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January 3, 2019

Christian Homeschooling. Maybe the most important thing I can post all week.

Filed under: Atheism, Children, Criminal, Education, Family, News, Political, Questions, Religion — Scottie @ 18:32

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  1. There’s one of those picture-with-words “meme” things going around that says something like “Give your kids Christian homeschooling if you insist, but my kids probably won’t hire your kids.”

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    Comment by Infidel753 — January 3, 2019 @ 22:16

    • Yes I have seen it, and it is basically true. I have posted twice on the Hasidic Jews in New York City who go to church run schools where they learn almost no english no math and all the Jewish scriptures. They are taught to have as many children as possible. They can not get jobs as anything but the most basic entry level love income as they have no education, they can not even be cashiers. They are taught before leaving school on how to apply for and to make a budget depending on government assistance. The really kick in the nuts is politically their leaders have so much pull they get state funding for their schools with no oversight. Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — January 4, 2019 @ 06:54

      • And why is that the case? Obamas second präsidential term ended just 2 years ago?
        Don’t Democrats know, how important an Education system for all kids is, based on Science.??? And not on religion???

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        Comment by miles — January 4, 2019 @ 16:52

        • The reason they get away with it is because this is on the state level Miles. It is not federal. It is the state of New York. The state legislature has a problem in that the Jewish representatives in that state are needed when passing a some budgets. So they make sure their schools get money and freedom to act as they do. It is sad and wrong, but it is how this is happening. Hugs

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          Comment by Scottie — January 4, 2019 @ 17:52

          • This is not what I meant: Obama and the democrats didn’t demand that – besides religion – maths and physic as well as history and geology had to be on the timetable.had to be on the timetable. Obama had once the majority of congress and senat!! ands that would have been true for all democrats government from Kennedy on. this is just sooo irressponsible.

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            Comment by miles — January 5, 2019 @ 09:02

            • In the United States there is a very strong tradition of local control over education, not centralized national control. It’s very different from how education is run in other advanced countries. Any challenge to this tradition by the central government is considered radical and an attack on local autonomy. It explains why the US has some of the best schools in the world and also some of the worst, depending on the region. It also means that the most backward groups and regions tend to remain backward, generation after generation.

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              Comment by Infidel753 — January 5, 2019 @ 09:49

              • I dont quite believe your sentence: “It explains why the US has some of the best schools in the world and also some of the worst,” In my opinion it is the sheer number of students all you immigrants produce. So it is rather the biggest variety of the US-gen-pool that still makes the difference. But I dont want to make a big discussion out of it. 🙂
                And dear Infidel.: Good politicians have to take in accout more than one generation. I, for that, would rather take into my thinking more than my Nazi ancestors. 😉 But see, I just can’t.

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                Comment by miles — January 5, 2019 @ 10:32

                • Miles — Ich bin mir nicht sicher, daß ich die Bedeutung Ihrer Bemerkung “the biggest variety of the US-gen-pool that still makes the difference” richtig verstehe. Wollen Sie damit sagen, daß die Einwanderer wegen genetischer (rassischer) Unterlegenheit, zur Bildungserfolg unfähig sind? So klingt es, was Sie geschrieben haben. Auch wenn es so wäre, würde dies nichts über die Qualität der Schulen selbst sagen. Sogar gute Schulen könnten aus schlechten Studenten kaum gut gebildete Bürger machen.

                  Tatsächlich findet sich oft die schlimmste Bildungsqualität in Gebieten wie Appalachia, worin Einwanderer kaum existieren und die Bevölkerung überwiegend Europäischer Herkunft ist.

                  Es wäre jedenfalls gut, ein bißchen vorsichtig zu sein, als man zum Thema Einwanderer und Genetik schreibt, besonders auf einer Fremdsprache. Man würde nicht einen falschen Eindruck erwecken wollen.

                  In any case, even if quality of students plays a role, there are still huge differences in the quality of the schools themselves, because standards are set locally. And even when the central government does impose standards, it is easy for local school systems to ignore them — and even easier for home-schoolers to ignore them, because there is almost no real regulatory oversight of home-schooling. The system here does not work the same way as in Europe.

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                  Comment by Infidel753 — January 5, 2019 @ 11:46

                  • No, dear Infidel, that was quite misunderstood.
                    When I wrote:
                    ““the biggest variety of the US-gen-pool that still makes the difference” That the outcome on very high standard Scientists is still sooo big.
                    I wanted to critizise your School-system, which I know is not the best, and it is just ““the biggest variety of the US-gen-pool that still makes the difference” Where I spoke about that genpool in a very positive manner.
                    And with all you immigrants I just talked about the time since 1492.
                    Sorry, sorry if I coudn’t make myself clear enough.
                    Once more: I didnt want to critisize you people; I only wanted to critisize your school-system.
                    And thank you for asking me.

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                    Comment by miles — January 5, 2019 @ 15:31

                    • Ah, I understand. Thanks for the clarification. It’s true that we get a lot of our smartest people, especially scientists, from immigration. That’s part of the concern that Trump is making the US so hostile to immigrants that fewer will want to come here. Some other places like Canada and Europe still welcome people with high scientific skills. Even some of our own scientists are going to other countries because the Republicans are so anti-science.

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                      Comment by Infidel753 — January 5, 2019 @ 18:17

                    • Have you seen this? https://www.masslive.com/boston/2019/01/harvard-graduate-jin-park-the-first-dreamer-to-win-rhodes-scholarship-fears-he-cannot-return-to-us.html

                      It’s a damn shame! And all because of the idiot’s fetish with a border wall.

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                      Comment by Nan — January 5, 2019 @ 18:39

                    • Thank you Nan. What a farce and shame. When you think that after world war 2 the US took in Nazi scientist because they had knowledge and education we could use, yet now we are keeping out highly intelligent educated young people based on where they were born and how they came to our country. It sickens me. I hope the democratic house will put in a bill to grant this young man the rights he needs to get his education and come back to the US, his home. It is in the benefit of us all. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — January 5, 2019 @ 19:29

                    • Nan — I did hear of that case. Good example. If he ends up staying in the UK because he can’t come back, it will be the UK’s loss and our gain.

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                      Comment by Infidel753 — January 5, 2019 @ 18:51

                    • Agreed. Such a crying shame. We have people celebrating imbeciles and idiots, yet real benefits to society like this young person are threatened with explosion and not being allowed back in. It is shooting ourselves in the foot. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — January 5, 2019 @ 19:32

                    • @Miles, you are a grand person. I am so happy we found each other online so many years ago. I have learned a lot from you. Best wishes and many hugs.

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                      Comment by Scottie — January 5, 2019 @ 18:59

              • Thank you Infidel. I appreciate your stepping in, my computer time is limited this morning until I get home this afternoon. Hugs

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                Comment by Scottie — January 5, 2019 @ 10:58

            • I think Infidel answered this better than I. I am not got much time at my computer until this afternoon so I will let him respond OK. Hugs

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              Comment by Scottie — January 5, 2019 @ 10:58

              • I know you will read my answer to Infidel, so I hope you will know, how my comment was meant.

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                Comment by miles — January 5, 2019 @ 15:33

        • As infidel pointed out the US education system is locally controlled. Think of each school district as having a lot of local autonomy. There are 100,000s of individual schools, with 1000+ local town/county districts I believe, and each state can set their own standards and the federal government.

          So a state can set the educational standards such as what tests a student must take, standards, and curriculum, and agree to federal government educational initiatives in order to get federal money. However, then each individual district can decide to add their own local initiatives and educational standards or curriculum to compliment or supplement the state and possibly federal standards, while at the school level individual principals can also make some decisions that can tweak what is actually taught from district to district, school to school.

          So for example, a state might require all districts to teach evolution, but a local school district can decide to also include creationism as part of their curriculum (as long as they’re meeting the state standards of teaching evolution)

          It gets even more complicated. The Orthodox Yeshiva schools that Scottie is talking about are private schools I believe. Private schools have different regulations I believe depending on the state.

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          Comment by consoledreader — January 5, 2019 @ 11:49

          • Thank you Consoledreader. Yes the schools I was talking about are private church schools. Hugs

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            Comment by Scottie — January 5, 2019 @ 18:39

  2. I have fundy neighbors that homeschool and their 8 year old can’t read a word. Their entire library is church videos and bible stories. Shameful!

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    Comment by jim- — January 3, 2019 @ 22:31

    • Oh my Jim, thanks for sharing. I think that should be child abuse. Neglect? I feel so sorry for those kids. What do you as a parent think of the situation? Jim I have mentioned , don’t know if you were aware, my adoptive parents were not educated. Neither graduated from school, leaving before 8th grade. My adoptive father for many years forbid me to have books including school books in the house. He couldn’t read ( he could do basic figuring and was great at trades, was a master carpenter, was a millwright, welder, mechanic, tanker / dump truck driver… but he always was bitter that others seemed to do better without his skills. They had educations. )
      So I never really got an education. Most of what I know I taught myself or got others to teach me. I can tell you how hard it is to rise in a career without an education. I spent a lifetime thirsting for information, loving scientific discoveries even though I do not understand them. Learning history to know why things happened and what effect events had fascinates me. I just fear for these kids. A lifetime of struggle is ahead of them due to their parents unyielding religious beliefs. How can a parent do this to their child? Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — January 4, 2019 @ 07:07

      • Religions often give a false sense of security—the lord will provide, ya know? If you have the gospel you pretty much know all there is worth knowing. How many of these doomsdayers are dead and gone? A life unloved due to fear.

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        Comment by jim- — January 4, 2019 @ 10:22

        • Yes, what a waste. To give up on this life to try to win an unproven possibility? I think life is a journey. I have had a grand journey so far. I have been to the mountains and also deep in the valleys on this journey, but it has never been boring. It sure beats the alternative. Hugs

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          Comment by Scottie — January 4, 2019 @ 12:49

      • This is the first time you tell us that you dont have any education. So, would you mind telling us how you managed to get your education up to a complete male nurse in an big hospital?

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        Comment by miles — January 4, 2019 @ 17:02

        • Hello Miles. I have mentioned it before and also more in depth on other blogs in conversations with friends. I was not a nurse Miles, sorry. I was a Certified Nurses Assistant Advanced. I took a intensive course where they taught us basic procedures for taking care of PTs, how to make beds with a PT in them, how to feed people, how to put in and take out catheters, mostly basic PT care stuff. When I went to the hospital I got the advance part in learning how to put in and take out catheters, how to handle surgery PT while helping ICU nurses take care of PTs. I was taught how to create and keep the medical record books, and to keep the administration stuff on the units PTs. I also as part of the advanced created the PT chart for the nurses and I would take the hand written orders of the doctors and put them into the computers for medications and for testing / procedures. All of this and more only required certificate of training and regular refresher courses because I worked under the hospital and the nurses licences. That is why nurses get paid a heck of a lot more than I did because I did not have a licence and they did. Does this help to explain my position? Hugs

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          Comment by Scottie — January 4, 2019 @ 18:05

          • but does it hurt you to tell us how you learned to read and write and calculate. you must at least be a good reader and writer? – to know soo much.

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            Comment by miles — January 5, 2019 @ 09:08

            • Thank you MIles. I was a veracious reader as a kid and young adult. But remember I couldn’t read at home, I had to do all my reading away from home, I had to sneak books, hide them and then go out in the fields and woods to read. I do not have a math foundation which is why I never got my electrical degree nor could I go on to nursing like I wanted because I never learned to do math. I can do basic addition and subtraction, but that is about all. I have no understanding of fractions and my attempts to teach myself them has failed. My lack of education has kept me from going into job fields I enjoy and like and has cost me promotion in the jobs I have had. I was an excellent computer repair person, I was awarded many times for my abilities in the Army, highest in my class, yet I couldn’t get hired because I was competing with people doing that work with college and advanced degrees.

              Does it hurt to tell people. Yes Miles it does. When you tell people you do not have an education, they do not ask why. They assume your dumb, mentally challenged, stupid. I am not stupid, I am not dumb, I try to learn. An idiot is someone who doesn’t care to learn. You were a teacher my friend, you know how important an education is. Be well. Hugs

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              Comment by Scottie — January 5, 2019 @ 10:57

              • @Scottie

                I know it was probably tough not getting jobs because of a lack of formal degree or a sufficient mathematics education, but you do pretty well for yourself in your posts and it’s also important to remember that there are people who love and care about you whether you have the education you want or not. You still do your best to help others and care for others and that it was is truly important.

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                Comment by consoledreader — January 5, 2019 @ 13:16

                • Thank you. I really do appreciate what you are saying. Still I would do my best to make sure every child has a chance for a good quality education. It does make a difference in a person’s life. I am not bitter, and I understand I am only one person who grew up in a different time. I was an abused child and my experience is not normal of all children. But just as my uneducated adoptive parents had harmful ideas and abused me, I think some religious groups have harmful abusive ideas and hurt their children as my adoptive parents hurt me. Hugs

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                  Comment by Scottie — January 5, 2019 @ 18:49

              • Hi dear Scottie;
                Your being so open to Jim triggered me to ask you that question.
                Never, in earnest : Never had I thought of that.
                You must have been a really avid reader and WRITER Scottie, you did a tremendous learning job with yourself, and you can be very, very proud of what you have reached. .. and to tell you honestly: I am very proud to have such a friend. I rarely can comprehend what you have done with/for yourself.
                But, my friend, you see how many disadventages it still has for you, having still handicaps in calculating. You befriended me with some gay man in 2007, and I taught him how to use and fly the MS-Flightsimulator. If you had dared telling me in that time, maybe …..
                Scottie, I really feel so proud of you, for the reason, that you never gave up on yourself.

                Big Hugs.
                miles

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                Comment by miles — January 5, 2019 @ 16:01

                • Thank you Miles. That means a lot coming from you. You have faced things in your life I have not and cannot imagine. I am amazed you did not get bitter and hate people. Instead you turned your life to helping others. You became a teacher, a very noble profession. I admire you for that.

                  I am also very glad we met. I have learned a lot from you, and you have influenced my thoughts on a lot of subjects. I still wonder about Amar. The writings from that blog were so needed by so very many young people. I hope he is still OK. But I guess I will never know. Be well my friend, we will talk again soon. Hugs

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                  Comment by Scottie — January 5, 2019 @ 19:11

                  • Just a very short Note on Amar: He died on leukemia with just seventeen. Either his whole life was made up – a fake – what I personally don’t think, or he died with seventeen years on that damn leukemia – combined at the end with a pneumonia. He was really a beacon : RIP
                    I remember, that you had a link to that website, maintained by his English followers – until even that finally vanished with him – Amar.

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                    Comment by miles — January 5, 2019 @ 23:03

                    • Yes I agree. I kept the link until even that died. I felt the message of what Amar wrote was so needed by young gay kids I did what i could to keep his message alive. Too many kids die of cancer. If there was a god how could it allow this?

                      As to if the blog was a fake I made myself clear on that several times. I simply do not care if it was a fake. The message was uplifting, needed, and so good for young gay kids the world over. If it was a fake I give credit to the one who wrote it. It was what kids all over the world needed to hear, they were normal, accepted, and there were others just like them. Anyone who wants to fight or destroy that message has a fight with me!

                      I miss the blog and the boy named Amar.

                      Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — January 5, 2019 @ 23:57

                  • Oh, dear friend, I got bitter and full of hate: Against Racists and especially Neo-Nazis. I succeeded in turning that hate mostly into positive energy. what makes me a bit schizo some times, doesn’t it? 🙂

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                    Comment by miles — January 5, 2019 @ 23:17

                    • I am also that way my friend. My abuse , both physical and sexual, in childhood marked me in ways I still do not understand. I can face most things as calmly as can be , but other things make me so angry and I lose my mind. I have to take time away. I to this day have nightmares. I think maybe you do also. Ron understands and if he hears me whimper, cry , or plead in my sleep he wakes me knowing the hell in am experiencing in my dreams. Ron says he has heard me growl and snarl like an angry dog while I sleep but I have no memory of this.

                      I wrote of something that happened about three years ago. Before I got my left hip replacement and was struggling to walk even with a cane. To make the story short, a woman who was being chased by a man tried to hide behind our home. She had a five year old boy with her. We got her to come to out from behind our home to our carport in the light and we gave her a phone to call the police. Both Ron and I were inside the home as he was getting ready for work when we heard the woman scream. The man had found her and was attacking her. Later people told me how much I risked, but at the time I did not care. I threw open the door and went down the steps as fast as I could with my cane. I grabbed the guy, and forced myself between them. He went to punch me and I glared into his face and said ” I will not have this here”! Ron told me later I yelled it in the guys face. I was so angry I did not remember , I only remember I was simply not going to have a woman attacked in my carport. The guy was young, and I was old and had medical problems. I think he may have been able to take me if we had fought. But I was not backing down. He looked at me and started to say it was the woman’s fault what he was doing. I did not back up, I got as close to his face as I could and told him I did not care. He looked at me and then turned and ran off. It happened so fast Ron who happened to see part of it was trying to get to us as fast as possible because he was scared I would be hurt couldn’t get out to the carport fast enough.

                      I decided a long time ago Miles I wanted to be a better person than those that abused me. I decided to be the very best person I could be. I have failed at that some times, and I admit when I am wrong. But I try. I keep trying. Best wishes my friend. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — January 6, 2019 @ 00:22

                    • What Amar had to say, was not only important for young gay kids; it was important for old gay people too,
                      I think every one could learn by following his blog : learn empathy by a BEACON. When I first came to his blog, I had some empathy in me, but didn’t know what that was, and how an important knowledge and experience it would become in my life.

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                      Comment by miles — January 6, 2019 @ 01:16

                    • I was new to blogging and the internet then. It was from Amar’s blog I got my signature sign off of “Hugs”. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — January 6, 2019 @ 09:04

      • I spent a lifetime thirsting for information, loving scientific discoveries even though I do not understand them. Learning history to know why things happened and what effect events had fascinates me.

        And this is another reason that education (whether formal schooling or knowledge acquired in whatever other way) is important. It’s not just a matter of marketable skills. It gives life context, lets us understand why the world is the way it is. It baffles me that some people are content to go through life without that, simply wandering through a fog without any sense of the big picture.

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        Comment by Infidel753 — January 5, 2019 @ 09:59

        • I agree. There is so much out there to know and try to understand. I could live dozens of lifetimes and not have enough time to learn all I want to know. Hugs

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          Comment by Scottie — January 5, 2019 @ 10:36

  3. Hi Scottie;
    I have to tell you, I could not watch the whole thing. There are things that make me mad, things that make me sad, things that make me laugh, those I can watch. This? How are these kids supposed to live? This was absolutely heartbreaking and absolutely abusive and destructive.

    Hugs, my brother;
    randy

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    Comment by randy — January 4, 2019 @ 07:53

    • I understand Randy. Good morning BTW, hope all is well. I tried to get ron to watch it and he stormed off in anger. He is like you. Me I hurt for those kids. You know my story and how I never got the chance to have an education, and I know damn well how hard it will be for these kids. Forget college, for get even most trades. The will have a life of low income jobs where they barely make ends meet and they will get disillusioned and maybe bitter. They are fit only for work in the very religion that has denied them an education for a better life. Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — January 4, 2019 @ 08:45


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