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January 9, 2019

Fatema’s proof of god

Filed under: Ideas, Questions, Reason, Religion — Scottie @ 15:45
It took me forever to figure out how to post this.  The PDF file did not want to go to WordPress.  I was able to get this from the original site.  Hugs
Hello everyone.   I had received from Fatema somethings she claims prove God.  She was very excited for me to read them, and I have, sharing them with Ron.  I am going to answer her but I am waiting for her to tell me is she speaks english.   As some of you may know typing is hard for me with stiff arthritic fingers and I could do a more complete job in video , but if need be I will try to do so in writing.  I hope everyone will engage Fatema in conversation and discussion on her proofs, but I would remind everyone to not do personal attacks.  We attack and debate ideas here, and I prefer that to be how we influence people on my Toy Box.  If you feel you have been personally attacked tell me and I will moderate the situation.  But otherwise I love the debates and discussions and I learn so much from them I hope all will join in.  Thank you everyone.   Hugs
Does God Exist? - Photo of young woman walking in a crowded city street, looking deep in thought.

IS THERE A GOD?

Does God exist? Here are six straightforward reasons to believe that God is really there.

By Marilyn Adamson      PDF    Listen

Just once wouldn’t you love for someone to simply show you the evidence for God’s existence? No arm-twisting. No statements of, “You just have to believe.” Well, here is an attempt to candidly offer some of the reasons which suggest that God exists.

But first consider this. When it comes to the possibility of God’s existence, the Bible says that there are people who have seen sufficient evidence, but they have suppressed the truth about God.1 On the other hand, for those who want to know God if he is there, he says, “You will seek me and find me; when you seek me with all your heart, I will be found by you.”2Before you look at the facts surrounding his existence, ask yourself, If God does exist, would I want to know him? Here then, are some reasons to consider…

1. The complexity of our planet points to a deliberate Designer who not only created our universe, but sustains it today.

Many examples showing God’s design could be given, possibly with no end. But here are a few:

The Earth…its size is perfect. The Earth’s size and corresponding gravity holds a thin layer of mostly nitrogen and oxygen gases, only extending about 50 miles above the Earth’s surface. If Earth were smaller, an atmosphere would be impossible, like the planet Mercury. If Earth were larger, its atmosphere would contain free hydrogen, like Jupiter.3 Earth is the only known planet equipped with an atmosphere of the right mixture of gases to sustain plant, animal and human life.

Evidence for God - Photo showing the earth's perfect distance from the sun and its relative size to the sun.The Earth is located the right distance from the sun. Consider the temperature swings we encounter, roughly -30 degrees to +120 degrees. If the Earth were any further away from the sun, we would all freeze. Any closer and we would burn up. Even a fractional variance in the Earth’s position to the sun would make life on Earth impossible. The Earth remains this perfect distance from the sun while it rotates around the sun at a speed of nearly 67,000 mph. It is also rotating on its axis, allowing the entire surface of the Earth to be properly warmed and cooled every day.

And our moon is the perfect size and distance from the Earth for its gravitational pull. The moon creates important ocean tides and movement so ocean waters do not stagnate, and yet our massive oceans are restrained from spilling over across the continents.4

Water…colorless, odorless and without taste, and yet no living thing can survive without it. Plants, animals and human beings consist mostly of water (about two-thirds of the human body is water). You’ll see why the characteristics of water are uniquely suited to life:

It has wide margin between its boiling point and freezing point. Water allows us to live in an environment of fluctuating temperature changes, while keeping our bodies a steady 98.6 degrees.

Existence of God - Photo from below the water in an ocean or lake, to illustrate that water freezes from the top down, allowing fish to live in the winter. Water is a universal solvent. This property of water means that various chemicals, minerals and nutrients can be carried throughout our bodies and into the smallest blood vessels.5

Water is also chemically neutral. Without affecting the makeup of the substances it carries, water enables food, medicines and minerals to be absorbed and used by the body.

Water has a unique surface tension. Water in plants can therefore flow upward against gravity, bringing life-giving water and nutrients to the top of even the tallest trees.

Water freezes from the top down and floats, so fish can live in the winter.

God's creation - Photo of rain falling on plants, showing the process of evaporation and water distribution on our planet.Ninety-seven percent of the Earth’s water is in the oceans. But on our Earth, there is a system designed which removes salt from the water and then distributes that water throughout the globe. Evaporation takes the ocean waters, leaving the salt, and forms clouds which are easily moved by the wind to disperse water over the land, for vegetation, animals and people. It is a system of purification and supply that sustains life on this planet, a system of recycled and reused water.6

The human brain…simultaneously processes an amazing amount of information. Your brain takes in all the colors and objects you see, the temperature around you, the pressure of your feet against the floor, the sounds around you, the dryness of your mouth, even the texture of your keyboard. Your brain holds and processes all your emotions, thoughts and memories. At the same time your brain keeps track of the ongoing functions of your body like your breathing pattern, eyelid movement, hunger and movement of the muscles in your hands.

Is there a God? - Photo of woman thinking, to illustrate the processing power of the human brain, at a million messages a second.The human brain processes more than a million messages a second.7 Your brain weighs the importance of all this data, filtering out the relatively unimportant. This screening function is what allows you to focus and operate effectively in your world. The brain functions differently than other organs. There is an intelligence to it, the ability to reason, to produce feelings, to dream and plan, to take action, and relate to other people.

The eye…can distinguish among seven million colors. It has automatic focusing and handles an astounding 1.5 million messages — simultaneously.8 Evolution focuses on mutations and changes from and within existing organisms. Yet evolution alone does not fully explain the initial source of the eye or the brain — the start of living organisms from nonliving matter.

2. The universe had a start – what caused it?

Did God start the universe - Photo shows an explosion of light to illustrate the start of the universe referred to as the Big Bang.Scientists are convinced that our universe began with one enormous explosion of energy and light, which we now call the Big Bang. This was the singular start to everything that exists: the beginning of the universe, the start of space, and even the initial start of time itself.

Astrophysicist Robert Jastrow, a self-described agnostic, stated, “The seed of everything that has happened in the Universe was planted in that first instant; every star, every planet and every living creature in the Universe came into being as a result of events that were set in motion in the moment of the cosmic explosion…The Universe flashed into being, and we cannot find out what caused that to happen.”9

Steven Weinberg, a Nobel laureate in Physics, said at the moment of this explosion, “the universe was about a hundred thousands million degrees Centigrade…and the universe was filled with light.”10

The universe has not always existed. It had a start…what caused that? Scientists have no explanation for the sudden explosion of light and matter.

3. The universe operates by uniform laws of nature. Why does it?

Much of life may seem uncertain, but look at what we can count on day after day: gravity remains consistent, a hot cup of coffee left on a counter will get cold, the earth rotates in the same 24 hours, and the speed of light doesn’t change — on earth or in galaxies far from us.

Did God design the laws of the universe - Photo of mathematical equations on a blackboard to illustrate the mathematical consistency of natural laws.How is it that we can identify laws of nature that never change? Why is the universe so orderly, so reliable?

“The greatest scientists have been struck by how strange this is. There is no logical necessity for a universe that obeys rules, let alone one that abides by the rules of mathematics. This astonishment springs from the recognition that the universe doesn’t have to behave this way. It is easy to imagine a universe in which conditions change unpredictably from instant to instant, or even a universe in which things pop in and out of existence.”11

Richard Feynman, a Nobel Prize winner for quantum electrodynamics, said, “Why nature is mathematical is a mystery…The fact that there are rules at all is a kind of miracle.”12

4. The DNA code informs, programs a cell’s behavior.

Proof God is real - Photo shows a wall of computer binary code of zeros and ones to illustrate that DNA is like a computer program.All instruction, all teaching, all training comes with intent. Someone who writes an instruction manual does so with purpose. Did you know that in every cell of our bodies there exists a very detailed instruction code, much like a miniature computer program? As you may know, a computer program is made up of ones and zeros, like this: 110010101011000. The way they are arranged tell the computer program what to do. The DNA code in each of our cells is very similar. It’s made up of four chemicals that scientists abbreviate as A, T, G, and C. These are arranged in the human cell like this: CGTGTGACTCGCTCCTGAT and so on. There are three billion of these letters in every human cell!!

Well, just like you can program your phone to beep for specific reasons, DNA instructs the cell. DNA is a three-billion-lettered program telling the cell to act in a certain way. It is a full instruction manual.13

Proof God exists - Photo of closeup DNA letters of CGTA with a magnifying loop, to illustrate the ordered 3 billion chemicals of DNA within each human cell.Why is this so amazing? One has to ask….how did this information program wind up in each human cell? These are not just chemicals. These are chemicals that instruct, that code in a very detailed way exactly how the person’s body should develop.

Natural, biological causes are completely lacking as an explanation when programmed information is involved. You cannot find instruction, precise information like this, without someone intentionally constructing it.

5. We know God exists because he pursues us. He is constantly initiating and seeking for us to come to him.

I was an atheist at one time. And like many atheists, the issue of people believing in God bothered me greatly. What is it about atheists that we would spend so much time, attention, and energy refuting something that we don’t believe even exists?! What causes us to do that? When I was an atheist, I attributed my intentions as caring for those poor, delusional people…to help them realize their hope was completely ill-founded. To be honest, I also had another motive. As I challenged those who believed in God, I was deeply curious to see if they could convince me otherwise. Part of my quest was to become free from the question of God. If I could conclusively prove to believers that they were wrong, then the issue is off the table, and I would be free to go about my life.

God seeks to know us - Photo of sunset on an ocean shore to illustrate the warmth of God's love and desire for us to know him.I didn’t realize that the reason the topic of God weighed so heavily on my mind, was because God was pressing the issue. I have come to find out that God wants to be known. He created us with the intention that we would know him. He has surrounded us with evidence of himself and he keeps the question of his existence squarely before us. It was as if I couldn’t escape thinking about the possibility of God. In fact, the day I chose to acknowledge God’s existence, my prayer began with, “Ok, you win…” It might be that the underlying reason atheists are bothered by people believing in God is because God is actively pursuing them.

I am not the only one who has experienced this. Malcolm Muggeridge, socialist and philosophical author, wrote, “I had a notion that somehow, besides questing, I was being pursued.” C.S. Lewis said he remembered, “…night after night, feeling whenever my mind lifted even for a second from my work, the steady, unrelenting approach of Him whom I so earnestly desired not to meet. I gave in, and admitted that God was God, and knelt and prayed: perhaps, that night, the most dejected and reluctant convert in all of England.”

Lewis went on to write a book titled, “Surprised by Joy” as a result of knowing God. I too had no expectations other than rightfully admitting God’s existence. Yet over the following several months, I became amazed by his love for me.

6. Unlike any other revelation of God, Jesus Christ is the clearest, most specific picture of God revealing himself to us.

Why Jesus? Look throughout the major world religions and you’ll find that Buddha, Muhammad, Confucius and Moses all identified themselves as teachers or prophets. None of them ever claimed to be equal to God. Surprisingly, Jesus did. That is what sets Jesus apart from all the others. He said God exists and you’re looking at him. Though he talked about his Father in heaven, it was not from the position of separation, but of very close union, unique to all humankind. Jesus said that anyone who had seen Him had seen the Father, anyone who believed in him, believed in the Father.

Jesus Christ reveals God to us - Photo of a man reading the Bible to learn more about Jesus Christ.He said, “I am the light of the world, he who follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.”14 He claimed attributes belonging only to God: to be able to forgive people of their sin, free them from habits of sin, give people a more abundant life and give them eternal life in heaven. Unlike other teachers who focused people on their words, Jesus pointed people to himself. He did not say, “follow my words and you will find truth.” He said, “I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one comes to the Father but through me.”15

What proof did Jesus give for claiming to be divine? He did what people can’t do. Jesus performed miracles. He healed people…blind, crippled, deaf, even raised a couple of people from the dead. He had power over objects…created food out of thin air, enough to feed crowds of several thousand people. He performed miracles over nature…walked on top of a lake, commanding a raging storm to stop for some friends. People everywhere followed Jesus, because he constantly met their needs, doing the miraculous. He said if you do not want to believe what I’m telling you, you should at least believe in me based on the miracles you’re seeing.16

Jesus Christ showed God to be gentle, loving, aware of our self-centeredness and shortcomings, yet deeply wanting a relationship with us. Jesus revealed that although he views us as sinners, worthy of his punishment, his love for us ruled and he came up with a different plan. God himself took on the form of man and accepted the punishment for our sin on our behalf. Sounds ludicrous? Perhaps, but many loving fathers would gladly trade places with their child in a cancer ward if they could. The Bible says that the reason we would love God is because he first loved us.

Jesus died in our place so we could be forgiven. Of all the religions known to humanity, only through Jesus will you see God reaching toward humanity, providing a way for us to have a relationship with him. Jesus proves a divine heart of love, meeting our needs, drawing us to himself. Because of Jesus’ death and resurrection, he offers us a new life today. We can be forgiven, fully accepted by God and genuinely loved by God. He says, “I have loved you with an everlasting love, therefore I have continued my faithfulness to you.”17 This is God, in action.

Does God exist - Photo of a young woman, drinking a cup of coffee and reading the Bible, to learn about a relationship with God.Does God exist? If you want to know, investigate Jesus Christ. We’re told that “God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.”18

God does not force us to believe in him, though he could. Instead, he has provided sufficient proof of his existence for us to willingly respond to him. The earth’s perfect distance from the sun, the unique chemical properties of water, the human brain, DNA, the number of people who attest to knowing God, the gnawing in our hearts and minds to determine if God is there, the willingness for God to be known through Jesus Christ. If you need to know more about Jesus and reasons to believe in him, please see: Beyond Blind Faith.

If you want to begin a relationship with God now, you can.

This is your decision, no coercion here. But if you want to be forgiven by God and come into a relationship with him, you can do so right now by asking him to forgive you and come into your life. Jesus said, “Behold, I stand at the door [of your heart] and knock. He who hears my voice and opens the door, I will come into him [or her].”19 If you want to do this, but aren’t sure how to put it into words, this may help: “Jesus, thank you for dying for my sins. You know my life and that I need to be forgiven. I ask you to forgive me right now and come into my life. I want to know you in a real way. Come into my life now. Thank you that you wanted a relationship with me. Amen.”

God views your relationship with him as permanent. Referring to all those who believe in him, Jesus Christ said of us, “I know them, and they follow me; and I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish, and no one shall snatch them out of my hand.”20

Looking at all these facts, one can conclude that a loving God does exist and can be known in an intimate, personal way.

I just asked Jesus into my life (some helpful information follows)…
I may want to ask Jesus into my life, please explain this more fully…
I have a question or comment…

Footnotes: (1) Romans 1:19-21 (2) Jeremiah 29:13-14 (3) R.E.D. Clark, Creation (London: Tyndale Press, 1946), p. 20 (4) The Wonders of God’s Creation, Moody Institute of Science (Chicago, IL) (5) Ibid. (6) Ibid. (7) Ibid. (8) Hugh Davson, Physiology of the Eye, 5th ed (New York: McGraw Hill, 1991) (9) Robert Jastrow; “Message from Professor Robert Jastrow”; LeaderU.com; 2002. (10) Steven Weinberg; The First Three Minutes: A Modern View of the Origin of the Universe; (Basic Books,1988); p 5. (11) Dinesh D’Souza, What’s So Great about Christianity; (Regnery Publishing, Inc, 2007, chapter 11). (12) Richard Feynman, The Meaning of It All: Thoughts of a Citizen-Scientist (New York: BasicBooks, 1998), 43. (13) Francis S. Collins, director of the Human Genome Project, and author of The Language of God, (Free Press, New York, NY), 2006 (14) John 8:12 (15) John 14:6 (16) John 14:11 (17) Jeremiah 31:3 (18) John 3:16 (19) Revelation 3:20 (20) John 10:27-29

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  1. ”For your convenience, the Barf Bag is under your seat. Thank you for flying Creation Airways. Please join the pilot in prayer as we ask God to land the aircraft.”

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    Comment by Arkenaten — January 9, 2019 @ 16:09

    • Thank you Ark. I would love for you to offer your grand view points to our newest 14 year old Muslim female. She originally came at us with a angry attitude I think because she thought we were unreasonable haters. She is being indoctrinated by her school in Pakistan. I hope we can point out the errors in the science they are teaching her. I don’t care if she wants to believe in a deity, but I don’t want her lied to about reality without a counter argument for how things really are. You are one of the best at this. I think you could do her wonders. Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — January 9, 2019 @ 16:19

      • Sometimes I feel like Danny Glover:
        ”I’m getting too old for this shit.”

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        Comment by Arkenaten — January 9, 2019 @ 16:21

        • Hello Ark. Maybe but you are the older warrior I ( we ) look to for guidance. No shit your blog was one of the first I started following that I read along without commenting on , that taught me and opened my eyes to many things I simply never thought about. I was not religious but I never thought about things you posted on and the historical way you put everything. It simply made sense to me what you argued. I am hoping you can do that with the 6 to 10 Muslim people now following my blog. Not to mention the surge in religious blogs now following me which I do not understand at all. Thanks . hugs

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          Comment by Scottie — January 9, 2019 @ 16:31

        • ”I’m getting too old for this shit”—again.

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          Comment by jim- — January 9, 2019 @ 16:35

          • Jim, we need your input on this also. Look guys, I am not hating on , nor want to hurt a 14 year old girl, but she is being lied too. If she wants to have a god or faith that is ok. but she needs to know and understand she has been lied too about the natural world and laws of nature. I simply think you guys, who have far more knowledge and understanding than I do, could help her and the many muslims and christians following my blog in ways I can not. Thanks, and as always Hugs.

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            Comment by Scottie — January 9, 2019 @ 16:40

        • Like George Burns said the day before he died, “I’m getting too old TO shit. That’s why I’m wearing this colostomy bag, sonny!” Funny, but these “God must be real cause I don’t know what other answer there can be for big questions I don’t know the answers to” discussions always seem to come back to the topic of “shit” at one point or the other. Funny, that.

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          Comment by inspiredbythedivine1 — January 9, 2019 @ 16:55

          • You sir, have a point. I am just not sure where it is! Hugs

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            Comment by Scottie — January 9, 2019 @ 17:29

            • On top of my head, of course. Just remember, if you don’t have an answer to a HUGE unknown question like, “Where did the universe come from?”, the answer is “God”. Therefor, the more you DO NOT know about something, the more you actually DO KNOW because, well, because, “God did it”. OK?

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              Comment by inspiredbythedivine1 — January 9, 2019 @ 17:35

              • Well said, very well said. Doesn’t make sense, but you said it well. Hugs

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                Comment by Scottie — January 9, 2019 @ 19:48

            • Scottie just ask yourself the following question: When did any god – if one ever existed, create menkind. If you read, what history is telling us as answer, the fakes of all the old religions should be quite easily to be seen.

              There is just one “inspiteof”-god – Empathy – which I trust in.

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              Comment by m-iles — January 11, 2019 @ 16:39

              • The human genome project proved via DNA analysis that the female we all track back to and the male we all track back to never lived at the same time. That alone makes genesis wrong and a fable. Hugs

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                Comment by Scottie — January 12, 2019 @ 06:38

      • “..she thought we were unreasonable haters..” I take great offense to this! I may be a hater, but, by Thor, I’m NOT unreasonable! I’ll eat babies of ANY religious background. Add a bit of salt and BBQ sauce, and they’re ALL delicious! Now, I’m off to to look at things I don’t have answers to and claim, because I don’t have answers to them, that God did them. What other explanation could there be for me not knowing the answers to everything, eh? I mean, it ain’t like I don’t actually KNOW the answers, right?

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        Comment by inspiredbythedivine1 — January 9, 2019 @ 16:52

  2. In rebuttal. As if.

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    Comment by nationofnope — January 9, 2019 @ 16:32

    • ???? Hello Nation. I know you are both very smart and have strong feelings on Religion And Islam. I know I would welcome your ideas and response to these things Fatema sent. She thinks these really prove god because she has been taught that. I would love for us on my Toy Box to be able to explain why these things do not explain god, but are in fact natural processes. Thanks . Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — January 9, 2019 @ 16:35

      • It is not proof, it’s conjecture. Flawed reasoning and logical fallacies are all she is doing. First, provide evidence or the supernatural, then we can talk.

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        Comment by nationofnope — January 9, 2019 @ 17:05

      • Scottie, I have had this discussion with apologist before. The last post I did on the subject is attached. https://nationofnope.wordpress.com/2018/10/31/my-repeated-failings-with-conversations-about-faith-vs-anything/

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        Comment by nationofnope — January 9, 2019 @ 19:53

        • Hello Nation. Thank you. It was an interesting read and I understand your frustration at people who simply deny reality. I don’t think this will be an easy thing to change people’s minds. Especially not if they have a reason to need to believe. Below is the comment I left on your blog. Hugs

          Thank you. I do understand. Even though I was never religious in any dedicated way, I read Ark’s blog and Nan’s and found my way to others in that group. I learned things I had not known. I did not comment, I simply read and then checked a few things I was reading, which lead me to new and interesting histories I had never known. I did not change into an atheist reading these blogs, I discovered information that showed me the different ideas and the real facts of our reality. After reading and learning I began to comment and became a member of the community. I would take it as a huge compliment if someday someone comments on my blog that they also learned of how things really are, that reality made sense when they read what comments were left on my Toy Box. That is why I do it, why I try to stay as civil as I can and should. I do not mind calling out bullshit for what it is, but I want the conversation, the discussion that may spark a change of thoughts. I can only hope to have that kind of influence. Hugs

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          Comment by Scottie — January 10, 2019 @ 18:51

  3. Just my opinion — but any non-believer who takes the time to read this has waaaay too much time on their hands.

    As for your Muslim female visitor, if she truly believes this, the rebuttals most likely will go nowhere. I suppose one can try — but it won’t be me.

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    Comment by Nan — January 9, 2019 @ 17:00

    • Thank you Nan. Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — January 9, 2019 @ 17:30

    • Indeed! And it isn’t as if we haven’t read this stuff … what, like a g’zillion times already!

      Amazing how some apologists … no, make that all, have this nails down a blackboard irritating habit of presuming that what they are imparting is the Real Deal and you obviously haven’t heard THIS evidence before ‘cos it’s fact with a capital Eff, and then (Christians) go on to recommend you read Lee Strobel and Wallace.

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      Comment by Arkenaten — January 10, 2019 @ 05:44

      • @ Nan, @ Ark, I agree. I do plan to respond to her but in a limited fashion focausing more on reason than science. She has not gotten back to my last few emails to her. I hope she is just busy and not trolling me. I so want to be able to reach out and plant a seed. I doubt I can convince her any more than I could Amanda, Rohit , or make a dent in Wally’s world view when he commented a few times on my blog. But how can we not reach out to the youth if they are questioning? Manahil and us here found common ground. I think she will remember that in her life. She did not renounce her faith, yet she did admit there were problems with how the majority of Muslims view their faith. That is a start as far as I can tell. Thanks to both of you. Hugs

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        Comment by Scottie — January 10, 2019 @ 19:32

  4. I could do a ten page rebuttal and she’d (or her parents) would choose one thing, take it out of context, Fire back with another Gish Gallup and hand wave the rest into digital dead-space. It’s too much work for me today.

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    Comment by jim- — January 9, 2019 @ 17:54

    • Well, since you can’t PROVE that her proof of God is NOT true, you must admit it is! Mic drop! End of argument! Hallelujah!

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      Comment by inspiredbythedivine1 — January 9, 2019 @ 18:14

      • I just want to show her there is normal understood reasons why things happen as they do. It doesn’t need god to bring and sun and moon in at the correct time each day as she mentioned. We understand newtonian gravity which explains the movement of the planets. Hugs

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        Comment by Scottie — January 9, 2019 @ 19:53

        • True, but things like gravity and the workings of the human are VERY complex and specific. Therefor, GOD!!! See? OK, I thought you would. MIC DROP!!! I win!!! (right?) 🙂

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          Comment by inspiredbythedivine1 — January 10, 2019 @ 08:50

          • Hello inspiredbythedivine1, so can I get away with saying my beard is an act of god? Hey want to hear something funny. Today while getting the fitting for my new crown they got the impression material in my beard. The doctor said after she put it in she thought it was caught in my beard, but rather than take it out and redo it, she left so it would set up. Yup, six minutes later as it had hardened her assistant tried to take it out. It was all hardened into my beard. The woman had to cut my bread to get the new mold of my crown out. But first just to make sure it was attached to my beard she had to give it a few really strong yanks. They don’t make dental novocaine for someone trying to remove set up dental molding from your facial hair. Before she cut it out I was afraid she would be like a comedy skit and stand with one foot on my chest as she heaved back ripping the hair from my face. Needless to say after that when I go to the check out station I made sure to pay my bill. I was afraid they would get that stuff stuck in even more sensitive hair spots and I cannot afford to lose any more hair down there not to mention the sudden need for a defibrillator if they ripped the hair from those precious things. . Hugs

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            Comment by Scottie — January 10, 2019 @ 20:31

    • I understand. That is why I am going to try to do it on video. Too much typing for me. I just felt others would have smarter clearer things to say than I will. I doubt she will listen as you say. Manahil took everything I told her to her school instructor who told her I was wrong. Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — January 9, 2019 @ 19:50

      • I could Scotty take on one point, but not the whole thing.

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        Comment by jim- — January 9, 2019 @ 21:22

        • If you feel you want to. I don’t want you to feel I am trying to get to ask you to do anything against your wishes. I only asked because I have a lot of respect for you and the others in our community. I will sit down this weekend and respond to her. Some have raised the point if she even read it as the thing she sent seems to have a more christian ending point. Thanks Jim, as always I value your comments. Hugs

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          Comment by Scottie — January 10, 2019 @ 19:11

  5. The problem is that these are all old, tired arguments which every atheist inclined to debate such issues has already seen dozens of times. The answers to all this stuff are out there, and it feels like laboriously going over old ground to re-type it all out one more time for someone who doesn’t want to take the trouble to seek out the information for herself. She probably saw this stuff and, because it was new to her, thought it would be new to everybody.

    Also, not everything which is true is easy to explain. For example, on point 2, thanks to researchers like Hawking and Krauss we do, in fact, know how the universe began (the answer to the “why is there something rather than nothing” problem), and no, it doesn’t require a god. But understanding the solution requires some substantial basic knowledge of quantum physics and the Heisenberg Principle. There is no natural law that reality must be easy for people without scientific education to understand.

    Are you sure she’s a Muslim? The material under part 6 definitely sounds Christian. Muslim ideas about Jesus are quite different. If she is a Muslim, she probably copy-pasted this from some Christian apologetics website without bothering to read it closely.

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    Comment by Infidel753 — January 9, 2019 @ 21:57

    • probably copy-pasted this from some Christian apologetics website

      Sorry, didn’t see the byline at the beginning on the first skim-through. But it looks like she did, in fact, hardly read this before proffering it — so it’s a bit much for her to ask others to do the work of responding to what she herself did not bother to pay close attention to.

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      Comment by Infidel753 — January 9, 2019 @ 22:38

      • I agree. I am waiting for her to get back to me. I have to be fair and say I have not been able to be on the blog as much as normal and I have not really checked my email in days. But I will do some quick answers to her as best I can and if she wants to continue to talk I will. Thanks. Hugs

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        Comment by Scottie — January 10, 2019 @ 19:23

    • Hello Infidel, thank you for your reply. As to if she is Muslim, I did check the IP address she leaves comments from. It does come from Pakistan. I do not know more than that. She has stopped responding to me but she did mention she has exams. So maybe she was trolling me or feels I did not respond to her in a way she wanted to continue. I will keep trying to reach out to her. How better to make our world than at least getting the idea out there that not all religious leaders need be followed just because they are religious leaders. While I was not religious I still learned a lot from reading the blogs of our community, and I still do. Every day I find new things I either had not thought of, or things I had not thought enough on from our community of blogs. I wish I could spend more time on each blog as I miss a lot of them sometimes. It takes me normally three days to get through your Sunday round up, but it sure is worth it. Be well. Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — January 10, 2019 @ 19:18

  6. This stuff makes me think of what my late father told me when I was a child: “Religion is about God, Science is about how God does it.” Which is logical on a child’s level. But nobody thinks like a child beyond childhood. Except these childish Christians. I might point out that not all Christians are this childish.

    My father had several degrees, one of which was physics. At the same time, he was a devout Catholic. I was raised to believe in the Bible as the word of God but not the literal word … it is metaphor & nothing more than that. But there are powerful truths in metaphor. Truths are different than THE TRUTH.

    I have never understood people who take the Bible as literal fact. You might as read Grimm’s Fairy Tales as history. Of course, these are the people who can’t tell fake news from the real thing.

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    Comment by silverapplequeen — January 10, 2019 @ 06:06

    • these are the people who can’t tell fake news from the real thing.

      I believe there’s a cause-and-effect relationship there. Literal belief in religion requires disabling one’s willingness to evaluate beliefs on the basis of evidence. Once that’s done for the sake of religion, it’s much easier to do it in any other area.

      When political conservatism embraced religious fundamentalism, that opened the way for it to embrace global-warming denialism, trickle-down economics, general hostility to science, the Fox/Breitbart alternate reality, and all the other nonsense which now characterizes it.

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      Comment by Infidel753 — January 10, 2019 @ 06:27

      • you are so damn right.
        But how scientists can really believe in one of the old gods , is and will be beyond my insight. You told us that there has been a culture of cave-painters some 50000 years BC.
        “Kimberley rock art is arguably some of the world’s oldest, with evidence suggesting the earliest occupation in the region dates back 50,000 to 60,000 years ago.
        Rock paintings can provide information about how and when people arrived, about the environment at the time, how they lived and adjusted to changing climatic conditions, and something of their beliefs.

        ‘In Empathy trust.

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        Comment by m-iles — January 10, 2019 @ 09:40

        • @ MIles. Is not knowledge of history a grand thing. I was so unaware of the history of cave paintings that I was delighted to learn of the real history of them. I had known of the cave paintings in France but to learn of the others was really a grand thing. Infidel aslo was able to explain a mystery to me as to how the cave art happened in a cave where they had to crawl into the cave. I couldn’t figure out how they were able to do cave art in total darkness. I did not realize that hominids had already understood fire by then and there is evidence of soot on the walls of these places. This is what I mean when I say an education is so important, I did not know these things. You know what I would love to know, how did these early hominids learn to use and control fire? How did they learn to create it? Be well. Hugs

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          Comment by Scottie — January 10, 2019 @ 20:46

          • That’s an interesting question. I think it’s believed that for a long time early hominids “stole” fire when it naturally occurred, by carrying away burning branches from forest fires that were subsiding, and suchlike, and preserved it at home by simply feeding more burnable material into it to keep it going for days or even weeks when they got good at it. Nobody knows how the first hominid came up with the idea of creating fire by friction. It may have been some one genius somewhere who noticed that objects tend to get hot when rubbed together, and decided to try it with dry wood. But once such a useful secret was discovered, it would never be forgotten.

            In any case, early hominids started to control fire about 500,000 years ago, and the Lascaux cave paintings were done around 17,000 years ago — by which time the people doing them were fully modern humans physically, and had long experience using and controlling fire.

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            Comment by Infidel753 — January 10, 2019 @ 21:37

    • Something I’ve noticed over the years is that a person can be a “devout Catholic” and still believe in sensible things. IMO, the reason for this is Catholicism really doesn’t require a whole lot from a person — not like, say, evangelicalism does. IOW, you can do your Sunday mass thing and your Hail Mary thing and still live a comparatively “normal” life. Of course there are always exceptions — some Catholics are just as deeply in the mire as any Pentecostal!

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      Comment by Nan — January 10, 2019 @ 13:03

    • Thank you SA Queen. BTW do you have a prefered way to shorten your screen name or another prefered way to address you? I do try to be friendly and use the name people prefer.

      I understand what you are saying. I am being told by many people I am being unreasonable to think anything I reply or anyone says will make a difference. Michelle says she has a faith and no one could take it from her. The thing is I am not trying to take away her faith. I am trying to correct misconceptions she has been taught about science and reality. As you say your father was an educated smart man who also had faith. But I would bet your father never would deny the reality of how natural laws work to justify having faith. I recently said having a code of how we live our lives could be a personal faith. I have a code I live my life by, but mine is more humanist than supernaturally religious. We can only hope we are making a difference in people’s lives to help them see the real world around them. Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — January 10, 2019 @ 19:42

  7. Fatema, >I give some advice:

    Find out how many billions of planets are iour milkyway, That is our Galaxy.
    Find out how many billions of Galaxies do exist

    Calculate the number of planets exiwsting in all Galaxies

    Find out how many Billions of years our Earthj exist

    Find out how many billion years our Universe exist

    Now tell me, hgow many diofferent kiind of aliens exist /exist in the whole univers.–
    And dont.come up with the totally unlogical and stupid anwer: ust one – mankind – with Quran and allah as the only god

    The “inspite of god – Empathy – should ‘rule the world” — and not any kind of nonexisting god should ruin the world.

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    Comment by m-iles — January 10, 2019 @ 07:49

    • I love this Miles. Really if the reason for all there is happens to be for god to relate to humans, why is there so much else? If the Earth was made for humans, why is so much of it very hostile to human life? Yes what about other life forms? Do they need saving from mankind’s sin on this tiny ball of rock in a side arm in a small galaxy? If so did a son of god ( demi god ) have to be killed on their planets or was it happening on earth enough? None of this makes sense when you think of it as a universe full of life. Thanks again Miles. Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — January 10, 2019 @ 19:51

      • Those are really good question .
        By the way: Fatema’s proof of god is not hers as she cited correctly

        Only in Empathy I trust.

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        Comment by m-iles — January 11, 2019 @ 08:58

  8. Fatema, I give some advice:

    Find out how many billions of planets are in our milkyway, That is our Galaxy.
    Find out how many billions of Galaxies do exist

    Calculate the number of planets existing in all Galaxies

    Find out how many Billions of years our Earth exists

    Find out how many billions of years our Universe exists

    Now tell me, how many different kinds of aliens did exist /do exist in the whole universe.–
    And don’t. come up with the totally unlogical and stupid anwer: just one – mankind – with Quran and allah as the only god

    The “inspite of god – Empathy – should ‘rule the world” — and not any kind of nonexisting god should r u i n the world.

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    Comment by m-iles — January 10, 2019 @ 07:56

  9. Lolz

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    Comment by Dennis Cole — January 10, 2019 @ 10:48

    • Hello Dennis, any thoughts in rebuttal? Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — January 10, 2019 @ 20:46

      • Not really, Scottie. Just, if God really wanted believers, wouldn’t he just make an(other) appearance? Seems like He went to a lot of effort 2,000 years ago, (if the myths & fables are even close to true,) but he can’t be bothered with a repeat performance? You know, just as a reinforcement technique?

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        Comment by Dennis Cole — January 11, 2019 @ 12:25

        • I agree. Seems strange all miracles stopped when we humans became able to properly investigate and to record them. Hugs

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          Comment by Scottie — January 12, 2019 @ 06:25

  10. Dear Fatema: There I S a proof that all religions are Fakes:

    “there has been a culture of cave-painters some 50000 years BC.
    “Kimberley rock art is arguably some of the world’s oldest, with evidence suggesting the earliest occupation in the region dates back 50,000 to 60,000 years ago.
    Rock paintings can provide information about how and when people arrived, about the environment at the time, how they lived and adjusted to changing climatic conditions, and something of their beliefs.”

    https://www.kimberleyfoundation.org.au/kimberley-rock-art/research-history/

    This was, at least more than 40 000 years before any of the gods came into mens view. This was just because these cave-painters could only paint – but not write.
    If any of your gods was eternally and almighty, he the all-knowing and almighty must have created them. But why didnt he teach them how to write – the allmighty? They were his intelligent creatures, otherwise they couldn’t have beein able to see themselves, and paint themselves.

    So, all those writings of bibles and qurans must be fakes, cause the gods/ the god had created man at least 40 000 years earlier, — and later he didnt remember, that he had already created men, — god the allknowing must have forgotten them , — until people could write.

    See the nonsens and the fake in all religions founded just 30 000 years too late.

    The newly found religions just had to wait until e v o l u t i o n gave some peole the knowledge, how to write. That proofs bejond any doubt, that the newly found religions where just fictions by “creative men” full of fear about the unknowns all around of them. Cause a fictional god had created men 30 000 years earlier, as cave-painters in Australia. He, the allknowing and allmighty fictional god just didnt take into account, that his followers wouldn’t believe him because the cavepainters were not able to write fiction.

    There is only the “inspiteof”god — Empathy

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    Comment by m-iles — January 10, 2019 @ 18:12

  11. Great story!

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    Comment by inspiredbythedivine1 — January 11, 2019 @ 08:08


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