12:47

      • That is just you being discouraged. Do you think you can get success in just the first try? How many times did Thomas Edison have to invent the light bulb properly? No?

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        Comment by TheRealFatema — January 21, 2019 @ 04:15

        • Hello Fatema, you missed the point. Faith is the belief in something without sufficient evidence. I was trying to show you can have faith in anything, not just a religion, or a god. I have faith you are a 14 year old girl from Pakistan even though I have no evidence for it other than what you said. Hugs

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          Comment by Scottie — January 21, 2019 @ 04:42

  20. You’ve rattled a cage and overturned a rock to reveal the festering pus beneath …

    Enough cliches for now, but I believe that in one of the (many~!) Good Books it says something like “by these signs shall thou know them”. I think Fatima has given us a few signs, no?

    “In the country of the blind
    the one-eyed man is King—
    the two-eyed man a monstrosity.”

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    Comment by Argus — January 4, 2019 @ 14:13

    • I agree. Thanks Argus. I have a feeling it is not over yet. I however will insist on common decency as much as we can. Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — January 4, 2019 @ 15:54

      • Once they get rattled the religious cease being gentlemen, Scottie (it’s a rule that applies to any self-righteous, actually—and the more arrogant, the more it applies).

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        Comment by Argus — January 4, 2019 @ 21:46

        • Sadly I think you are correct. We will see. Hugs

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          Comment by Scottie — January 4, 2019 @ 22:02

    • @Argus
      Thank you. I have given a few signs. You know, if there was no God wouldn’t all the stars be clashing together in the sky? Wouldn’t the sun and moon come out not on time but at any time at all? And what about humans? How many perfections are in us? Look at our brain, how it functions, gives out impulses in less than a second. What about our heart? Beats perfectly and is protected in a ribcage. Aren’t all these things proof that surely there is someone who has created us and the universe? And who has mercy on us?
      I’m very happy that you understand my feelings. Others just laugh at me and say never will they believe in a God.
      May God bless you and give you and your family a very long, healthy, happy and blessed life.
      ~Ameen~

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      Comment by TheRealFatema — January 5, 2019 @ 01:13

      • Thank you, very much appreciated. May your God be with you always, and peace be upon your house and your people also.

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        Comment by Argus — January 5, 2019 @ 06:46

        • Thank you very much. I understand if you’re an atheist because it might be a little weird for you to believe in something you don’t have evidence of. May you live a long and successful life as well as your family.

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          Comment by TheRealFatema — January 5, 2019 @ 06:52

  21. Islam is a topic for 1.1 % of the Americans. The third time now it collects the attention of the greatest part of this blog with nearly 250 partly long comments. In the present situation with trump and the Republicans runnig havoc, I give my opinion: Enough is enough, there are MORE URGENT topics. ,- aren’t there?

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    Comment by miles — January 4, 2019 @ 15:41

    • Yes Miles there is. But I have time for different subjects. One can do both. IF someone is carrying on a decent conversation I am will to engage. Besides someone may learn something from it. Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — January 4, 2019 @ 15:56

  22. As a very agnostic atheist I watch in enthralled raptures as all the divergent “lovers of peace” go for each other’s throats; is the ‘name of God’ so very important as to be worth fighting, raping, maiming, torture and slaughtering for?
    Why not just call the bugger ‘Spookphace’ and have done with it? You know—rewrite ALL the monotheistic Good Books so whatever name God is called (in any or all of them) He is renamed Spookphace.

    Then, while we’re at it, write the names of everyone’s favourite prophet/s on a slip of paper, pin it to a wall, and when everyone is satisfied that their own profit is adequately represented … get a totally blind person to stand off and throw darts—the first prof to score two hits wins, and henceforth He alone is everyone’s God and the others (all many of them) get demoted to erasure from the literature, completely. The winning darts will of course be guided by God and so the Judgement will be infallible.

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    Comment by Argus — January 4, 2019 @ 21:43

    • Hello Argus. Know what I heard the other day. Originally the first part of the bible was pollythest in that there were many gods. Well that part was normal for the area and time. However for some reason they need to promote their deity as the supreme one of the bunch so the other gods became the angles and of course lucifer. Plus a few became prophets. That is the short paraphrased version of course. What do you think? Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — January 4, 2019 @ 22:01

      • Sounds reasonable to me. One might ponder: to whom was God speaking when She said “Let there be light”? (Yep. She …)

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        Comment by Argus — January 5, 2019 @ 01:46

  23. “Ignorance is the curse of God; knowledge is the wing wherewith we fly to heaven.” William Shakespeare

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    Comment by inspiredbythedivine1 — January 5, 2019 @ 07:56

  24. What the Quran Says
    2:244 And fight in the Way of Allah and know that Allah is All-Hearer, All-Knower.

    What the Apologists Want You to Believe
    From the DTT article:
    Verse 2:244 is telling us not to transgress limits and that Allah “hears and knows all”. Also, fight in God’s cause, means to fight oppression, as shown in verse 2:246, “And why should we not fight in the cause of Allah when we have been driven out from our homes and from our children?” In that context, verse 2:244 encourages Muslims to fight oppression, persecution. The passage does not endorse killing of innocents.

    How They Do It: ‘Adding’ to the Quran
    DTT certainly reads a lot into verse 2:244. From “fight in the Way of Allah” they come to the conclusion that it means not to kill innocents. “In the way of” means “according to the rules of” (rather than “for the cause of”) says DTT.

    They also skip ahead a few verses and pull a fragment from 2:246 which reads: “Why should we not fight in Allah’s Way while we have been driven out of our homes and our children (have been taken captive). Thus implying that the verse is speaking to those who where driven out of their homes and had their children taken.

    How They Do It: Ignoring Reliable Sources
    The Tafsir of al-Jalalayn explains the verse as meaning “Fight in God’s way, in order to elevate his religion.”

    Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi says of 2:244 that “Muslims have been exhorted to do Jihad,” i.e., to exert their utmost in the Way of Allah and make monetary sacrifices for the cause”

    Ibn Kathir states that verse 2:44 is a warning “not to abandon Jihad.” He also hails the war criminal, Khalid bin Walid, as a shining example of Muslim obedience.

    How They Do It: Sleight of Hand
    Verse 2:246 actually addresses the Israelites at the time of Moses – not Muslims. The Muslims living in Medina were not missing any children.

    DTT is also opportunistic in interpreting “in the way of” as “according to” rather than “in the cause of.” This is a bit of a word trick that radically affects the meaning.

    Why They are Wrong
    Does “in the way of Allah” really mean that one is not supposed to kill people over religious belief? If we look at how the Arabic for “in the way of” is used in other parts of the Quran, we see that verse 2:244 is really telling Muslims to fight in the cause of Allah.

    Verse 4:76 pertains to those who fight “in the way of false deities.” That only makes sense if one is speaking of fighting for the deities themselves (or the right of polytheistic worship).

    8:60 and 9:34 talk about spending “in the way of Allah” – and no, it is not referring to the nuances of prudent consumerism, but of funding Jihad.

    Verse 3:157 includes the fragment, “and if you are killed in the way of Allah.” How can a Muslim be killed in the way of Allah by a non-Muslim? He or she can be killed for the cause of Allah, however.

    So, this verse is actually telling Muslims to fight for the cause of Allah – ie. fight for the advancement of Allah’s religion. Killing innocent people isn’t the goal, but if religious war is waged, then innocent people will surely die.

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    Comment by Michelle Styles — January 7, 2019 @ 11:02

  25. When you were asking about my not commenting frequently on your post, well, my exams were going on and I had to study for them. Also, I’m sick of the people here who abuse Islam and Muslims and when I told my parents about it they told me to forget about it and not comment on such posts again, because a lot of people do these things in the name of blasphemy. And my parents are absolutely right so I’m not visiting such posts again, nor commenting on them. Also, I think you should delete this post because it abuses Islam to a very great extent and no-one is allowed to make cartoons of the Holy Prophet so a lot of Muslims can get hyper about it. And I assure you one last time that Islam is not made of these poisonous ingredients at all, please study Islam properly-and I mean it when I say properly. Please, sir, if you have feelings for others please delete this post and God will bless you. It is the request of a fourteen year old Muslimah devoted to Islam. May Allah guide you to the right path, and may you be able to understand the truth about Islam. Bless you as well as your family. Fi Aman Allah.
    Also, to the other people reading this comment. I don’t want ANYONE to reply to it no matter what you want to say. Only Mr. Scottie can reply to it if he wants. If you all want to say anything then you can email me fatemasajjad941@gmail.com
    I hope Allah blesses everyone and guides everyone to the right path.
    ~Ameen
    -🌸Fatema🌸
    PEACE

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    Comment by TheRealFatema — January 21, 2019 @ 04:08

    • Fatema I hope you did well on your exams.

      Fatema, first no one abused you here. They gave you information. You are incorrect on some of the assertions you made, and we were trying to help you on that. I do not care if you have a faith in a deity, that is your business, but when you use god to explain things we know happen due to natural process and laws of physics then you are wrong. Just because no one taught you how it works doesn’t mean you can claim god does it.

      In the name of blasphemy? First if your deity is so powerful why would it need man made laws to protect it. Secondly as I told you I do care about truth.

      My post abuses Islam? No Fatema, it may offend you but no one has a right to go through life without offence. This is the point I have tried to make before, not everyone has to live by the rules of your religion. Not everyone has to cater to nor accept Islam. I am totally free to draw Muhammad, post cartoons , and yes even if I wanted to insult Islam. Just as you are free to follow Islam. Your religion makes up rules for you to follow. I do not follow your religion so I do not have to follow them. If Muslims get upset about it then they need to deal with their own emotions, and they need to understand not everyone has to do as they do.

      You never answered Michelle. She worked hard to give you the information that you seem to lack. You said things were not in the Quran, she found them. I told you she studied Islam. She would have been a great resource for you. She goes to a lot of Islamic countries and is one of the smartest people I know.

      You say Islam is not the things in the post, yet you claim I shouldn’t make a cartoon of the prophet as it makes Muslims upset and hyper. That is demanding I live by your rules in a totally different country with different rules. I have the freedom to draw who I like and to post them. Muslims have the right to not read the post if it hurts them that bad. This is again the point, you would like me to do as your religion demands of you. That is wrong. Everyone has the right to decide for themselves if they wish to follow a religion or not.

      Fatema, I will close this, answer your other two comments and then if you still want no contact I will not bother to address you anymore. I see no reason to keep your proofs of god posted if you won’t be around to talk about them, so I may delete that also. Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — January 21, 2019 @ 04:35

      • Did you post the truths of God?

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        Comment by TheRealFatema — January 21, 2019 @ 04:40

        • Yes I did . I asked you in several emails if you spoke english. Your proofs are not very good and many commented that the end of it seemed more to align more with Christian beliefs than Islamic ones. However if you are not going to comment anymore due to your parents saying you shouldn’t ( I do not want you to disobey your parents and get into trouble ) I see no reason for the post to remain. It was after all something you wanted to share that you felt you could use to convince others of your god. Several people looked over and dismissed it. Hugs
          https://scottiestoybox.com/2019/01/09/fatemas-proof-of-god/

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          Comment by Scottie — January 21, 2019 @ 04:50

    • Oh Fatema, one last thing. Please understand this is my space, my blog. If someone wants to reply to you they can as long as they do not attack you personally. Here on my Toy Box we discuss and debate ideas. I think if it gets to the point of viciously insulting each other there is no good in the conversation. I think the person who throws insults has lost their argument already. I do not mind some good natured joking around or teasing, many of us here have known each a long time and do so. I also do not take disagreement as attacks. You have the right to not respond to anyone you choose not to, and to respond to those you wish to also. However I control who can comment and reply. I would prefer the conversation be here in my Toy Box where I can moderate it if things get out of hand. I cannot prevent anyone from emailing you, I just think the conversation is better when it is open to all, and all can read it. Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — January 21, 2019 @ 04:59

  26. Dear Fatema, you asked for a proof. I give you the proof that all the sience can confirm, instead for the one writer of Quran, that is known to nowbody:

    These are numbers given by NASA, based on the works of Hubble_Telescope:
    In our Milkyway are 100 000 000 000 – 100 Billion – planets; Milkyway is just one Galaxy.
    There are 100 (- 200) billions of galaxies in our uniververse
    That would make at least 100 billion multiplied by 100 billion planets in our universe

    This would amount to 1 Sextillion planets in the universe

    And these sextillion planets had, since the beginning of our universe, 13,5 billions of years to develop.

    That gives a number of 13.5 Nonillion years, wich gives 13.5 with 30 Zeros, for evolution to work on the problem, to create liveable surroundings for any kind of intelligent creatures.

    And now just guess:
    How many planets would have liveable surroundings for any kind of intelligent creatures just by sheer evolution???

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    Comment by m-iles — January 21, 2019 @ 09:55


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