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November 21, 2018

He thinks the church is the state. Those like him want a theocracy were we all have to live as he demands.

Filed under: Atheism, News, Political, Questions — Scottie @ 10:08

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  1. Why would you assume that they don’t?

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    Comment by nationofnope — November 21, 2018 @ 10:51

    • Hello Nation of nope. I m a bit confused. Sorry. Could you give me a better idea of what you mean? Thanks. Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — November 21, 2018 @ 11:36

      • maybe N.o.N. thinks the most probably do it with the same right, as christians do their job?

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        Comment by miles — November 21, 2018 @ 14:54

        • I am not sure what he was trying to say, and I look forward to hearing him out, as he is a sharp smart person. Hugs

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          Comment by Scottie — November 21, 2018 @ 15:17

  2. this chief pastor stands for all the priest-kid and woman-rapers and so he is the speaker for all future inhabitants of hell and devils-friends. Which of the 99 different bibels does he believe in?

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    Comment by miles — November 21, 2018 @ 14:51

  3. You bet.

    Islam is exceptional. Based on the Muslim religious texts alone, Islam is a existential threat to the idea of liberal democracy. Unless a candidate expressly disavowed the tenants of Islam, which is possible but unlikely, there will be priority issues. Trust needs to be earned and without a statement that non-Muslims are not infidels and inferior to Muslims I question their priorities and motives. When one side is operating under holly edict that lying in support of their faith is expressly sanctioned where’s the trust then. Conversation is all we have for peaceful resolutions of conflicting positions.

    If its escaped your notice you don’t question the tenants of Islam and not anticipate unpleasant consequences. You have a reasoned expectation that your criticism of any other of the worlds religious to be rebutted with conversation not violence or negation. Self preservation is not bigotry and shame on those who conflate the two. This should be easy. Compare and reflect. What would Mohammad do? The more you know the less sanguine you’ll be.

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    Comment by nationofnope — November 21, 2018 @ 16:30

    • Nation I think we really are talking past each other, or we have a serious understanding problem.

      I will try to go through what you wrote line by line as I think I have serious issues with it.

      The idea that Islam is a threat to democracy in my country is a fallacy I reject. In a land where separation of church and state is acknowledged Islam is no more a danger than Baptist are or any other religion. The problem is when one religion gets to knock down the doors of separation of church and state like we are seeing Christianity do in my country right now.

      Lying in support of their goals is a huge part of the fundamentalist christian activities here in my country. Have you not followed my posts. The radical christian wing is trying to take over our government and they are succeeding. Hell a few Muslim females or even a few atheists are no even in the same category of the fundamentalist assault on democracy of my country. You say when one side is operating under a holly edict, that is what I keep screaming to the world, the Christianity fundamentalist are doing. How much clearer can I make it? These are the real threat in my country. They are the ones trying to insert religious laws. it is not the Muslims, it is not Islam, it is fucking bible toting Christians who are trying to get the entire country to live according to their interpretation of 2000 year old ideas. These people have as much faith and willing to die on it as the Islamist do.

      Yes lying for a christian is OK as long as it forces the rest of us non Christians to obey them.

      If you think I have ignored any thing nor question any tenet of any religion then you and I need to have a very long and very specific talk.

      I think you have misunderstood my many outright denunciation of all religion and even Islam and Christianity because I have said that in my country at this time Christianity is a bigger threat to me.

      You seem to think I have not questioned Islam, yet you seem to not be aware of the whole conversation I had on this blog with a Muslim girl about her faith and the results of that conversation.

      Simply put I feel all religion is problematic, but right now in my country Islam is not a worry, it is not even a problem, but Christianity and the followers of that are a very big problem.

      Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — November 21, 2018 @ 17:09

      • Comparing Islam with any other theistic believe is a category error. Read the books.

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        Comment by nationofnope — November 21, 2018 @ 17:22

        • Dear Nation, No that is not the point. The point is in my country Islam is seriously prevented from any authority while the religious fundamentalist are taking over my countries government. Heck they wont let us atheist in to power much less Muslims.

          You say comparing Islam to any other theistic belief is an error. Please explain how the Muslims with no power are a bigger threat to me as a gay man than the Fundamentalist Christians infesting our government are. Remember the fundamentalist Christians are calling for the imprisonment of gay people, the forced reeducation of gay people, the extermination of LGBTQ people, and that our Vice President Mike Pence is a 100% believer in those ideals. Before he was vice president he called for the removal of funds for aids research to instead give conversion therapy to gays to make them straight.

          Again to anyone reading this, the Muslims in the US are not a problem, they don’t have an expectation of authority that the Christians do. The Christians demand the power they use to have over all of us, the Muslims only want to do their own thing with out being attacked.

          Heck any google search will show the amount of attack s on LGBTQ by Christians is way higher than attacks on LGBTQ by Muslims in the US

          So if we are talking about the effect of a religion on a culture you are wrong about it in the US.
          If you mean something else, please let me know. Hugs

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          Comment by Scottie — November 21, 2018 @ 17:53

          • I think you’re wrong. The establishment clause is a veneer that needs constant attention. I am a member of and contributor to the Freedom From Religion Foundation. I get the monthly newsletters and disseminate alerts on their efforts to stay ahead of the fire hose of theistic shenanigans.

            Islam does not recognize secular authority, period. Their ace in the hole is time. They believe of the inevitability of their stated destiny.

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            Comment by nationofnope — November 21, 2018 @ 21:10

            • I also am a member of the FFRF and the ACLU. You seem to think that Christianity here int eh US follows the rules they don’t like? As you know they constantly try to push into schools, and into the government. They want the right to deny civil rights and to make other religions as not equal.

              On Islam, I am sure there are some in the US who would prefer to live in a religious nation. However they are a much smaller group than Christianity and they are not use to having the privilege that Christianity does.

              As I said as a gay man in the US Christianity in all its forms are a far greater threat to me than Islam is. I have never been assaulted by a Muslim for being gay. I have had been attacked by good Christians trying to show their gods love by beating what they think their god hates. So I guess on this we will have to disagree. Be well. Hugs

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              Comment by Scottie — November 22, 2018 @ 08:31

              • It is propably a problem of the sheer number just imagine that a minority – and in the USA muslims are a minority themselves – don’t act as forceful, as they probably do in their own countries, or where their minority is of a greater percentage.
                From the German perspective I could say:
                muslims dont equal muslims; there are Salafistes in germany owning lots of mosqes and their Imams try to make a turkish/Erdogan policy within germany. And as you probably know Erdogan, he interferes in German politics.
                For instance: Erdogan takes a lot of ‘Syrian’ refugees in the turkey , which dont come for asylum to Germany. This is in the onehundred-thousand numbers. Erdogan gets much money from EU for this; and anytime there is a problem with Germany, Gülem for instance, Erdogan threatens to send much more refugees to Germany for asylum-. By this he influences German politics, and it is hard to press him back.
                And as we have 5 Million Muslems in Germany, more than 6%, the USA have only 0,6% living as Muslims in your country.
                So the numbers and the special situation with Erdogan brings other problem then you in the USA do have with muslims.
                As another religious group, they dont “fit” into Germans Society. This starts from workers Union, goes via Kid-marriages, to generally the place of women in Islam society
                And The green party in Germany has – for reasons of own influence, created the so called two-passes-nationality. Means: Turks/ Muslim can get two Nationalities being able to vote in elections in Germany and in Erdogans country.
                This double-nationality causes very great problems but the German socialists back that system. This leads to problems even in school, when muslim Girls do not take part in the swimming lessens on their parents backing. And so muslims, in part of Germany are – on Imames orders – not the least integrated.
                So Scottie dont make your judgement about muslims only dependent on how they treated you as a gay man.
                And please take a look, at how ‘christans are treated in muslim countries.
                Hugs

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                Comment by miles — November 22, 2018 @ 11:30

                • Hello Miles. I thank you for your information and feelings, but I think you are mixing apples and oranges. First I agree refugees and immigrants should follow the laws of the country they are entering. However it is something that goes both ways, as large groups of people enter a culture they change it with out meaning to. Even when the immigrants are assimilating they are sharing their culture also.

                  I can not address the rights and requirements of immigrants to your country. I do know one Scandinavian country had strict schooling rules for immigrants that explained the culture and legal requirements. If they want to stay in the country they have to pass the schools.

                  You say I should not judge Muslims on how they treat me in my country where I am and they are also. How else would I judge them but by their actions? As for how they treat Christians in Islamic countries that is not relevant to how the majority of Muslims act in the US. I have to add all the information I have and come to a judgement. One of the things is how Muslims act in my country compared to how Christians act in my country.
                  So I stand by what I have said. I have looked at the facts as best I can. In the US Muslims are not as demanding that others worship or follow their rules as Christians are. Hugs

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                  Comment by Scottie — November 22, 2018 @ 12:51


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