Scotties Toy Box

November 30, 2018

For Colorstorm

Filed under: Atheism, Cartoons, Funny Stuff, Memes, Questions, Reason, Religion — Scottie @ 18:03

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  1. Love it! I always wonder why religious nutters are arguing with non-Phd atheists about evolution and not, well, evolutionary biologists? Weird, eh.

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    Comment by inspiredbythedivine1 — November 30, 2018 @ 18:23

    • Yes, it seems the belief now is any idiot is as educated in a subject as a person who studies the field and has worked in it for years. I doubt ColorStorm will ever see it. Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — December 1, 2018 @ 06:01

  2. Good one, Scottie! Hugs!

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    Comment by jilldennison — November 30, 2018 @ 20:37

  3. There are none so blind as those who don’t want to see.

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    Comment by kersten — December 1, 2018 @ 09:36

    • Yes, guess nothing can be done. But I hold out hope some can be reached. Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — December 1, 2018 @ 10:46

  4. They are being reached all the time by civilised society , the tide of which cannot be stopped.

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    Comment by kersten — December 1, 2018 @ 12:27

    • Thank you Kersten. Will they come with the rest of us, or be an anchor that will hold us back and sabotage the future. Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — December 1, 2018 @ 12:34

      • I think we have to face far more dangerous things in the future we plan. Remember the supposedly religious Mr Trump is busy making deals with two communist communities ( by name only) namely China and Russia. Religion in most of those that adhere to it is quickly pushed aside when they face unpleasant lifestyle changes ; it is a surface veneer very similar to suit and tie civilisation. I forgot to include that excellent state Saudi Arabia.

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        Comment by kersten — December 2, 2018 @ 06:54

  5. Well, being the fair minded person that I am, I at least have to thank you for being inspired to devote a post.

    I’m not much into funny papers though.

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    Comment by ColorStorm — December 1, 2018 @ 16:22

    • Be well John. If you wish to talk privately in email, mine is listed on the blog. If you wish to comment on the posts here in my Toy Box you are welcome. I am not angry nor do I have hate for you, I am sad. We have brains and intellect, we have discovered so much from the 1100 to 2000 year ago peoples who struggled to understand their world, put it into political histories, and wanted to write glorious views of how they would triumph. Miles is a former teacher who can give you the real in depth history of all of that area. John, we have advanced, we know this now. Be good to your self and know I wish you the best. Please visit and leave your comments again. Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — December 1, 2018 @ 16:59

      • Tks scott- a few additions if I may.

        No need to go private, I am not ashamed or embarrassed about anything. Nothing hidden.

        As to Academia: I have many friends who are MD’s and one in particular best friend who is PhD in microbiology.

        I could boast of his knowledge regarding science and scripture, specifically in the area of design whereby he says, all his colleagues admit to the impossibility of design without intelligence, yet so few of them are willing to concede that God…….

        That said, don’t make the mistake of thinking that believers are unlearned or ignorant in the sciences, on the contrary, perhaps we are even better read, having honestly assessed information using facts, logic, reason, and common sense.

        Key word: facts. The facts of the microscope according to him demolish atheism, and many many scientists agree.

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        Comment by ColorStorm — December 1, 2018 @ 17:26

        • yet so few of them are willing to concede that God……. Gee. I wonder why that is …

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          Comment by Nan — December 1, 2018 @ 17:33

          • Because while knowing its true, they can not tolerate losing their funding and status. Truth has this effect.

            Honesty is a btich.

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            Comment by ColorStorm — December 1, 2018 @ 17:35

            • you seem to be talking about the cleargyman in the churches!. This IS funny : a fairytale-believer talking about “TRUTH”

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              Comment by miles — December 2, 2018 @ 08:58

        • Good morning John. The fact is that among scientists and biologists there is no debate. There are a few minor numbers of doubters but that is a fringe. I use to work in the Surgical ICU of a major hospital. Some MD’s are dumb. Some nurses are seriously dumb. I have seen medical people go against good practice and medical care by putting their faith before the biology of the human body. Not once did prayer cure or even heal one of our patients even though one of our main doctors was a super christian who visited the Vatican each year and was chummy with the local bishop. The point has been thrashed out before. I wont say you are ignorant but I will say you put your faith before information and data, before well known science backed up by evidence. How does Ken Ham put it, look at everything with “God Goggles” and if you see something that doesn’t agree with the bible throw it out. Why do these Christian groups have such strict mission statements that say you can not work or go to school there even if you are a religious believer if you admit to any evidence of evolution? To deny what is clearly right in front of you is not being smart, nor being religious, it is being dumb. I have listened to really great scientist online who are also Christians. They believe in evolution because the facts show it to be true. It doesn’t hurt their belief , and they do not look like idiots trying to defend what they know can not be true.

          Do you know of Bryan Fischer? He is a fundamentalist talk radio host who makes him self look stupid because he thinks everything in the bible is perfectly true. He said the other day he knew why the dinosaurs went extinct. After mentioning they were on the ark with Noah and the other animals, he says the dinosaurs starved to death. Why? Well he says that after a year of flood there was not enough vegetation to feed the big herbivores that t-Rex ate. When the big plant eaters died from lack of vegetation so did t-Rex because he had no food to eat. When it was pointed out to him that if there was no vegetation then none of the plant eaters would survive. Well he said there was enough for the cows and other animals, just not enough for the dinosaurs. It was pointed out the plant eating dinos would have eaten what vegetation there was along with the other herbivores and they all would have died out. But he couldn’t see that. It made too much sense. So then it was pointed out that the meat eating dinos would eat the cows and everything else. Don’t be silly , dinosaurs only ate dinosaurs he claimed. Again it makes no sense but in his world / mind set it does.

          https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2018/11/28/bryan-fischer-dinosaurs-went-extinct-because-plants-died-out-after-noahs-flood/

          https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2018/11/30/creationist-bryan-fischer-doubled-down-on-his-wacky-dinosaur-extinction-theory/

          This John is what I mean by denying evidence and reason and looking dumb. Facts are important as you say, and the fact is all the biological science shows evolution happened. And it did not need a deity to do so. Be well, got other things to get to now. Hugs

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          Comment by Scottie — December 2, 2018 @ 06:53

    • You seem to have difficulties with the real meaning of the word “funny”. Not all, that you don’t understand is funny. So I would not call your bible – which of the 99 Issues has it been? – Funny. Could one call a fairytale-book funny?

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      Comment by miles — December 2, 2018 @ 08:20

  6. -scott
    Gill
    miles
    nan
    etc etc-

    Think of the smartest person you know. Then consider there is someone smarter than him/her. Then consider the world’s renowned scientists who are allegedly geniuses. Pick one. Any one.

    Now consider who you think is the dumbest rock in the box- your Christian cousin- your Jewish rabbi- the trash man- the coffer girl- your godless scientist who is a known dope addict- doesn’t matter pick one.

    Now compare and contrast your OPINION of why you think one is above the other, and I can assure you, that the very metric you use must conclude yourself in the field of idiots………..by comparison. Point being, comparing yourself with others is not too smart, and at the end of the day, your hero scientists will be thought to be idiot by someone greater.

    I have proved to you there are Phd’s who are heads and shoulders above others in their fields, yet who come to opposite conclusions viewing the same information, meaning there is no shortage or weakness of information. It’s all about processing. But your gripes are nothing new. Which leads me to this.

    Pick your favorite atheist/hero/scientist. Any one. I don’t care who. Now, I ask you, to read, on their behalf, the 38th of Job in the excellent language of the KJV 1611, and then ask yourself, AFTER reading honestly the implications of WHO IS THIS? and ANSWER IF YOU CAN,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    …………are these people REALLY that smart when confronted with One GREATER? and this is the crux you need to answer yourself. Is there One greater than yourself, in Whom holds every reservoir of knowledge, wisdom, and life found in creation. To me, the answer is obvious. I have taken the truth test. Have you? Will you?

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    Comment by ColorStorm — December 2, 2018 @ 12:07

    • CS, you wrote: It’s all about processing. And THAT is a statement I can agree with!

      Christians like yourself process information through the rose-colored lens of your faith. Others, like those you addressed your comment to, process information using clear-eyed logic and reasoning. The folks you mentioned with the PhD’s obviously put on their glasses before they present their “colored” conclusions.

      Have a nice Sunday. Enjoy your church services and be sure to offer praises to your god. 🙂

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      Comment by Nan — December 2, 2018 @ 12:22

      • One vote for Nan is greater than God.

        Apparently the mere questions of nature escaped your notice. Perhaps your godless scientist friends gave flying lessons to eagles.

        Hilarious really. Maybe if you would actually read the 38th of Job……………then again, not the kind of questions that are comfortable for the pseudo einsteins of the world.

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        Comment by ColorStorm — December 2, 2018 @ 12:46

        • John I think I am safe saying that as I can easily prove Nan exists she is greater than a god that there is no evidence for and none can prove exists.

          Why do you and other theists think just because you look on nature, see a tree , or a bird, or even a sunrise that that is evidence for God? We know how these things work now, we have more knowledge than superstitious peoples 2000 to 6000 years ago. They couldn’t imagine a metal tube that flies through the air, but we have lots of airplanes today. We have narrowed the “God of the Gaps” down until the places that God can hide in are getting rather small.

          I think John, the uncomfortable questions in this go both ways. Do you know have any problem with taking the writings of uninformed people of 2000 years ago over the peer reviewed scientific knowledge we have today? Do you not understand we know the world wide flood of the bible could not have happened. It simply could not have. I suggest you watch Aron Ra’s series YouTube videos on why it simply can couldn’t have happened that way. He also explains how other local flood myths may have been blown out of proportion and so began the Noah’s ark flood. Hugs

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          Comment by Scottie — December 2, 2018 @ 14:18

          • Just one thing to correct a common misconception scott.

            Uninformed people 2,000 years ago? Really? How do you explain then people well over 5,000 years who had the ability and knowledge to make brass having no periodic table of the elements and long before Herb Alpert wore diapers?

            The assumption of ‘stone age, ignorant, backwoods fisherman,’ has long been proven to be extremely myopic, for it can be proven that man has in fact devolved, not evolved.

            Read the news lately? And please don’t mention hi-tech or Apple watches worn by people who can’t give change for a dollar at McDonalds without
            a computer.

            As to the flood, ever heard of the fountains of the great deep? or the fact that oceans are deeper than the highest mountains on earth.

            I really do not want to embarrass you or your readers scott, but when you mock scripture, you ignore true science as you cling to assumptions which are a dime a dozen.

            By the way, as to ‘smarter people,’ were you aware that the so called great Einstein was not so great in the eyes of Nicola Tesla?

            Apparently the ‘peer reviews’ of the alleged scientist were not that ‘relative’ to reality. That said, King Solomon was light years ahead of any modern scientist.

            Need proof? Read his life and times and especially his speeches.

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            Comment by ColorStorm — December 2, 2018 @ 15:16

            • Oh John please do not try to say that the peopel 2000 years ago had any understanding of what we do today. There is much more known of our world and what causes things than they could imagine. Heck they had no idea of atoms, germs, cells among other things. They were ignorant compared with us today. I bet percentage wise we have more literacy today than they did. This is a silliness from you. Why would they need to know a periodic table to make brass? All they had to do was experiment with mixing different ores. The Chinese had been doing chemical and metal experiments long before the Middle East got around to it.

              How do you say with a straight face man has devolved. I assume you mean humans have lost some type of super skill that we do not have today. That is again silly. You are starting to sound like a Poe again. Read the news lately? Yes I do follow news and I just watched the other a Lander sent from earth six months ago do a 7 minute intricate set of steps to land safety on mars and send back images. Nest it starts it’s experiments. Do not even pretend you 2000 year old ancestors could have done that, nor even imagined it.

              The fountains of the deep is great poetry but meaning less. We do know as you say the depth of the ocean and what is under it. We know there is not a huge unseen reservoir of water that could be taped to flood the earth to the tops of the tallest mountains. Ocean depths have nothing to do with the amount of water needed, the water to make the flood would have to be added to the already existing water of the oceans. You are trying to take a negative and claim it is a positive.

              I really do not want to embarrass you or your readers scott, but when you mock scripture, you ignore true science as you cling to assumptions which are a dime a dozen.

              Right here is where you lose any credibility you may have had. Believing in a deity you can’t show exists is one thing, making outright lies such as the bible is true science. That is like claiming your little subcompact with the 1.2 engine could go fast and and handle better than an race car or luxury sports car designed to run at high speed.

              If the bible has all these science facts, what are they?

              You do love non-sequesters don’t you. What does it matter what Tesla thought about Einstein? Einstein was proven correct in his theories, and they were accept by the scientific community. That is what is important. Tesla had some good ideas but you will notice we did not use his DC idea of our electric systems do we.

              John I will stop engaging with you if you are going to make asinine statements like “Solomon was light years ahead of any modern scientist.”. You know as well as I do it can not be true as Solomon did not even have the idea of the scientific method, nor did he have the equipment of today, nor did he had the base of prior knowledge of scientist of today. The idea is simply insulting and you should know better if you are a rational being. Hugs

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              Comment by Scottie — December 2, 2018 @ 16:07

              • I used your own argument against you scott, and now you try to challenge it?

                Peer reviewed? Tesla? Einstein? I’m pointing out to you that the brightest minds disagree, but that ANY majority is useless, if there is ONE person disagrees.

                That ONE person may be correct, and the 99% can either change their minds or remain ignorant. I am not impressed by polls.

                That said, yes, man is still devolving. Atheism is proof. Technology and false science has utterly made men idiots.

                No poe needed, this is fact, whether you like it or not. God’s word will always be good. Some day you may see.

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                Comment by ColorStorm — December 2, 2018 @ 16:18

                • John I don’t see how you used my points against me at all. I never said all scientist 100% agree on all things. That is not reasonable at all. I also mentioned that majority of scientist and a preponderance of evidence. No you are wrong if one person disagrees there is not consensus of the majority. Think of it. Let say there are ten scientists and 9 of them say pouring gas on your self and lighting yourself on fire will cause you great harm or death , and one scientist who disagreed and thought doing it would not cause any harm. So does that make it harmless to pour gas on your self and then light your self on fire? Just as you went over board in thinking that every person who has made scientific break through some how had to agree with every idea or thought of the entire group.

                  I don’t care if you are impressed or not with polls. If 99% of accredited individuals who are in a field of study says X is true, and 1% disagrees unless the one percent can show how the other 99% are wrong and change their minds, the 1% is wrong. Period. That is the great thing with science , if someone can show an idea is wrong, they change the idea. That is how science progresses. Unlike the bible that is stuck as it was written 2000 years ago. That is why the bible is so full of errors, because it can not be updated as scientific theories are.

                  IF you think humans are devolving you are wrong , but it seems to imply you think evolution is true. Your slur about atheism aside you need to show some proof of humans devolving. See that would be biological and you are talking sociological. I guess you think humans are devolving because we understand more , and know more than the silliness of your holy bible. If you think because we know better than the desert dwelling goat herders of the bible we have some how become less, your being silly again. That makes no sense and defies reason.
                  Gods word will always be good you say? This from the same god who did not know the season for figs? The same god that did not know about washing your hands. The same god who did not know anything more than the primitive humans that created and wrote about him?

                  John I have respected you. Regardless of your belief in a deity you can be reasonable and not a moron. So if you wish to keep talking with me on this you will go back to reason and not making bullshit statements that mean nothing and are not even worth typing.

                  Night. Hugs

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                  Comment by Scottie — December 2, 2018 @ 16:48

                  • Scottie,

                    I am telling you that it is irrelevant how many scientists agree on something vs a minority who disagree.

                    I am talking about principle. Only an unprincipled person would bend his view because it is not popular.

                    Shall I remind you of that brilliant statesman Stephen, who before a council of ‘learned ones,’ refused to back down, still told the truth, and was stoned to death.

                    Some things are more important than life; keeping true to ones unpopular views are one of them. The ‘majority’ was dead wrong.

                    Science is no different. A college degree today is pretty much compared to an eighth grade education only a hundred years ago. Yes, intelligence is waning.

                    Technology magnifies stupidity. I have already told you about cashiers who can’t count to ten, then there are millions of people walking around staring into their phones, being oblivious to common sense and manners.

                    Please don’t tell me about progress. It’s overrated.

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                    Comment by ColorStorm — December 2, 2018 @ 17:20

                    • John your first point I already showed you is wrong. But not just by me but by all reasonable people. Consensus of experts in their disciplines is very informative and valuable. If the ones who disagree don’t have the evidence or data to back them up , they are wrong. You understand that as well as I do. It is silly to even argue this point further.

                      No one said to bend your view point because it was not popular. Even you have to admit that evidence and data mean far more than superstition.

                      Again with the unpopular views. This is not a high school club we are talking about. We are discussing things there is evidence for and proven understandings of the way things are, verses misinformation and superstitions. What majority was dead wrong? The one that thought dead bodies come back to life and holy men get out of their graves for a stroll through town?

                      No John a college degree is not equivalent to an eight grade education years ago. I know that from personal fact. My step father had only an 8th grade education. He was born in the early 1930’s. He did not have even the equivalent education of his kids in the 1970’s and myself in the 1980’s. An education is normally what you put into it is what you will get out of it. Higher education helps you develop reasoning skills.

                      Again it doesn’t matter if you like progress or not, it is happening and it is “progress” over the past. Again I will take smart phones and electronic cash registers over primitive living conditions and rampant disease and illness leading to life spans in the 30 to 40 year range. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — December 2, 2018 @ 17:52

                    • Sorry scottie, but you are dead wrong as to the ‘majority’ of people who believed the scriptural narrative of ‘dead people coming back to life.’

                      Hardly. It was no more popular then than today.

                      But you are once more missing the point about progress. I have an iPhone, and I use it. Technology is a tool, period. There are people who can build computers from scratch, but who cannot boil water or pound a nail.

                      This is the thing you fail to see. Modern day men are clueless compared to Adam and the wife. And oh, there is Job the scientist, Noah the hydrologist, Solomon the architect, the Economics professor, Solomon the Statesman, Solomon the botanist, Solomon the Judge, Solomon the draftsman, Amos the farmer whose knowledge of the fields would embarrass Bob Evans, and should I tell you about uncle Mordecai who was instrumental in raising a young woman to save the nation of Israel from extermination?

                      These were good people. They lived. They died. The accounts are true. Scripture is far advanced in telling of technology scottie, because God knows past, present, and future.

                      There is a cashless society coming to a town near you, courtesy of heads up by scripture, and of course, men will implement this system using science and tech, which will of course once more, prove God’s word entirely good.

                      Like it or not, its true, as is the rest of scripture. But your greater concern should be WHY scientists are admitting to the excellency of scripture, which only proves God’s word.

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                      Comment by ColorStorm — December 2, 2018 @ 18:21

                    • CS, why don’t you ask your god to transport you back to the days of the bible? From everything you write, you seem to feel the people then were wiser and smarter. You’d probably be much happier in those surroundings rather than having to live in this world of modern technology — and atheistic mindsets. Surely the one who made it all has the power to honor your request.

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                      Comment by Nan — December 2, 2018 @ 18:28

                    • Hey John, are we having the same conversation? You have so far ignored everything I have asked you and now you jump to a majority of people believing the scripture narrative. You are saying it did not happen? But I thought you believed everything in the book?

                      So what about peoples skills not being the same bothers you? I can build a computer. I can not do the construction remodeling our home like my husband. He can do that, I tried to put a door knob on a closet yesterday and when it was a different size he had to show me how to chisel out the right size openings and line stuff up. My adoptive father was a master carpenter who use to get upset at me because I did not know the difference between oak, ash, pine and a dozen other kinds of lumber. Then again he was a bastard and I served two tours in the US military. My point is we all have different skills, and that is not a bad thing.

                      Again John you try to prove the points of your bible with the bible . So Job was a scientist, please show me outside the bible where this is recorded. What great discoveries has he made? What field did he get named after him? Please save your self and me time with this silliness. I told you before there is not only no evidence of a world wide flood but there is evidence it couldn’t have happened. It goes beyond incredulity to think of the whole Noah / flood story as being any more than a fable.

                      No John they are characters in a book. That is all that can be said of them. You don’t know anymore than the book describes. That is the whole point. You may want to day dream up a scenario for them, build them a life just as you imagine. But that is all it is , your imagination. Now I do admit there are a very few people mentioned in the bible who are real people, as they are mentioned by contemporaries of the time and in texts out side the bible. But that is a very small few.

                      We are almost a totally cashless society now if you are talking solely about using paper money and coins. So what. We still use money, only the way we move it has changed. Plus no one refuses cash, most just don’t prefer to use it. Gods word did not say wont use cash. Nice spin of your own there. I believe it said you wont be able to buy or sell with out the mark of the beast. That could mean anything from a tax number to a seal by a local office back 2000 years ago.

                      John you keep saying it is true, like it or not it is true. Get it understood it is not about like or dislike, it is about evidence. You have none! There is nothing to back up your position but empty air and the words of a book you think proves it self. It doesn’t.

                      Now stop messing around. I am tired and going to bed. If you want to keep talking answer the questions I have asked you. If you do not remember them, read my replies to your comments. Stop wasting my time with vague proclamations that answer nothing and stop diverting the conversation with out answering a single question. Real scientists are not having anything to do with the bible John, they are doing real work in reality. Again you damn well know that and I am tired of this pretending of yours. Give me facts and data to support your position or admit you can not do so. Good night. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — December 2, 2018 @ 18:53

                    • I get to the heart of things scott without frivolous or endless chatter.

                      Scripture presents the only accurate account of mans origin, purpose, and destiny.

                      Science allows us to lead comfortable and meaningful lives, without having any contradictions of God’s word.

                      And of course I never said or implied that the ‘dead appeared to many in Jerusalem.’ I merely said it was not popular. Its no different today.

                      And to remind you, the cashless society was written and recorded long before there was a printing press, and long before there was a telephone, computer, and all other technology which will implement it.

                      Sorry this fact of scripture’s accuracy escapes you.

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                      Comment by ColorStorm — December 2, 2018 @ 19:31

                    • OK ColorStorm I am going to change tactics because you can not seem to engage in a reasoned conversation. You refuse to answer questions put to you, you dance around a topic worse than a person with fire ants in their shorts, and you try to change up into down so you can distort things. I am getting to tired to play much longer.

                      So to your first line, you don’t think never making a point, never supplying evidence , never following reason is not frivolous? You seem to delight in wasting more of the time people have to take to read your comments that go nowhere.

                      Your assertion that scripture is the accurate account of mans origin is total bullshite. However let’s see your peer reviewed documented data for that, show the evidence or do not make the claim. My view is your holy book simply copies and borrows from the myths and legends that were in surrounding areas earlier in time. But prove me wrong. Show me how your scripture can defeat the human gnome project results, and how your scripture can explain away the evidence we have proving it incorrect.

                      On the dead you have managed to twist it around so I am not sure where the strings start. I posted a meme saying that there was no record other than in the bible that recorded the saints getting out of the graves and walking around seen by people in Jerusalem. You said I was wrong. You also have said you stand by what was written in the bible. Please try to make your self clear and get on one side or the other as your reply here makes no sense. Explain what you mean by not popular. Of course the zombie up raising of a bunch of dead people wont be popular. I assume you did not watch “the walking dead” or “van Helsing” about how it really sucks to have the dead hanging around messing the towns up.

                      Look John, you can bad mouth science and there is some truth that society is changing due to social media habits, however that is not what your beef is with technology. I have no idea what you are trying to say about science letting you live comfortable lives with out having contradictions of gods word. That is very wrong. The fact is science shows very clearly the errors of “gods word”.

                      Cashless societies. I have to remind you that long before your holy book was written there were many cashless societies. In fact most were barter driven. In fact if I remember correctly the bible never said it would be a cashless society. It says you wont be able to buy or sell with the mark of the beast, and I said this to you about four comments ago. So you have failed in your snark at accuracy, you do not have any. Try again, this time with more evidence, data, and truth would be nice. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — December 3, 2018 @ 16:07

                    • oops sorry scott-
                      typo/miss

                      Meant to say ‘I never meant nor implied that the the dead appearing in Jerusalem,’ was not factual, but that it was simply not popular. No different today.

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                      Comment by ColorStorm — December 2, 2018 @ 19:42

                    • Then please explain why no one else recorded it. Why only in the bible. Seems I think every scribe in town would be writing about running into dear old dead Bubba who died ten years ago and is now doing the rumba dance around town. Kind of really silly don’t you think? Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — December 3, 2018 @ 16:11

    • Hello John. Thank you for your reply. Sorry I am late getting back to you, I am very busy today and have been out of my office.

      John you are very correct that there a world of people that have more education than I do. However if I was going to take someones word for theoretical physics I would take Stephen Hawkins over Jeff the short order cook at the local dinner. My point is you can have confidence that if a majority of people in a field of study, say 98% , agree with with each what the data means, they are correct.

      I agree with you that processing the information is very important. It is also important to make sure the data is gotten correctly. However you can not properly process the data if you don’t know the subject. For me to argue with a biologist like Dawkins, for me to think I know something he doesn’t about biology or that I figured out something he did not know in the field he taught all his life is madness. It is beyond stupidity. It is the Dunning Kruger effect.

      I did read Job 38 as you ask. It was not really relative to the conversation. Had it been a peer reviewed paper I would have respected it more. You can not use a book to prove it self. But it did give me a question for you. When I looked it up, I read it in two different versions. One the KJV and the other NIV. They differed in words used. That led me to the question of how you know the bible you are using has not been mistranslated, how it is really what your god wanted you to know. What if important words were mistranslated, like the words for “virgin” and “young maiden”, which I have read is why the mistaken idea of Mary mother of Jesus being a virgin? You could be practicing a totally wrong idea of what your god really meant.

      As you say John these things others have talked about with you. They are important things to discuss because people keep making the same mistakes and the same arguments. But really what it comes down to John would you trust a meal to be safe if it was cooked in a professional inspected kitchen staffed by trained cooks, or one prepared in filthy alley with food pulled from a dumpster by someone who was mentally ill. That is the comparison we make when we say we reject peer reviewed science in favor of just some layman who doesn’t’ understand the very topic. I look forward to your response to my questions. Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — December 2, 2018 @ 13:51

      • Scottie – dear, Why don’t you insist on getting anwers on your questions and arguments before answering any of CPs bullshit pseudo-arguments. He waists and steals your time and ours too; And doing so , he is so unfaiththul , that he has not even answered argument, I put before him.
        Waht about all those Kidraping priests, and the bishops and cardinal comouflaging these cimes he doesnt even give the slightest attention to; by doing so, he is accepting these crimes.

        So he isn’t worth waisting ones time, although others could maybe learn from the dispute. The only thing one could learn from his unfaithful bullshit , a reader just learns HIS bullshit.
        As long he does not give verifiable answers, and by verifiable answers I do not mean his fairytale-bullshit – I would concede that he uses his fairytale-bullschit as scientific answer,
        Cause faith is the counterpart of science. Anything that you can only believe in , has nothing to do with a scientific approach on matters.
        Ask him, if he could reproduce ANY of his fairytale- bullshit — not by just reading it again, but by reproducing the facs. Meaning any proof for the the “BigRain, and “Noahs ark” – bullshit.
        In my opinion the whole of the fairytale-books, he calls bibles. are insults to human logic.

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        Comment by miles — December 3, 2018 @ 11:42

        • I made a great mistake:
          It should read:
          “As long he does not give verifiable answers, and by verifiable answers I do not mean his fairytale-bullshit – I would NOT concede that he uses his fairytale-bullschit as scientific answers,”

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          Comment by miles — December 3, 2018 @ 13:18

          • I understood what you were getting at. Hugs

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            Comment by Scottie — December 3, 2018 @ 14:10

        • I understand Miles. I am frustrated also. More because I simply do not have time for evasive bullshit. However I am trying to remember that while I will never reach John, there may be people reading along who are learning new things and may use it to find there way out of religion. Every time he can not answer a question and dodges it , he shows everyone that there is no reason to believe in a god.

          Miles I know you are smart and able to jump in as you have. You are welcome to use your knowledge and teachers instincts to talk to ColorStorm. Just know on other blogs he either evades, makes a nonsense general statement, or does personal attacks. You know how I hate personal attacks. I have not gotten back to ColorStorm yet is because I had 10 very painful shots today and I did not sleep much last night. Heck I have not been able to get more than 4 or 5 hours sleep for a month or more. The reason for both of those is my bone damage to my spine is now given me a muscle condition. So the muscle gets rock had and can not get blood or nutrients in and can not pass toxins out, Then the muscle starts to die. Now they are saying I will have to have four deep spine shots and then something I did not quite understand, but they are going to use frequency to disable the nerves causing the problem, giving about 6 months of relief while the nerve heals it self.
          Again I agree with you. When I feel up to it I will answer him. I got up at four AM and it is now 2 PM and I just getting time to eat. Be well. Love and hugs

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          Comment by Scottie — December 3, 2018 @ 14:01

          • Sorry my dear friend Scottie,
            just one sentence: I do hate personal attacks too, and CS’ attacks my dignity by his fairytale bullshit; and that is, where I start personal attacs too – by just attacking CS’ bigotry.
            I wish you allllll the best for your bones and the nerve-sytem. And I know the greatest part comes from your early being abused soo long.

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            Comment by miles — December 3, 2018 @ 15:08

            • Miles I know you can fight an idea with the best of us. I also know you do not do personal attacks against a person unless provoked. You have commented here since I first started the blog. You never were abusive to anyone even when attacked. You always had good arguments and you knew the facts. You do not have anything to apologize to me for. You be well tonight, I will hear from you in the morning. Hugs

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              Comment by Scottie — December 3, 2018 @ 15:39

  7. CS, your fairytales Will never be my truth. So if god exists in your belief, so be it.
    but your ignorance of the right of others, to have their own view of the world – probably without a god, a hell, a heaven, makes me angry, so I fight every try to proselitize others, by forcing parts of your fairytalebook on them.
    You are just acting like the man, who tried to proselitize the natives on that isle near India and who was later killed by these natives. You are doing just the same as him, forcing for instance me, to read some of your bullshit, which I really despise.
    So why dont you accept the very clear decision, and try not to be a martyr in the safety of the hiding in the Unknown?
    You better should try to do something good to the world: Meaning, do your proselitizing on your kidfuckin Priests, your womanraping Bishops or your childabusing Cardinals; or your murderish nuns, killing children just because their Mothers have made ONE mistake, to get their child without being merried. For all of them should be forgiveness only in what you call hell. At least they are all cowards, running to the church for confession, feigning remorse and be forgiven
    😦 😦 😦
    They are all murderers of souls at least. And their believers tolerate this without intervening but doing a lot of camouflaging instead, that is the worst, that can be said about all ignorant believers of one of the 99 different fairytalebooks.
    They tolerate murder by their priest, bishops, and cardinals and of the nuns in their convent.
    How many blinders – speaking with your own word – does one have to be active, NOT to know what happens in world of the churches?
    And you try to proselitize people, who just hate that.
    Wouldn’t you think, that is some kind of being bigot?
    And pls, don’t try to remind me again on Job’s fairytales or other –

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    Comment by miles — December 2, 2018 @ 14:01

    • Hello Miles. While I doubt we can make much head way on ColorStorm there are people who read along with out commenting and they may see the validity of what we are saying. It could help them on their journey from theist to atheist. That is why I keep trying. There are more silent readers who are learning than I might think. Hope you are staying warm. Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — December 2, 2018 @ 14:31

  8. “… I would take Stephen Hawkins over Jeff the short order cook at the local dinner.” HEY!!!! That’s just your opinion, pal! Lots of folks ask my opinion on black holes and astrophysics whilst I’m cookin’ burgers, and they all go away feeling very well entertained.

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    Comment by inspiredbythedivine1 — December 2, 2018 @ 14:04


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