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December 19, 2018

Dang right after Ron and I swore off bacon.Talk about bad timing.

Filed under: Atheism, Cartoons, Memes, News, Questions, Reason, Religion — Scottie @ 08:17

Munch the Good News.

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  1. BACON!!!
    That’s my kind of church. Where do I eat…errrr sign?

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    Comment by Michelle Styles — December 19, 2018 @ 08:46

    • Oh I love bacon but it got to where it was not settling well for Ron and I. It was not worth the discomfort a while after eating it. Dang getting old is a pain. ๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‰ Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — December 19, 2018 @ 12:19

  2. Tommy has 10 slices of bacon. Dixie wants 3 pieces of bacon. How much bacon does Tommy have left? 10 pieces of bacon.

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    Comment by jim- — December 19, 2018 @ 10:10

    • None cause he tried bribing me with BACON!!

      Ever notice bacon makes everything better. Even actors, after all Kevin would be nothing if not for bacon!

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      Comment by Michelle Styles — December 19, 2018 @ 10:14

    • James was like that. You could ask him if he wanted breakfast when you were making it. He would say no thanks. Then when the bacon came out of the oven he would tear into it. I learned to just make a extra amount for him. Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — December 19, 2018 @ 12:21

  3. I’ve been worshipping bacon long enough to be Archbishop of the Church of Bacon and IK can always prove bacon is real.
    Hugs

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    Comment by davidprosser — December 19, 2018 @ 10:39

  4. Mmmm, bacon.

    I have to wonder how many religiots got their underpants all in a twist over that billboard? “Cover the childrens eyes dear!” “Don’t read it out loud Billy!” “I am going to march right up to the owner of that billboard and tell them they are going straight to hell!”

    If only we could be the fly on the wall lol ๐Ÿ™‚

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    Comment by shelldigger — December 19, 2018 @ 11:03

    • The more you know.
      Christians got hell all wrong!
      https://aghostdancer.wordpress.com/2015/06/09/hell/

      Hell is misinterpeted in EVERY bible. If they truely claim it;’s based on hebrew then they should fix thier bible.

      hahahaha Yeah I studied the major faiths of the world in college. Why? because it was easy credits…lol

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      Comment by Michelle Styles — December 19, 2018 @ 11:14

      • You make a great resource Michelle. Thanks. Hugs

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        Comment by Scottie — December 19, 2018 @ 12:24

    • Great point. I often forget how easy they get offended. I remember when a group but up a billboard saying to sleep late on Sunday and miss church. There almost riots about it. Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — December 19, 2018 @ 12:23

  5. Actually, Scottie – excellent timing!

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    Comment by Arkenaten — December 19, 2018 @ 11:16

    • Scottie is going to BACON hell!!!! He will be able to always smell fresh cook bacon but never again partake of its beloved goodness!!

      MORE FOR ME!! muwhahahaha

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      Comment by Michelle Styles — December 19, 2018 @ 11:25

      • You enjoy eating bits of animal corpses?
        Why not be like the Chinese and eat a dog?

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        Comment by Arkenaten — December 19, 2018 @ 11:36

        • I’ve eaten dog, catapillers, gator, all sorts of critters. I’ll try anything once.

          Never try thousand year egg. Ewwwwww! Once was once to many.

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          Comment by Michelle Styles — December 19, 2018 @ 11:50

          • The problem is eating them more than once.

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            Comment by Arkenaten — December 19, 2018 @ 11:56

            • I’d eat dog again. It was a little stringy but it didn’t taste bad. And I get Mopane worms (catapillers) everytime I’m in south africa..

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              Comment by Michelle Styles — December 19, 2018 @ 13:56

              • I must be honest, I find your attitude somewhat callous.

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                Comment by Arkenaten — December 19, 2018 @ 14:15

                • Why? Things eat us too. Someday I might be shark bait. If so then so be it. The circle of life goes on. As I’ve said I’ll eat anything or try anything once. Sometimes I like it, sometimes I don’t. My people have eaten from the land plant and animal alike for 10 millenia and more. But when I kill an animal for food I don’t waste it. We use the skin for clothes and yes I own hand made clothing from animals I’ve killed. I use and much of the gift of that animal as possible so to not upset the balance in nature.

                  /shrug

                  Some people believe one way and others another. It doesn’t make one more righteous nor more calus. I won’t preach to you how you should eat or believe but I also don’t let others preach to me. I can’t be bullied like that but the heavens know many have tried.

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                  Comment by Michelle Styles — December 19, 2018 @ 14:23

                  • You are an evolving creature and do not survive solely on instinct.
                    There is no need for you to eat other animals.
                    This is simply a fact.

                    ”Your People” also used to live in Tee
                    pees, make fire by rubbing two sticks together and hunt bison with bows and arrows.
                    And the bison were taken to the brink of extinction as a direct result of European Settlers and the Railways.

                    I also doubt that ”back in the day” there were many Native Americans who were surfers.

                    Things change.

                    Many animals have gone extinct because of humans – where’s the balance in that?
                    Many more animals will go extinct because of humans. Balance screwed.

                    I am not bullying you.
                    You chose to respond about bacon in a manner that was unfunny and callous.
                    I will, for now, give you the benefit of the doubt that perhaps you do not know much about intensive pig farming?

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                    Comment by Arkenaten — December 19, 2018 @ 14:36

                    • The extinction of Bison is whitemans doing. There were millions before he arrived.

                      I can still make fire with sticks, build shelter, all things taught to me to preserve our way of life. Next?

                      As for pig farming. Be selective where you get your foods to insure no pesticieds used on the veggies, no inhumaine conditions for the animals.

                      It is about perspective. You feel it is cruel to eat an animal. (Christians feel it is wrong to not believe in thier god.) Both person feelings and views. Neither is right for all and like Christianity, what is good for them isn’t always good for you.

                      As for surfing. The native Hawiaains did it for many years. My people were not coastal but my love of the ocean I would have found a way.

                      When npot traveling or eating in a restaraunt then I eat what I kill/catch. Yes we hunt and fish in Hawaii.

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                      Comment by Michelle Styles — December 19, 2018 @ 14:44

                    • I wrote>/em> the near extinction of Bison was due to Europeans.

                      Being able to maintain certain cultural traits does not mean you do not evolve.
                      that>/em> is the point you are avoiding, Michelle.

                      There is no such thing as ”humane animal farming”. The animals are engineered, bred and slaughtered in their billions for the sole purpose of satisfying the taste buds of humans. They have no ”say” in the matter.

                      Perspective in this regard is almost entirely about cultural and social conditioning, and none of what we do to these animals is good for them.

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                      Comment by Arkenaten — December 19, 2018 @ 14:51

                    • As I’ve said repeatedly I don’t buy foods I can hunt. I hunt and fish. We eat what we catch and kill. I don’t like buying meats. /shrug

                      Evolve? Yes we can evolve. But to define evolving in such a narrow scope as to say you are unevolved if you eat meat. /smh
                      That is what I meant by bullying. Calling names and trying to humiliate/degrade or make another less than yourself. You learned well from Christians..

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                      Comment by Michelle Styles — December 19, 2018 @ 14:55

                    • You seem to be confusing the issue, regarding eating animals.
                      In what way does hunting them when there are other food alternatives justify killing them?
                      No, I am not saying you are un-evolved.
                      I AM saying that cultural and social conditioning reinforce certain habits. And these can be changed.

                      I did not ”call you names”
                      You were making a joke about bacon and eating pigs.
                      I didn’t think it was funny.
                      That isn’t bullying.

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                      Comment by Arkenaten — December 19, 2018 @ 15:05

                    • So your culture says don’t eat meat. Mine doesn’t
                      I don’t subscribe to the religious BS that Christians or Muslims or anyone else is right either.
                      I don’t subscribe to “You can’t be moral without god” any more any I do “eating animals is somehow unevolved or that to evolve you ahve to discontinue eating meat”. Both are flawed personal assumptions to believe that only one way is the right way for everyone.

                      I’m happy for you that your lifestyle agrees with you. I won’t change mine because mine agrees with me. Thanks for playing I have sleep to get.

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                      Comment by Michelle Styles — December 19, 2018 @ 15:09

                    • No, my culture most definitely does eat meat.
                      And the other three members of my immediate family eat meat.
                      I don’t.
                      I changed.
                      Because I believe animals don’t deserve to be slaughtered just to satisfy my taste buds.
                      For no other reason than that. Period.
                      Personal health considerations and ”saving the planet” were secondary.

                      And your ever more (unnecessary) petulant replies speaks volumes, Michelle.

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                      Comment by Arkenaten — December 19, 2018 @ 15:14

                    • You’re the one who keeps saying we evolve in refference to not eating meat. I’m don’t with more names and inuendoes about me cya…

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                      Comment by Michelle Styles — December 19, 2018 @ 15:16

                    • We DO evolve in a great many ways. We are an evolving species.
                      If you can offer a single ethical justification for eating other animals when there are so many alternatives readily available then I’ll listen.
                      Go for it!

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                      Comment by Arkenaten — December 19, 2018 @ 15:19

                    • There you go ethical moral argument. Christians try that all the time.as I said I’m happy you found something that works for you. That agrees with you and your sensibilities. I don’t give a rat’s ass what you think of my personal ethics mine personal morals and my personal feelings of how I live my life. I’ve already tried to express this to you a couple of times you don’t seem to listen. Just let me say it another way it seems that I can be happy for you but you can’t just be happy for me and let me live my life. See this is what Christians do they want you to live the way they live then they say will give me one more last argument when ethical argument at blah blah blah I don’t give a shit about arguing with them about their morals with their ethics just I don’t give a shit about arguing with you about yours. I’m glad yours work for you yours don’t work for me. Be happy with it I don’t care but I’m done. I’ve tried to tell you this couple of times very nicely now it’s time for not so nice. so I’m happy for you all well and good about your life live your life your way. I’m going to look my my way if you don’t like it fuck you. is that simple enough for you I don’t give a rat’s ass about your morals being imposed upon me about your ethics being imposed upon me. Go take that to some Christian chat room bye-bye.

                      so you’re putting me in a place where I don’t have many choices either block you so you can fuck off or you can just be happy for me and you can go your way and I’ll go my way with our own ethical feelings and beliefs intact for ourselves. And I don’t like blocking people I’ve blocked exactly one. but I’m done with our conversation talk all you want I’m done. What I have worked for me be happy don’t be happy I don’t care.

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                      Comment by Michelle Styles — December 19, 2018 @ 15:24

                    • You think it is okay making fun of eating animals. I thought it callous (cruel) and called you out on it.
                      Since then you have had one tantrum after another.
                      ”rat’s ass,” ”fuck you” ”… you can fuck off.”
                      Nice!
                      Really mature.
                      Is that supposed to hurt my feelings?

                      Block me?
                      We are not on your blog!

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                      Comment by Arkenaten — December 19, 2018 @ 15:49

                    • Oh, and I thought you had to get some sleep?

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                      Comment by Arkenaten — December 19, 2018 @ 15:50

                    • Got some thanks. After 38 hiours without it and 2 hard days back to back. I get cranky.

                      My point remains. Not everyone shares your morals, your ethics or your standards. I am happy vegiarianism works for you. It doesn’t for me and I don’t lose a minutes sleep worrying about it. That’s not cruel it just is what it is. Appologies for losing my temper.

                      Christians pull this crap all the time though. Let me just brow beat you,m call you immoral or unethical or whatever. I didn’t expect it from you. /shrug

                      Humor is not for everyone. If a single joke could make 100% of the people laugh you’d make a killing. But humor is subjective. So you didn’t like my joke. You have a right to not like it. Now we can move on..

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                      Comment by Michelle Styles — December 20, 2018 @ 06:57

                    • Apology accepted.

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                      Comment by Arkenaten — December 20, 2018 @ 07:06

                    • Thanks. We;ve interacted a bunch. I don’t normally lose my temper like that. Generally I find our discourse enjoyable. Yesterday nothing was enjoyable. I Guess no sleep and two days of pushing my body hard makes for a grumpy me. ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

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                      Comment by Michelle Styles — December 20, 2018 @ 07:14

                    • No sweat.

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                      Comment by Arkenaten — December 20, 2018 @ 07:17

                  • Michelle you said something I would like to expand on. You said you use as much of the animal that gave its life as possible so as to not upset the balance of nature. I can agree with that. Growing up on farms we eventually ate almost all of the animals we raised. But we treated them with respect and raised them in as kind a manner as possible. However the small family farms I grew up with are almost long gone and now they are replaced with factory farms. They do not treat the animals well. Some of the practices I have read or watched sicken me , they are needlessly cruel and terribly harmful to the animals. Part of why Ron and I are trying to take meat out of our diets is we don’t want to support these horrible factory farms animal abuses.
                    I am not trying to change your mind nor play on your emotions. I am only trying to explain the journey Ron and I are on right now in our lives. Best wishes. Hugs

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                    Comment by Scottie — December 19, 2018 @ 14:44

                    • I hunt and fish. This is how we get a vast amount of the meat we eat. My father has sent freeze dried jerky and other meats from time to time for thinks like deer, carabu and moose we can’t hunt here. As for pig I hunt wild pig here. Being native american I am allowed in places white men are not. Sarah likes her turkey so she buys that in a store. If I didn’t kill it or know who killed it I don’t like eating it for the same inhumaine reasons.

                      I eat plenty of veggies. And every meal is veggie heavy.

                      I wish I could have chickens like back home cause I miss fresh eggs. We have to buy those in stores. ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

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                      Comment by Michelle Styles — December 19, 2018 @ 14:50

                    • You are fortunate. Ron and i grew up in the New England country side. But we moved a long time ago to cities. We really loved West Palm Beach. We suffered a shock coming to North Fort Myers as it is to us so country with limited diversity in stores and events. We smile when people tell us how busy the town is and how much it has grown. It has gotten too big they say, too many people, not enough space. We would have been more comfortable farther south were it is more urban. But we moved here to take care a a couple people who need help in their end years, and we sort of got stuck here. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — December 19, 2018 @ 15:08

              • Yuck ๐Ÿ˜–๐Ÿ˜จ๐Ÿคข๐Ÿคฎ . Sorry I am both to soft hearted to eat dogs, and I sure the heck am not eating worms. I am not that desperate yet. Here is an idea, feed the worms to the chickens and after the hens lay eggs eat the eggs. That works for me. Hugs

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                Comment by Scottie — December 19, 2018 @ 14:25

              • Have you tried human? apparently desperation has driven the starving to eat their own kind . I’m sure there was a time when cannibalism was an accepted part of human behaviour . The tribe that conquered ate the defeated . Veganism is on the increase for moral reasons but of course we no longer eat to live instead we live to eat.

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                Comment by kersten — December 21, 2018 @ 04:59

                • Morals are not universal else Christians would have won thier argument which is the same you’re presenting long ago.

                  I’m glad you have morals that work for you. It doesn’t apply nor work for me. We eat animals because you get needed vitamins and minerals from the meat. You can take suplliments sure but why?

                  So again like Ark I am happy this works for you. Try not to impose your beliefs and morals on others. Because again morality is not universal.

                  Eat and let eat I like to say..

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                  Comment by Michelle Styles — December 21, 2018 @ 05:47

                  • Michelle morals don’t work for people they are thrust upon them by their consciences and the sensitive are often breaking their own inner codes and feeling guilty. Guilt pays a much bigger part in human activities than many care to admit. Sometimes the pressure of our societies bears on us and changes our moral decisions , a fine example is the abandonment of confined chickens and the movement to free range eggs.
                    I’m sure if we lived in a different culture it would change our moral stance.
                    If you thought I was imposing my morals on you I apologise it was not my intention , but remember WordPress is an exchange of ideas and often we feel moved by the opinions and reasons of others.
                    Incidentally Christians are not all vegans or vegetarians but some are , I believe an examination of western Christians would reveal they live largely along the lines of the rest of the population.

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                    Comment by kersten — December 21, 2018 @ 06:43

                    • What I mean by Christians would have won that is they always say you can’t be a moral person without god. You can’t live a good like and make ethical and good choices without god.

                      Morals are based on personal things. Many have called me immoral or used the argument BUT morals say you shouldn’t. My reply is always the same. I am glad you have morals that work for you so why can’t you be glad I have morals that work for me.

                      As I told Ark I have no guilt eating as I do. None. My moral compass is just fine as it is.

                      So is being a stripper immoral? To you it maybe. To me it’s not. I see no difference in a man using his body as a soldier to get the GI Bill and better his life than for me to have been a stripper to pay for my college.

                      See morals are a personal thing and for your to say people have morals now so we don’t eat meat is the same as saying you eat Meat so you can’t me moral. Wrong. I may not be “moral” by the standard you set for you. But that doesn’t equate to the standard I set for me.

                      Just because society decides that at 60 you should be euthenized(spelling) doesn’t mean it’s fair, right or moral. All it means is this group of people believe it’s fair, right or moral. Remember in the 50s if you had a mental disease you were lobotomized and that was considered by a majority to be moral and right. So even those the many believe it tight doesn’t make it so.

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                      Comment by Michelle Styles — December 21, 2018 @ 07:00

                    • You are quite right morals are subjective and many religious people believe they are objective. Some feel their own moral correctness so strongly they try to convince others , by me that is fine that’s what discussion is all about , but it is overstepping to say someone with different morals is immoral because morals are subjective. I cannot say to a member of ISIS that beheading un unbeliever is immoral because it is his moral standpoint . Society defines its own acceptable moral behaviour , for example walking naked in a shopping area , killing someone because of their beliefs etc. If we chose to live in any particular society we are bound within its moral compass, so some morals are not personal society enforces them.
                      I have never liked the idea that we set a standard because I believe some things are beyond our control . What I mean is we did not ask to be born with morals it’s part of human nature and changes as each person develops and lives their life.

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                      Comment by kersten — December 21, 2018 @ 08:26

          • You are far braver than I. I have to turn off shows that have people eating bugs and other things. I do not even like to see bugs, I sure don’t want to eat them. Hugs

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            Comment by Scottie — December 19, 2018 @ 12:42

            • Gonna try spider tonight. ๐Ÿ™‚

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              Comment by Michelle Styles — December 19, 2018 @ 14:01

              • Now that is just sick ! There is a series of YouTube videos about these little kids some where in south America who go out in the jungles and tease trangalas out of their burrows and then wrap them up in leaves. Seems the parents cook them and they are a well liked food. Not me, I couldn’t watch the video all the way, I hate spiders. It was bad enough when the things crawl around but when the kids reached for the,…..I was out of there. Hugs

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                Comment by Scottie — December 19, 2018 @ 14:33

        • Here is how trained we are to eat meat. Ron and I were getting ready to go out grocery shopping. So as we were making our list I told Ron I was having trouble thinking of meals to make with out meat. I was stuck trying to think of something. But once were in the grocery store we started to find lots of things such as grilled cheese sandwiches, tons of soup starter kits, stir fry, We were laughing when we went to check out because we had found so many meal ideas with out meat. We are doing it because we don’t think the meat in the stores is good for you. I don’t think it is as safe as it use to be. They have deregulated the industry so much I worry what illness I may get from eating the meat. Also we want to reduce the harm done to the environment by so many food animals that needed to be fed, kept, and their waste taken care of. Plus eating cats or dogs is something I just cannot get my mind around. I couldn’t do it. I do realize each to their own ways, but as long as we can find things to eat that are either low meat or no meat we will keep trying this. I just learned the other day of a Textured Vegetable Protein made out of soy I think. A lot of the recipes we looked up called for this. I can get it from amazon so that is something we want to try. Hugs

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          Comment by Scottie — December 19, 2018 @ 12:37

          • It is all a mind set – social conditioning.

            Similar to cigarettes – what was once acceptable and ”everyone did it” is now considered anti-social.
            One can no longer smoke anywhere in public places.
            Our collective mindset has turned against cigarettes because we know it kills hundreds of thousands of people, and the number of deaths directly attributable to smoking is on the decline.

            When there is enough motivation to stop eating animals ( read ”Money!!”) things will change, and change big time.

            For what it’s worth, one of my nephew’s and two of his mates are opening a Vegan Restaurant in my old home town of Chester in the new year.

            Just ensure you get enough B12 supplement and there’s nothing else to be concerned about.

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            Comment by Arkenaten — December 19, 2018 @ 12:46

            • Best wishes to your nephew and his mates, lots of success with the new business. I think things are changing a lot now. there doesn’t seem to be as many people at the meat counters, and even though we do not have any in our area it seems a lot more stores are carrying the meat substitutes. It just makes sense. The planet can not support all the food animals we would need if we all eat meat twice a day like we did most of my life. Heck most days it was three times a day because breakfast , lunch, and dinner all had their own meats associated with that meal time. Once Ron and I train our selves to where it is a normal thing for us we will be better off for doing it. And we get to help the planet. Hugs

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              Comment by Scottie — December 19, 2018 @ 12:53

              • I found once I had given it up completely , even the thought of eating meat makes me uncomfortable.
                Much like contemplating smoking again.
                It just feels weird.

                And let’s be honest, what was so special about the taste of meat, unless it is sauced, spiced, or salted?
                Chicken has no genuine distinguishable taste.
                But a carrot does!

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                Comment by Arkenaten — December 19, 2018 @ 13:07

                • We like the red sauces I make meatless better than we liked them made with hamburger. So that is a big plus. It is a mind set like you said. Hugs

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                  Comment by Scottie — December 19, 2018 @ 13:10

            • When there is enough motivation to stop eating animals ( read โ€Money!!โ€) things will change, and change big time.

              The motivation you speak of is highly unlikely to go away unless the world experiences some sort of MAJOR catastrophe. And if such an event ever did occur, our diets would be only one of the things that would change.

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              Comment by Nan — December 19, 2018 @ 12:54

              • Why do you see this in such negative terms?
                You are behind the probable eventuality that secularism coupled with education (internet) is already being seen as the death knell for Religion, so why not other things – such as eating meat?
                Words and phrases such as ”Never, Highly unlikely, Not in my lifetime, Over my dead body” when applied to almost everything humans have been party to/involved in have almost invariably turned out to be wrong, usually to a greater degree.

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                Comment by Arkenaten — December 19, 2018 @ 13:03

                • I don’t consider it negative. I consider it realistic. Sure, I can dream as much and as deeply as anyone else, but I’ve lived enough years to recognize that change takes time … and some things never do. And when it comes to “Money” — it still rules humanity’s roost.

                  Certainly I try to be optimistic. (IMO, it’s health-damaging to be otherwise.) But I feel that people will change as they feel the personal need to do so … no matter how much “evidence” is put before them. Sure, I point out the negative aspects of religion on my blog … and support others who do the same … but when push comes to shove, it still boils down how deeply a person wants to alter their lifestyle.

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                  Comment by Nan — December 19, 2018 @ 13:20

                  • Like it realistic that gas guzzlers will be here to stay?
                    Personal is part of it but not all of it. Many things are simply cultural.

                    If Mum and Dad are vegetarian chances are the kids will be as well.

                    There are millions in Asia that are strictly vegetarian.

                    That there are now vegan restaurants popping up all over the show, and vegan produce in the shops. This is indication that there is a cultural mind shift already.
                    And once Big Business gets behind something things move a lot faster.

                    You live with an ardent meat eater who would ”Never!!” give up meat. Just the same as my crew.

                    But I did … so 25% is a start.

                    Scottie and Ron are now making an effort.

                    My sister’s kids are all vegan and her partner gave up everything but fish, and he was like you hubby.

                    If a beef or dairy farmer was shown how he could make far more money with crops than with livestock with less effort what do you think he would do?

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                    Comment by Arkenaten — December 19, 2018 @ 13:48

                    • Have to ask, Ark. Michelle said (jokingly, I presume) that she was having “spider” tonight. Would you eat a spider? Especially since you had one that you (hopefully) “saved” to live another day or two. Or are they considered “meat”?

                      The semantics would just be overwhelming to split our household. However, I will say this: we often have veggies and rice and other type meatless dishes. But the steaks and ham and bacon and fish and hamburgers aren’t going to go away — guilt trips notwithstanding.

                      As for your last question … of course! As we have agreed, money is the bottom line. But who’s going to be the one(s) to convince the farmer?

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                      Comment by Nan — December 19, 2018 @ 14:10

                    • Not joking. I am in the orient now and I always try the things the locals eat. As I said I’ll try anything once. I’ve eaten any manner of things including fruits and veggies many haven’t even heard of.from Jicama to Jackfruit, from Durian to chayote, from Rambutan to kumquat. I’ve also eaten insects, and all maner of fish and animals.

                      So no spider was not a joke. ๐Ÿ™‚

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                      Comment by Michelle Styles — December 19, 2018 @ 14:18

                    • You would have made an ideal contestant in the original episodes of Survival! ๐Ÿ˜€

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                      Comment by Nan — December 19, 2018 @ 14:26

                    • Except I actually know how to survive. I hunt, fish and grow food and know how to tell what is poisonous vs what is not. So they’d never pick me. I know how to find water and build a fire without matches and make shelter, rope and tools of stone if need be. ๐Ÿ™‚

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                      Comment by Michelle Styles — December 19, 2018 @ 14:30

                    • Have to ask, Ark. Michelle said (jokingly, I presume) that she was having โ€œspiderโ€ tonight. Would you eat a spider? Especially since you had one that you (hopefully) โ€œsavedโ€ to live another day or two. Or are they considered โ€œmeatโ€?

                      No, I would not eat a spider.
                      Yes, I did save her, and she went her own way.
                      Personally I would consider a spider ”meat” as it is a living creature.

                      A study like this shows the negative impact of animal farming,
                      As for convincing the farmers …
                      Well, with figures such as these perhaps governments will soon have to convince them …
                      But he said at least $500bn ( 500 billion Dollars ) is spent every year on agricultural subsidies, and probably much more: โ€œThere is a lot of money there to do something really good with.โ€
                      https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/may/31/avoiding-meat-and-dairy-is-single-biggest-way-to-reduce-your-impact-on-earth

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                      Comment by Arkenaten — December 19, 2018 @ 14:26

                    • From the article: My personal opinion is we should interpret these results not as the need to become vegan overnight, but rather to moderate our [meat] consumption.โ€ This makes sense … and might get the ball rolling.

                      Final comment — I do appreciate your stand on this matter. I doubt any major changes will come to pass in my lifetime … but hey! Like religion, I guess we just have to keep pounding away.

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                      Comment by Nan — December 19, 2018 @ 15:00

                    • Exactly! And you see how almost immediately there is a paradigm shift.
                      Before it was somewhat like .. Not a chance in Hades!! (not with you but in attitudes in general)
                      And now … well perhaps, maybe let’s see what happens, okay I could give that a go.

                      It is all about awareness, that’s all.

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                      Comment by Arkenaten — December 19, 2018 @ 15:09

          • Eggplant parm!!!

            yummy… Grill a slice like you would chicken then cover in rich lumpy tomato sauce!
            I use crushed and diced tomatoes, green peppers, onion (green and white), brocolli, and spinich for my sauce.
            Cover that in parm cheese and a side of pasta …. droool

            GREAT! Now I’m hungry..

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            Comment by Michelle Styles — December 19, 2018 @ 14:00

            • Now that sounds good. I much more like this than the other food comment. Hugs

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              Comment by Scottie — December 19, 2018 @ 14:28

            • Shoot just showed the recipe to Ron and he said he can not stand egg plant. SO that one is out. I tell you it is hard when you don’t live near a store like whole foods or something. Hugs

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              Comment by Scottie — December 19, 2018 @ 14:30

              • I’ll get you the recipe for garlic parm veggies we have. you can use anything for veggies (I like eggplant but sometimes just roasted veggies is awesome. Brocilli, colliflower, carrots and some onion(I like red but white or yellow will do), Some olivve oil in th pan, couple cloves of garlic crushed, cup of parm cheese grated, some salt and pepper and dried itallian herbs)

                Can eat it just like that or add tomato sauce. ๐Ÿ™‚ Sometimes I just chop a few tomatoes and add them last minute just before taking the veggie mix out of the pan.

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                Comment by Michelle Styles — December 19, 2018 @ 14:35

      • ๐Ÿ˜ข๐Ÿค”๐Ÿ˜œ๐Ÿ˜’๐Ÿ˜‰๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘ Hugs

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        Comment by Scottie — December 19, 2018 @ 12:26

  6. I read once that every piece of bacon we eat takes a minute off our life expectancy. That said, all I could think about driving home from work last night was eating a hot dog for supper. Not just any hot dog – I wrapped cheese smokies in bacon and fried them till crisp.Oh man, so good and so wrong! ๐Ÿ™‚

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    Comment by Notes To Ponder — December 20, 2018 @ 03:55

    • I read once that every piece of bacon we eat takes a minute off our life expectancy

      It takes a lot more from a pig’s life expectancy, of this I guarantee.

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      Comment by Arkenaten — December 20, 2018 @ 04:47

    • The tummy wants what the tummy wants. Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — December 20, 2018 @ 05:31


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