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November 18, 2018

Morals if I could

Filed under: Atheism, Memes, News, Questions, Reason, Religion — Scottie @ 14:39











  1. An excellent set to think about ; being human makes us moral and it’s a constant problem. We see ourselves as a sort of standard for others and often they have very different standards. The religious attempt to make a consistent set of morals and say to their followers these are the morals you must follow to be part of our group. Fundamentalists take this a stage further and insist their moral values have been given to them by a supernatural power and to break them is a sin.
    Our governments attempt to set moral limits to our behaviour and in the west the gates are very wide to give us all maximum freedom.
    Atheists and other non believers worry about the inconsistency of morals and many of them have attempted to make an objective set but this has proved incredibly difficult.

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    Comment by kersten — November 18, 2018 @ 16:20

    • Hello Kersten, true as far as you go. I think the problem comes in when one religious set tries to force its doctrines on all the other groups. Another problem is when the followers get convinced they play no part in keeping the moral community intact, such as you don’t believe in god because you want to sin, or the other side where if it was not for my god I would do horrible stuff to my fellow human if not for a myth keeping me from doing it. That is seriously messed up and a total detriment to society. Thanks, have a great week. Hugs


      Comment by Scottie — November 18, 2018 @ 16:30

      • There is just one rule , I think could act as moral law:

        You should not do to others what you would not want them to do to you.

        This is my CREDO now, since I am able to think
        There is just one drawback: The number of religious people, which ignore this rule, grows constantly, especially in the western-Hemisphere-people
        So sticking to this rule – the best available – one has to be more and more on the alert, not to be cheated by others.

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        Comment by miles — November 18, 2018 @ 17:24

        • It is a very good rule Miles. The secular people are growing. Fear not, reason will win out. Hugs


          Comment by Scottie — November 18, 2018 @ 17:26

        • You might not want others to criticize your lifestyle but they may feel morally obliged to do so , and perhaps you might feel the moral need to criticize theirs. There are really no hard and fast rules and many religious people realise this is the case , of course fundamentalists are the exception but even they often hide their true feelings .

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          Comment by kersten — November 19, 2018 @ 04:11

      • This earlier post pretty much sums up that issue.

        As a believer in the scientific view of the world, I always look first to real-world evidence, not to theoretical arguments. The fact that humans don’t need religion to be moral is shown by the fact that the least religious places, such as Scandinavia and England and Japan, are also among the most peaceful and crime-free. Those places are also liberal democracies which don’t place many limits on the personal freedom of their citizens, so it’s not a matter of governments terrorizing people into behaving well.

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        Comment by Infidel753 — November 18, 2018 @ 18:35

      • You are right about the moral community and the reason is many of these groups don’t believe the community is moral. For example a vegetarian may believe others are not being moral when they eat chicken or perhaps when someone has an abortion , the truth is everybody’s moral stand point is different and there is no general fixed set of morals. I take my hat off to our western democracies they have arrived at a pretty good but changeable compromise.
        Just a word more sometimes we act in ways that deny our own moral feelings ; often due to greed or desire , we have an inner conflict and I suspect this is universal even among fundamentalists. I must stop rambling my brain just ticks on and on.

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        Comment by kersten — November 19, 2018 @ 03:58

  2. The quotes from Tracie Harris and Amanda Marcotte are unanswerable. Any religionist confronted with them would have to dodge and weave and play word-games and change the subject. Religion is depraved.

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    Comment by Infidel753 — November 18, 2018 @ 18:29

  3. I never understood one religion forcing their doctrine on another religion when it was ALWAYS basically the same damn thing. The ONLY differences were 1. the name of the god(s) 2. the number of the rules & the way they were listed & their importance in relation to one another & 3. the rituals to honor the god(s), either private or public …. the arguments about those differences, many very minute in detail, are the reason that there are so many religions & so many wars concerning religion. It’s not even a case of “agreeing to disagree”, it’s a case of “my way or the highway”. Nothing makes people so intolerant as religion.

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    Comment by silverapplequeen — November 19, 2018 @ 05:32

    • Well said I agree. Hugs


      Comment by Scottie — November 19, 2018 @ 06:56

    • Oh one thing I would add, is if there really were a supreme deity, surely it could have made it self very clear and there wouldn’t be any misunderstandings as to which person’s idea is the right religion. Hugs


      Comment by Scottie — November 19, 2018 @ 06:58

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