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December 2, 2018

Tears

Filed under: Cartoons, Memes, News, Political, Questions — Scottie @ 08:04

(story here) .. (cartoon by Adam Zyglis)

(story here) .. (cartoon by Andy Marlette)

(cartoon by Stuart Carlson)

 

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  1. What can I say other than joining your suite of cartoons with my very own at https://soundeagle.wordpress.com/2017/10/18/the-quotation-fallacy/best-quotation-to-win-an-exclusive-loyal-contract-to-make-pig-boss-company-great-again/

    Happy December to you, Scottie!

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    Comment by SoundEagle 🦅ೋღஜஇ — December 2, 2018 @ 08:29

  2. So we all will be left unprotected. All this stupid does is forbidding the highly intelligent to speak out, but calling to rake the woods for better fireprotection.
    That is trumps use of High ingtelligence aainst climate change. Well all you apes, climb the mountains, the woods are gonna be raked.

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    Comment by miles — December 2, 2018 @ 09:07

    • Hello Miles. Can you imagine a world leader who is afraid to go out in the rain as it will mess up his hair and show he is mostly bald? that is tRump. Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — December 2, 2018 @ 10:00

  3. The bomb thing is funny as hell!

    To be fair there was zero outrage for 8 years while Obama used tear gas on average more than once per month and a few times at that same border crossing.
    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-tear-gas-border-migrants/

    No outrage then but outrage now would make us hypocrites. However the media failing to do it’s job because they liked Obama (so do I) is no excuse on thier part. And people wonder why I don’t trust the news. Not because Trump told me not to. But because they have proven time and again they can’t be trusted. If they like the president they will bury a story. If not then they make a mountain of it all while ignoring the facts that just a few years ago they ignored the same story as meaningless.

    While I believe the two mens motives were different. I also detest the fact that the media choose to bury this from us.

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    Comment by Michelle Styles — December 3, 2018 @ 13:32

    • Hello Michelle. I know you wont be surprised when I tell you I agree with you. I have had to in my jobs be tear gases and pepper sprayed. I also had to go thorough a “smoke house” in Naval training in the Great Lakes. That last one was the worst, it was a concrete bunker where on one side they burned grasses and junks filling the bunker with smoke, you had to walk in with no protection, grab a rope at hip height and follow it around the bunker until you reached the exit where you banged on the door to get let out. It was horrible. I would be surprised if they even do it today as it was such a health hazard. You coughed black gunk out of your lungs for days, the first day or two every breath was sharp and painful.

      I have been under tear gas with a gas mask on in the Army, it is required training to see if you can get your mask on in time and if your mask is sealed correctly. IF you goof that once you are not likely to do it twice. About the pepper spray I had to do it once a year for 6 years when I was at the nuclear plant. Sometimes twice a year if the NRC wanted to be pricks about something. Remember we had medics and facilities with lots of running water. Still it was miserable. Your eyes almost swell shut and weep, you can not stop the tears, it stings your face and eyes and nose. Snot runs out of you worse than any cold or flu. Jut a river of snot and you think you are choking because breathing is so hard and so much snot is in the way. I have seen pepper spray take down fully trained Marine.
      I say all this to explain why I am against most uses of the chemicals. I am totally against their use on children as that can be deadly. They shouldn’t be used on population that doesn’t have access to free running water to rinse their eyes, face, and hair with.

      I was only some what aware what was happening at the border during the Obama years. I had gone back to work in 2010 and I was struggling with my health so badly in 2013 / 2014 I was on the verge of always being hospitalized. I did know about the large amount of kids showing up at the border with out any adult asking for asylum. I did not know about camps and cages but I do remember reading the courts had ruled they could only keep the kids for a short period of time in these facilities , no if, and , or buts.

      I assure you I am as angry at the Obama administration if they did this as I am at tRump’s administration. I do think one difference is intent. To address that I have to ask you what you think of this report on truthorfiction.com. I use to to double check Snopes and the other way around. Both are fact checking sites. They seem to disagree on the facts of major issue about the subject.
      https://www.truthorfiction.com/did-obama-administration-fire-teargas-border-monthly/

      What has changed in 2018 is that a militarized force showed up in San Ysidro, California, and fired chemical agents not at the border, but over it into another country’s sovereign territory, breaching international law and deliberately hitting unarmed civilians. The move has some precedents, which were at the time widely decried by humanitarian activists and elected officials and widely ignored by everyone else, but nothing paralleling the events of November 25th, 2018 has happened before.

      Regardless if I read both correctly the circumstances are rather different. Instead of initially one border patrol agent the latest event was a large force of border patrol in right gear from head to toe and they had a fence between them and the immigrants that the immigrants couldn’t get through. Our people fired not at the border but over it into a another country. That could be seen as an act of war.

      Nothing I have said excuses any administration, including Obama’s, from using tear gas or pepper spray on children or refugees trying to apply for asylum.

      Instead of sending troops to the border for an election stunt at a cost between 75 million and 200 million, it would have been far smarter to send a couple hundred immigration judges down there , get the people processed and clear the back log.

      I admit with all I was doing at the time I did not hear of any major events at the border other than all these unaccompanied minors. So yes I agree it you, reporting should be with out bias and should be the facts only please. Given the facts to what happened with out all the hype.

      As for the media that lets their biases determent the stories they run, I hate that, but can not address what was happening then because I was not really paying attention like I do now.

      On your last point about outrage. I don’t think it makes us the people wrong to voice our outrage at these things happening even if we did not know about what was happening in a prior administration. I think it is never too late to stand up for the defenseless, to demand better of our leaders, to say something is wrong and we wont have it. Yes we need to do it regardless of the party in power. But just because we did not know it happened before is not a good reason to let it happen again.

      Best wishes. You always are a champion. Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — December 3, 2018 @ 15:27

      • Oh I fully agree. We do need to be upset and stand up. But i am upset at two things.

        1) The media for buring stories for presidents they like. I am furious with this. Because had we known thn maybe this would have been even illegal today. If the media was doing their jobs then like they are doing now we might not be talking about this now at all.

        2) The curtrent administration because yes they used it against targets inside the Mexican side of the border. Among those was women and children. We could have used mild electricity on the fence to detere people touching it. (Non-lethal like a 9v battery. Just a tingle. But no we escalated it. I disagree with escalation entirely. Just because you break into my house I shouldn’t shoot accross the street at Ron. This is entirely the same. 500 bad apples and we punished the entire caravan. That is very, very deeply disturbing.

        I guess I could add a third I am upset at.

        3) The 500 bad apples who basically used the women and children and decent people crossing as shields for their criminal activity. That still does not chnage the escalation we presented.

        I also agree it’s never too late. But we should hold everyone from congress to the news accountable for thier selective choosing of when to report or not report incidents like this. Every person responsible should be fired and replaced with people of integrity and honesty. Journalism is about the truth and not political bias. Duty to the people (for congress) is about consistency and decency. If it’s wrong now then it was wrong then and people like Pelosi, Boehner, Ryan, McConnel, Schumer et al should be recalled, impeached and replaced.

        yeah I’m that angry. I hate hypocrites like that.

        hugs, Doing a shoot in Aussie world. Got some nice pics out here. 🙂 I’ll send you one..

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        Comment by Michelle Styles — December 3, 2018 @ 15:50

        • Yes I can agree that if the news media hid these things it would be very upsetting. Yet I have a problem thinking Fox News with its out right hatred for Obama would have not reported on something that would have shown Obama in a very bad light. Remember they scourged him for wearing a tan suit and putting the wrong condiment on his hot dog.

          I also was upset at the tear gassing of the women and children. I will even admit I got so frustrated that I couldn’t help every time I seen the pictures of that woman trying her best to get to children out of harms way when one of her children did not even have flip flops I was in tears. Yes I cried for them and for the fact I can not help them. I had ten very painful shots today in my back and I did not cry out. I clenched my jaw and with stood it. Yet that set of photos brings tears to my eyes. Even now typing this I had to wipe my eyes. Maybe I am getting old, or something. You know when I went through bot camp they spent a lot of tie on what was a lawful order and what was not. The showed examples from the past of unlawful orders like My Lai Massacre. We were told that we had to decided quickly and on the spot if an order was lawful as if it was not and we followed it, we were responsible for anything that followed. Weird on one hand we were having it drilled into to us to follow orders and on the other we had to decided if the order was legal. Ii have asked my self for several days if I had been on that border and dressed in a way I couldn’t be harmed, if given the order to fire tear gas over the border into a defenseless crowd, would I have said no? Would I have refused to do it? I hope so. I have already searched my “soul” and know I would have flat out refused to take a child from a parent at the boarder. I would have taken the being fired and even threatened but no way I would have done it.

          I am confused about the 500? Maybe I am wrong but what i heard was a crowd of about 500 were blocked when about 200 made a run for the river bank, crossing the dry river to make run to the border fence. Maybe I did not get the number correct. But heck I can understand the frustration. They are legally allowed to cross anywhere and turn themselves i and ask for asylum. Instead the US demands they do it at a check point. OK I can see that , works better. But then the US stops processing any applications doing as little as 10 a day. The whole point by this administration is to get rid of any immigration from the southern border, legal or illegal. The are making the situation as desperate as it is. It did not need to be this way. Think of if instead of combat troops they had sent a few thousand JAG officers down there. A few thousand more people to process the claims. Instead they ( we ) played games with these peoples lives. They and their children are in a horrible situation. About the same as the people after Katrina.

          Oh Great Ancestors , I so agree with you. You are preaching to the choir with that holding everyone accountable. I love that entire paragraph. I will stand with you on that. One thing that would help is if the news went back to not needing to make a profit. The nightly news always was losing money compared to prime time. Yet the networks subsidized it because it was thought to be for the good of the country. That is long gone now. Hey what do you think of the TYT network.? I bought a subscription after doing their YouTube videos for a few years. They seem to be balanced even if they are really left progressive, they do seem willing to report bad things about the left. Hugs

          I would love a picture. Best to you. Hugs

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          Comment by Scottie — December 3, 2018 @ 17:00

          • “A group of at least 500 migrants joined a march from their shelter in Tijuana towards the border on Sunday.”

            “Several hundred managed to climb over the first barrier, according to AFP news agency. It was as they tried to cross a second, spike-topped wall that officials on the US side began firing tear gas.”

            From the BBC.
            https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46339085

            “Mexico pledged on Sunday to increase security near its border crossings and said it will deport some of the 500 asylum seekers who attempted to breach the United States border.”

            From Aljazera
            https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/11/mexico-plans-deport-migrants-breach-border-181126070026856.html

            Hence I say about 500 stormed the boarder. MSNBC and CNN reported similar numbers as these above. These are far from “right wing” and the bbc is generally decent at getting the facts.

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            Comment by Michelle Styles — December 4, 2018 @ 09:17

            • Good morning Michelle. I can see how you would think 500 fits. To me if 500 people march to Lincoln Memorial, but only 200 run up the steps and spray pain the inside, would you say it was 500 who did it or 200? That was the point I make. The 5 hundred that marched to the first fence on Mexico’s side were protesting.

              I thank you for the BBC link. Here is a quote from the story that the link goes too.

              Mexico says it has deported nearly 100 Central American migrants a day after they tried to storm the US border.

              The group, among thousands of migrants heading towards the US, was rounded up after trying to cross the border “violently” and “illegally” on Sunday, said the interior ministry.

              Video footage shows dozens of people running towards the border fence near the city of Tijuana.

              It was what I had seen before. I read what the BBC wrote, they also say it was a group of dozens. The area they breached was a line of police officers, they then ran up a hill and down into a dry river bed. I am not sure what wall that was they were climbing over and handing stuff up to people on it nor am I sure which sheet metal type barrier they showed some people pushing aside to also get to the dry river bed on the local news. I guess I will have to do a google maps sat view of the area to see what is these fences. Can not take the time right now as I am making a spaghetti tomato sauce for lunch, and for the pasta we will have cheese ravioli and spaghetti pasta.

              But what we do know is some people were in the no mans land on the Mexican side of the border. Say 200 as I have not seen any concrete numbers. We do know that to stop any advance towards the US border border patrol fired tear gas canisters at and into the people approaching. The pictures I seen on the local news showed very well protected border patrol in full armored riot gear with full helmets behind a tall metal slat fence with the openings too small to fit a person through. Maybe a child but no mother was going to push a child through knowing they couldn’t fit after them. They worked too hard to get them to safety. So now it is said that some of the advancing immigrants threw rocks. The statement put out by the administration was that there were men throwing rocks which hit the patrol agents. No way the agents could have been harmed regardless of what was thrown in that get up they were wearing. Now I have never thrown a rock. I have thrown a baseball. No way I could throw a rock as far as a tear gas canister can go when fired so I looked it up. Shot range is 33 yards up to 150 yards. SO basically times it by three to get a foot and you have 99 feet to 450 feet. 100 feet maybe a young man could throw a ball that far, I know today I couldn’t. But not much farther. Anyway the thing that gets me is most of what I have read says it is illegal to fire chemical weapons across a border into an other country. Now Mexico is not going to complain right now, but if they had fired something across the border into the US, can you imagine the outrage?

              I think the whole thing was botched. It was a situation that did not need to happen which was caused by demanding those seeking refuge come to a border check point ( which is not the way the law on seeking refuge works, the laws no matter where you cross in the US you must be given a chance to be heard, to file your claim ) and then at that check point not processing the claims. You put these people between another impossible rock and hard place. They will die where they came from, and / or be raped / watch their children be raped and then killed and they can not move forward because we wont process their claims. They can not stay where they are. So out of desperate frustration they acted out. They were never a threat to the border guards, remember the point is to surrender to the patrol so they can be processed. It is not to run into the country hand hide. I have seen news crews filming on the border that have people walk up to them and ask to be taken into custody so they can file their claims. ( I have a lot of free time to watch videos )

              Be well. I see you have another comment I am going to read it and them go to the kitchen and become family cook. Hugs

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              Comment by Scottie — December 4, 2018 @ 10:21

  4. If you or your readers want an interesting read try here:
    https://blog.education.nationalgeographic.org/2018/05/02/five-myths-about-the-migrant-caravan/

    I love this truthful article. Inckluding that this is an annual event. Planned and scheduled. You’d think we’d be better prepared and have processes by now to handle this once a year event quickly and with dignity. We’ve had many years of experience with this event.

    I really love this point.
    Why a border wall would not be effective?
    These immigrants are not trying to “sneak into” the country. “As asylum seekers, these migrants are turning themselves in to authorities at the border and trying to start the formal process of getting protected status.”

    It’s a fantastic, truthful read…

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    Comment by Michelle Styles — December 4, 2018 @ 09:25

    • Thank you Michelle. I will read it later. I have to go start some sauce for lunch. You are a wonderfully caring person. I am surprised that you care so much for others knowing how much devastation your ancestors took at the hands of the immigrant white settlers who came here in the past. I was thinking of it last night , if my people were almost wiped out, our kids taken to what was basically reeducation camps, and all our positions and land stolen from us, I am not sure I wouldn’t be a miserable prick. I would want justice, I may want revenge. Yet I never seem to hear that from the Tribes, the Native People themselves. They must be better people than I am. Be well, I am off to cook. Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — December 4, 2018 @ 10:25

      • Oh I do want justice. But it can never be had. I have made an effort to let the sins of the past remain in the past, That does not excuse the sins against me as a person, my people as a whole in the hear and now and not so distant past. Anything within the life time of the oldest living among the people is recent history. Beyond that non survive to get the deserved justice. 🙂

        That’s the only way I can view things and not be angry all the time. anger is bad for your soul. Worse when it’s all you know. I have seen many of my people angry all the time. It’s ashame they are unable to evolve personally because they live in anger over events that can’t be changed.

        hugs

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        Comment by Michelle Styles — December 4, 2018 @ 10:59


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