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February 10, 2019

Hundreds Of Idiots Protest WA Vaccination Bill [VIDEO]

Filed under: Children, Education, Family, Harm, Health, News, Political, Questions — Scottie @ 07:08

An estimated 700 people, most of them opposed to stricter requirements, lined up before dawn in the cold, toting strollers and hand-lettered signs, to sit in the hearing, which was so crowded that staff opened up additional rooms to accommodate the crowd. Many gathered outside afterward for a rally.

Anti-vaccine activists, including Robert F. Kennedy Jr., a prominent vaccine conspiracy theorist, claimed that health officials are covering up vaccine dangers. Some said their children had been injured or sickened by immunizations. One falsely said the majority of people diagnosed with measles have been vaccinated.


  1. These idiots are to be found everywhere in growing numbers, WHO has therefore declared in January them as a global threat.

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    Comment by banactee — February 10, 2019 @ 07:20

    • Hello Banactee. From the comments on the web page I got this from it seems that the Russian troll factory has been very active pushing the anti-vaccine issue. Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — February 10, 2019 @ 07:44

      • They have nothing to loose than their stupidity – and becoming “some-one” in the media, even with the knowledge, that they are merely indeed nothing hostile to mankind TROLLS.

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        Comment by m-iles — February 10, 2019 @ 08:25

        • Hello Miles. I agree the anti-vaccine movement is very harmful. I think it is part of the whole anti-science movement. It is a shame we humans worked so hard to learn and become educated only to be pulled backward by people who cannot understand something so they are convinced it is wrong. Hugs


          Comment by Scottie — February 10, 2019 @ 09:01

          • Thats not only the egocentric politics of of the government; it isa the churchesWho do their run for keeping their believers on their side of anti-sience and lack of knowledge, just as that catholic archbishop claims: untaught believers are the best ofChristians.

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            Comment by m-iles — February 10, 2019 @ 11:23

            • Hello Miles. Yes it seems the more “deeply” religious a person is the more they disbelieve well known science and facts about our reality. Hugs


              Comment by Scottie — February 10, 2019 @ 12:28

  2. If it only effected them, I would care if that stupidity is what they want. But think if this was more of a pandemic plague of some sort that a vaccine could prevent and they refused. It could spread and kill millions.
    Stupid stupid people….yes part of the anti science group, but oddly I think from the left.
    Natures way of thinning out perhaps?

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    Comment by maryplumbago — February 10, 2019 @ 09:23

    • Hello Mary. That is what is basically happening in Washington state and in many other areas with the measles. I know locally we had a huge outbreak of measles that required schools to close for a while. Daycare places have had out breaks because of vaccinated children. Hugs


      Comment by Scottie — February 10, 2019 @ 09:35

  3. Above I meant to say I “wouldn’t care of that stupidity is what they want.” If it only effected them.

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    Comment by maryplumbago — February 10, 2019 @ 10:48

    • Hello Mary. I understood and I do agree. If what anyone is doing is not harming anyone else, and any involved are consenting, I really don’t care what they do! What ever floats their boat, or as the current saying is “You do you boo”. Like you my complaint, my anger, my push back comes when they start using their beliefs or actions to hurt others. To force non consenting people to do their thing. Be well. Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — February 10, 2019 @ 12:18

  4. trumpels and the Churches politics are weaning them from their former feeling of responsibility for society.

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    Comment by m-iles — February 10, 2019 @ 11:13

    • Hello Miles. Yes it seems people do not think how what they are doing affects others around them. These people do not care if their own kids get sick it seems and they care less if others kids get ill. Hugs


      Comment by Scottie — February 10, 2019 @ 12:25

  5. So long as there are people like Alex Jones and other conspiracy theorists, we’re going to be dealing with people like this. As Anderson mentioned on his blog … this is just an example of the effect ignoring science can have. One of these days in the not-too-distant future, the full effects of (the ignored) climate change will be felt … but on a MUCH bigger scale.

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    Comment by Nan — February 10, 2019 @ 12:45

    • Hello Nan. You are correct. I was watching the Sunday news shows. Seems polls show that the majority of people in both parties want climate change addressed. That is a good start. Now if we can get the politicians to act against their big money polluting donors. Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — February 10, 2019 @ 13:04

  6. Scottie, the more often I come to your blog, I notice that the talk is about bad education in the US for the normal peoples kids. Its a shame, what RIPs – Repuke Indoctrination Party – does to their youth , with the all too active help of the churches.

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    Comment by m-iles — February 10, 2019 @ 13:08

    • Hello Miles. You are correct. The republican party has attacked public education and the public school systems since Ronald Reagan. It seems they want to make education / schools for the non-wealthy to be simply trade schools and preparing young workers for the needs of the low end labor pool. Simple put, they do not want workers that can challenge the corporate stance on low wage and no benefits. They also seem to want no challenge to the right to upper levels of corporate management that they think should be filled by the children of the wealthy. Republicans have for years run for election promising to eliminate the federal Department of Education. Hugs


      Comment by Scottie — February 10, 2019 @ 13:41

  7. Out of 7 billion people, 50 really isn’t much. Even 500 isn’t much. I don’t believe vaccines cause autism, but I believe 100% in medical freedom. No law should determine what we put in our own bodies.


    Comment by Edith Aint — February 11, 2019 @ 20:13

    • Hello Edith. Your body autonomy is fine if you accept the consequences of your putting everyone else at risk. So that means you and your not vaccinated family members can not join society. No going to school, no going where others gather, no stores and shopping. You would be a danger to others and so we must insist you be isolated for the good of all. We do that for other things that are a communicable health hazard such as Ebola. You do realize that we had these horrible afflictions / diseases almost wiped out. Some were gone from our country. They were not threatening kids or adults. Now they are on a resurgence. It is wrong to put others at risk for a disease that they will have to suffer for a life time over when it can be so easily prevented with a vaccine. Please remember there are people among us, many children in schools, who have an issue with their immunity system and can not be vaccinated. They need you and your family to be vaccinated because you can be, to protect them. Simply put it is part of being in a society, a community, you work together for the well being of all. For the betterment of the community. What your saying is you feel it is OK to work against the good of everyone , to put your fellows at risk , to be the cause of harm and suffering, to be anti-social just because you demand your right to independently do your own thing. We do not allow that for other laws in our country, we have courts and punishments for those who think they can drive in a manner that is a threat to others. There are other examples, but I think you get the point. I wish you the best. I couldn’t bear it if I were the cause of one of these children suffering for my selfishness. Hugs


      Comment by Scottie — February 12, 2019 @ 05:26

      • I would prefer to live isolated from society. Ironically enough, there are many laws preventing that isolation. Laws requiring public school, standardized curriculum, and certain utilities. The government doesn’t want people to live off-grid because it prevents proper cash flow and media indoctrination. True sustainability and self-sufficiency are in direct opposition to the globalist agenda.

        Like it or not, we humans are overpopulated. Epidemics like measles and ebola are necessary ecological forces. It may seem wrong to you, because you are biased toward your own species, but denying your own death is to deny life. I have no desire to intentionally harm any child or adult who doesn’t directly threaten my family, but I refuse to sacrifice my bodily autonomy and personal privacy for the sake of prolonging the inevitable.

        We all die someday. Nature doesn’t care how old you are, OR how young you are. If we don’t die from measles, starvation, or murder, cancer will kill us all someday. Enacting laws to preserve something transient as human life seems little more than totalitarian folly.


        Comment by Edith Aint — February 12, 2019 @ 13:02

        • Hello Edith. Are you trolling me? If not on purpose you are doing a great job of it off hand. What you wrote makes no sense as the sentences conflict with each other.

          You want to live isolated from people. Go for it. Many do it. A quick google search will give you videos of people living remotely all over the world. No law says you have to live with other people unless you are not a competent adult. Laws about schooling? Are you a minor. If not get out, go hide away somewhere. If you are a minor, hold on, if your death wish doesn’t get you, you soon will be an adult and can go get out. Public school laws mean nothing to an individual adult who has no responsibility for a minor. If you are responsible for a minor then you have to know laws in all states allow you to home school and basically set your own curriculum. I have posted on public paid schools that taught nothing but religion. I have posted on kids who learned nothing but the bible and can not add and know nothing about history. So far your comment is not looking very well thought out.

          I am simply not going to go into wild conspiracies with you. You are wrong. The government shuts a lot of utilities off due to lack of payment, don’t want yours, stop paying and see how long you get them. That media indoctrination crap is basically self inflicted. You want to know the truth, Edith it is out there. Watch more than one media, listen to more than one person, go to libraries and read, do research, go to civic centers and watch seminars. No one is forcing anything into your brain, you are taking it in. Have some responsibility for what you consume.

          Is there a lot of humans. Yes. Are humans congested in some areas, yes. Want to know a secret. In the US there are places where humans are so few it is stunning. You can go hundreds of miles between homes. Weird right? Here is the thing. You want to cut down on world population start with birth control, condoms, female rights, and sex education for everyone, complete education for women. Forget killing healthy people off for some sick reason. Start by reducing births, especially forced birth. No one has to give up an existing life to make the population less. Most well developed countries have a declining birth rate. So stop forcing females to have children they do not want, and start telling kids how to prevent getting pregnant. They are going to have sex, we all do, so let them do it without getting pregnant. Sorry Edith , I do not know what silliness you are exposed to but diseases are not necessary forces. Then again you conflate this with giving up your body autonomy. The two things are not equatable, sorry. However speaking of female autonomy, are you pro-choice? Are you anti-abortion? Do not take for your self what you wont give to another.

          Early death and lasting injury by disease is not inevitable. Medical science has made wonders at getting rid of these very things. That is the whole point of vaccinations. It is not harming the planet, it is not causing population explosion, it is well being for the human species. Yes we all die, but we do not need to die before our time and we shouldn’t have children dying from things we can prevent. To suggest it is OK for any child to die from a preventable disease is cruel and inhuman. It simply boggles the mind anyone would think the unnecessary death of a child is in anyway a good thing.
          I worry about you as a person. I really worry if you are in charge of any minors. Hugs


          Comment by Scottie — February 12, 2019 @ 14:03

          • The only people who cry “troll” are immature and ignorant beyond their years.

            I did have a very long reply, but I should learn to accept when I’m obviously wasting my time. You basically prove my point about mass hysteria and totalitarian humanitarianism. There is no reasoning with people like you, just as from your perspective, you see no reasoning with people like me. Evidence for how culturally incompatible our modern society truly is. You ever read Opher’s World, here on WordPress? You might like him.

            Yes, disease is necessary. Infectious disease is an ancient force responsible for much of our genetic diversity. Yes, I support a woman’s right to kill her unborn infant, just as I support a cat’s right to eat her kittens. No, women are NOT oppressed in modern Western nations; women in the US now have MORE legal rights than men. No, I’m not “in charge” of any minors. No need to go whining to the authorities about anything.

            As for your quick Google search….If those people were really living so remotely, would they be on Google for all the world to see? Just a thought.

            I worry about YOU as a person. But more importantly, I worry about the threat such blind idealists pose to myself and my family. There is no good or bad, no liberal or conservative, only birth and death. Life transcends all these human notions.

            I’ll skedaddle now though, before you drag me down to your level and beat me with experience. I pray you find true liberation in these changing times. kthnx


            Comment by Edith Aint — February 12, 2019 @ 15:34

  8. There proof that vaccines are harmful lies within the vaccine towards awards for vaccine injuries. Vaccine court has awarded over $4 billion for vaccination injuries, and only 1% of the claims ever get heard by the court. The healthcare profession only reports 1% of the .injuries although they are supposed to be legally required to report the vaccine injuries.


    Comment by Karen Crutcher — March 18, 2019 @ 01:16

    • Hello Karen. I read up on the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program. Very interesting. Here is a few clips from the article.

      No evidence has been found to support a link between autism spectrum disorders and vaccines,[2] and the scientific consensus is that routine childhood vaccines have no link to the development of autism. Despite this, some parents of children with autism spectrum disorders have attributed the disorders’ onset to vaccines, and more than 5,300 parents have filed petitions at the vaccine court. The vaccine court dismissed the suits and ruled that the MMR vaccine does not cause autism.[3]

      This ruling held that tetanus vaccine caused a particular case of optic neuritis even though no scientific evidence supported the petitioner’s claim.[16] Other rulings have allowed petitioners to gain awards for claims that the MMR vaccine causes fibromyalgia, that the Hib vaccine causes transverse myelitis, and that the hepatitis B vaccine causes Guillain–Barré syndrome, chronic demyelinating polyneuropathy, and multiple sclerosis.[16] In the most extreme of these cases, a 2006 petitioner successfully claimed that a hepatitis B vaccine caused her multiple sclerosis despite several studies showing that the vaccine neither causes nor worsens the disease, and despite a conclusion by the Institute of Medicine that evidence favors rejection of a causal relationship.

      In 2008 the federal government settled a case brought to the vaccine court by the family of Hannah Poling, a girl who developed autistic-like symptoms after receiving a series of vaccines in a single day.[14][17] The vaccines given were DTaP, Hib, MMR, varicella, and inactivated polio. Poling was diagnosed months later with encephalopathy (brain disease) caused by a mitochondrial enzyme deficit, a mitochondrial disorder; it is not unusual for children with such deficits to develop neurologic signs between their first and second years.[16] There is little scientific research in the area: no scientific studies show whether childhood vaccines can cause or contribute to mitochondrial disease, and there is no scientific evidence that vaccinations damage the brains of children with mitochondrial disorders.[14][18] Although many parents view this ruling as confirming that vaccines cause regressive autism, most children with autism do not seem to have mitochondrial disorders, and the case was settled without proof of causation.[14][19]

      With the commencement of hearings in the case of Cedillo v. Secretary of Health and Human Services (Case #98-916V), the argument over whether autism is a vaccine injury moved into the vaccine court. A panel of three special masters began hearing the first cases of the historic Omnibus Autism Proceedings in June 2007.[20] There were six test cases in all, and the entire record of the cases is publicly available.[21] The lead petitioners, the parents of Michelle Cedillo, claimed that Michelle’s autism was caused by a vaccine. Theresa and Michael Cedillo contended that thiomersal seriously weakened Michelle’s immune system and prevented her body from clearing the measles virus after her vaccination at the age of fifteen months. At the outset Special Master George Hastings, Jr. said “Clearly the story of Michelle’s life is a tragic one,”[22] while pledging to listen carefully to the evidence. On February 12, 2009, the court ruled in three test cases that the combination of the MMR vaccine and thiomersal-containing vaccines were not to blame for autism. Hastings concluded in his decision, “Unfortunately, the Cedillos have been misled by physicians who are guilty, in my view, of gross medical misjudgment.”[23] The ruling was appealed to the U.S. Court of Appeals,[3] and upheld.

      On March 13, 2010, the court ruled in three test cases that thiomersal-containing vaccines do not cause autism. Special Master Hastings concluded, “The overall weight of the evidence is overwhelmingly contrary to the petitioners’ causation theories.”[3]

      While nearly 4 billion has been awarded that alone is misleading.

      According to the CDC, from 2006 to 2017 over 3.4 billion doses of covered vaccines were distributed in the U.S. For petitions filed in this time period, 6,197 petitions were adjudicated by the Court, and of those 4,250 were compensated. This means for every 1 million doses of vaccine that were distributed, 1 individual was compensated.

      Since 1988, over 20,428 petitions have been filed with the VICP. Over that 30-year time period, 17,718 petitions have been adjudicated, with 6,430 of those determined to be compensate, while 11,288 were dismissed. Total compensation paid over the life of the program is approximately $4.0 billion.

      Notice the number of doses compared to just one compensation. From 1988 to March of 2019 is a long time for just 4 billion in awards.

      Common sense tells us that vaccines are safer today than they have ever been. We do know that awards have been given where there was no proof that the vaccine was the cause. Most of cases I could find clearly said that it was factors out side of the vaccine including conditions in the body of vaccinated person that do not manifest until later in age.

      One last thing Karen. The trope has been that vaccines cause autism. This has been used even in the story I was linked to in the post. This has been well disproved.

      So here is the summary. Harm from getting a vaccine is 1 million to 1. The risk factors of the harm are not the vaccine but underlying heath causes that surface at an older age. The benefits to being vaccinated far outweigh any possible harm because the risk is so small. Children should be vaccinated in order to go to school , public parks, or any public area. Same with adults. It is needed for the protection of the rest of the public. Hugs


      Comment by Scottie — March 18, 2019 @ 06:13

      • I was not only talking about autism injuries. When you stop to consider that only a very small percentage of vaccine injuries are ever reported to the vaccine court In the first place, and then of the very few that are ever reported, not very many injuries even get heard by the vaccine court. The pharmaceutical companies and the government know that vaccines are dangerous and that is why the pharmaceutical companies blackmailed Congress to set up the vaccine court and thereby fully ensure the manufactures from any liability . Even though a very small number of injury cases make it to the vaccine court, the vaccine court has still awarded for $4 billion for injuries. How can anyone say vaccines are safe when $4 billion has been awarded for injuries thus far?


        Comment by Karen Crutcher — March 20, 2019 @ 07:35

        • Hello Karen. The billions of people vaccinated with no injury or problem does more good and outweighs a sporadic few who have only anecdotal evidence for their “harm”. Just this morning I read of a anti-vaccine person who got chickenpox and spent four days in the hospital. Lucky his children were vaccinated so are safe. However if he had crossed the path of a pregnant woman we could be looking at a deformed baby or a necessary abortion. We can easily say vaccines are safe as they have proven safe for the overwhelming majority. Are cars safe? People get injured or die from them at a huge rate. Do you recommend getting rid of cars? Unhealthy foods? You are being unreasonable and only repeated your first point which I answered. Vaccinations save lives, and are needed and important to get. That is proven world wide. Iceland had gotten rid of one of these childhood diseases but had an outbreak because an unvaccinated man brought to their country and gave it to children too young to be vaccinated yet. The man infected kids! That should be criminal. Hugs


          Comment by Scottie — March 20, 2019 @ 07:45

      • Vaccines are not safer today! There have been absolutely no studies done regarding the safety of these vaccines that are being stacked on top of each other today. In 1960, there were only two doses of vaccines, in 2018: over 50.


        Comment by Karen Crutcher — March 20, 2019 @ 07:45

        • Karen you are simply wrong and a goodle study will clearly show that.

          I am not going to spend my morning looking up and typing out all the information you can google yourself.
          The reason there are more vaccines is because they work and are an important part of a healthy population. If they were not needed no one would care. But they are important, needed, and save lives. That is the real point, they save lives. That is proven by the countries, including the US, that used them and got rid of the threat of these diseases. At least until the anti-vaccine movement started. They are safe as proven by the fact they are used worldwide and you do not see large swaths of the population suffering ill effects. This is reason not emotion. The facts are clear, vaccines are safe, effective, and needed. Hugs


          Comment by Scottie — March 20, 2019 @ 07:54

          • Of course you were only doing your research by looking at the CDC! Which is not a government health advisory organization, it is actually a corporation listed under Dun and Bradstreet! The vaccine manufacturers and the government knows that their vaccines are not safe, that is why the vaccine manufacturers blackmailed Congress to set up the vaccine court to remove all liability from the manufacturer.


            Comment by Karen Crutcher — March 20, 2019 @ 22:28

            • Hello Karen. again you are factually wrong.
              Centers for Disease Control

              The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is a federal agency that conducts and supports health promotion, prevention and preparedness activities in the United States, with the goal of improving overall public health. Mar 28, 2017


              Comment by Scottie — March 21, 2019 @ 05:26

              • Why don’t you please wake up? CDC has 20 patents….CDC abd FDA as well as medical organization or all encourage together they all make money from vaccines. GHS lawsuit against CDC because they have not contacted a safety study on vaccines for 32 years


                Comment by Karen Crutcher — April 9, 2019 @ 18:18

                • Hello Karen. I would ask you the same. How many conspiracy theories can you possibly believe? Your comment doesn’t make sense but I will try to answer you. It may surprise you to know the US government owns the patent on many drugs. Really. You may even use some of them. The reason is that the government funds the research and so gets the patent. Now does the government make money off it. Nope. Normally all government patents bring in no revenue while the companies licensed to make the drug do receive all the profit from the drug. That is where you should be angry. Karen many studies have been done, I even detailed them the last time we “chatted”. You are not interested in facts. I am not sure why. I guess I don’t really care. Vaccines are safe, they have been proven to work, and because of anti-vaccine people horrible diseases are making a come back and are killing people. That is the truth. End of discussion on it. Hugs


                  Comment by Scottie — April 9, 2019 @ 18:35

                • So is it a bigger deal to you that HHS didn’t (according to you) conduct a safety test than it is to allow a vaccine to be used that is KNOWN to prevent a deadly disease? Apparently so.

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                  Comment by Nan — April 9, 2019 @ 18:53

                  • Hello Nan. I suspect things are not what they seem with Karen. I sent her all the things she now claims to be ignorant of. I am not sure she is a person who is anti-vaccine. I suspect she either wants to rile people up or is one of those “paid to sow dissent” people we hear about on the web. Either way she doesn’t care about the facts and only wants an emotional response. Something I am not going to give today. Hugs

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                    Comment by Scottie — April 9, 2019 @ 18:57

  9. Why Kennedy Sued the Government Over Vaccine Safety & Won

    In recent news, the Informed Consent Action Network (ICAN) and Robert F. Kennedy Jr. sued the United States government and won in an issue regarding vaccine safety. According to a legal document entitled, “Mandate for Safer Childhood Vaccines,” Health and Human Services (HHS) has openly admitted to not having filed any vaccine safety reports in over 30 years.


    Comment by Karen Crutcher — March 20, 2019 @ 07:48

    • Hello Karen. Do you look at anything not from a anti-vaccine site? Here is the facts of the case which had nothing to do with the safety of the vaccine, simply the reporting methods.

      Did the US Government Lose a Landmark Vaccine Lawsuit?
      While anti-vaccine folks are pushing this lawsuit victory (?) to make folks think that HHS has done absolutely nothing to promote vaccine safety in the last 30 years, that is obviously nonsense.

      The lawsuit was actually just about the reporting requirements of paragraph (c) of section 2127 of the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986.

      It should be clear that the HHS has done plenty to promote vaccine safety though.

      There is more at the link if you want to read it. You should. Hugs


      Comment by Scottie — March 20, 2019 @ 07:57

  10. What has the HHS Done for vaccine safety pray tell? The HHS was depending on the CDC to conduct a safety test which they never did in 32 years? My god man do you ever look at anything that is not propaganda put out by the organizations that have everything to gain by selling vaccines?


    Comment by Karen Crutcher — April 9, 2019 @ 18:20

    • Hello Karen. You are so silly. I do research into things and I do not use just one source. I even sent you a study done by a country on their entire population. You can not refute that. An entire population and the vaccines were found safe. My god woman do you ever read anything not put out by propaganda sites?
      So stop fear mongering, stop insulting, and start really educating your self. Look at it this way. The reason why these diseases were almost wiped out, and are gone from some countries is because vaccines work! The resurgence of these same diseases is because of anti-vaccines people not getting the vaccines for themselves and their children. These are facts. They are not in dispute. So Karen, I am not interested in your conspiracy theories nor your delusions. I deal in facts. The facts say your wrong. Hugs


      Comment by Scottie — April 9, 2019 @ 18:45

      • Do YOU ever Look at anything then it’s not put out by the Pharma cartel?


        Comment by Karen Crutcher — May 5, 2019 @ 02:28

        • Hello Karen. Wow that took you some time to reply. Read the reply again and you have the answer to your question. Look there is no conspiracy here. We know they work and that they are safe. The millions of people over the last 40-60 years that got the vaccines prove that. Why do you think these diseases were almost wiped out and some have not been seen for decades in some countries? The answer is because people got vaccinated. Why are these same diseases coming back? Because people are not getting the vaccines. That is simple to understand. Hugs


          Comment by Scottie — May 5, 2019 @ 06:53

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