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March 1, 2019

They know, have known, and they love it about him

Filed under: Cartoons, Memes, News, Political, Questions — Scottie @ 07:00

(cartoon by J D Crowe)

(cartoon by Matt Wuerker)

 

(cartoon by Stuart Carlson)

(cartoon by Mike Peters)

 

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  1. He’d also be anti-gay, anti-abortion and therefore unacceptable to the left. Unelectable to office of dog licensing indeed.

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    Comment by Michelle Styles — March 1, 2019 @ 10:51

    • Hello Michelle. I give you he would be anti-LGBTQ,. However as Jesus was a jew who believed in the Jewish laws he would not be anti-abortion. The bible is not anti-abortion and in fact supports abortion. Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — March 1, 2019 @ 12:20

      • Not true at all. Jews believe in life always. Abortion even after rape is wrong to them

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        Comment by Michelle Styles — March 1, 2019 @ 12:21

        • Hello Michelle. Sorry not true. Here is the important passages in the old testament. Hugs

          Num. 5:11: The LORD spoke to Moses, saying:
          Num. 5:12: Speak to the Israelites and say to them: If any man’s wife goes astray and is unfaithful to him,

          Num. 5:13: if a man has had intercourse with her but it is hidden from her husband, so that she is undetected though she has defiled herself, and there is no witness against her since she was not caught in the act;

          Num. 5:14: if a spirit of jealousy comes on him, and he is jealous of his wife who has defiled herself; or if a spirit of jealousy comes on him, and he is jealous of his wife, though she has not defiled herself;

          Num. 5:15: then the man shall bring his wife to the priest. And he shall bring the offering required for her, one-tenth of an ephah of barley flour. He shall pour no oil on it and put no frankincense on it, for it is a grain offering of jealousy, a grain offering of remembrance, bringing iniquity to remembrance.

          Num. 5:16: Then the priest shall bring her near, and set her before the LORD;

          Num. 5:17: the priest shall take holy water in an earthen vessel, and take some of the dust that is on the floor of the tabernacle and put it into the water.

          Num. 5:18: The priest shall set the woman before the LORD, dishevel the woman’s hair,

          Num. 5:18 con’t: and place in her hands the grain offering of remembrance, which is the grain offering of jealousy. In his own hand the priest shall have the water of bitterness that brings the curse.

          Num. 5:19: Then the priest shall make her take an oath, saying, “If no man has lain with you, if you have not turned aside to uncleanness while under your husband’s authority, be immune to this water of bitterness that brings the curse.

          Num. 5:20: But if you have gone astray while under your husband’s authority, if you have defiled yourself and some man other than your husband has had intercourse with you,”

          Num. 5:21: —let the priest make the woman take the oath of the curse and say to the woman—“the LORD make you an execration and an oath among your people, when the LORD makes your uterus drop, your womb discharge

          Num. 5:22: now may this water that brings the curse enter your bowels and make your womb discharge, your uterus drop!” And the woman shall say, “Amen. Amen.”

          Num. 5:23 Then the priest shall put these curses in writing, and wash them off into the water of bitterness.

          Num. 5:24: He shall make the woman drink the water of bitterness that brings the curse, and the water that brings the curse shall enter her and cause bitter pain.

          Num. 5:25: The priest shall take the grain offering of jealousy out of the woman’s hand, and shall elevate the grain offering before the LORD and bring it to the altar;

          Num. 5:26: and the priest shall take a handful of the grain offering, as its memorial portion, and turn it into smoke on the altar, and afterward shall make the woman drink the water.

          Num. 5:27: When he has made her drink the water, then, if she has defiled herself and has been unfaithful to her husband, the water that brings the curse (ארר) shall enter into her and cause bitter pain, and her womb (בטן) shall discharge (צבה), her uterus (ירך) drop (נפל), and the woman shall become an execration (אלה, or “curse”) among her people.

          Num. 5:28: But if the woman has not defiled herself and is clean, then she shall be immune and be able to conceive children.

          https://robertcargill.com/2015/08/19/on-god-ordained-abortion-inducing-magic-potions-and-jealous-husbands-shaming-their-wives-in-the-bible/

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          Comment by Scottie — March 1, 2019 @ 12:33

        • Well, actually the vast majority of Jews accept both abortion and lgbt relationships as acceptable. According to a Gallup poll 76% of Jews think abortions are morally acceptable and 85% think gay/lesbian relationships are morally acceptable. You can find similar results in various Pew studies and other major survey groups as well.

          See this Gallup poll: https://news.gallup.com/poll/191903/religious-groups-disagree-five-key-moral-issues.aspx

          The textual support for this is more complicated: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.myjewishlearning.com/article/abortion-in-jewish-thought/amp/

          Even many Orthodox Jews would support abortions (albeit begrudgingly) in certain situations where the mother’s life is in danger. Reform Jews would definitely support abortions for rape victims. So it’s complicated, but generally Jews as they exist today are supportive of both lgbt rights and a women’s right to choose.

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          Comment by consoledreader — March 1, 2019 @ 16:32

          • Not if they live by the Bible they don’t .. same came be said about Christian’s as it’s only the ones claims ng to live by the Bible who push these beliefs of gays bad… Follow the conversation please before attempting to correct me. Thanks

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            Comment by Michelle Styles — March 1, 2019 @ 16:35

            • Well you did write:

              “Not true at all. Jews believe in life always. Abortion even after rape is wrong to them”

              That’s a rather all-encompassing statement about what Jews believe the way it’s actually written (and I showed isn’t really true for the most part), but if you just meant if Jesus showed up with his 1st century version of Judaism and became a politician today then fine I guess.

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              Comment by consoledreader — March 1, 2019 @ 16:46

  2. https://www.biblestudytools.com/jeremiah/1-5.html

    Not one of those says kill the child. It only covers the wife’s infidelity and nothing more. But nice try. Ask any orthodox Jew and they will tell you it is murder from conception to death to kill an innocent life and is against their fods rules. I can go get the Christian’s to comment here and tell you how you are mistaking thier word. But not needed.

    Not one of those verses says kill the child…

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    Comment by Michelle Styles — March 1, 2019 @ 16:41

    • Hello Michelle. We disagree. The passages say the womb discharged. The only reason the man might think his wife was unfaithful is if she was pregnant. So if what was growing in the womb is discharged it is an induced abortion. Also the bible has several versions of when human life starts. Some passages do say he knew and covered you in the womb, but others talk of needing the first breath of life. So again that is not a cut and dried fact. Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — March 1, 2019 @ 16:59

      • Having read the bible and studied it as an outsider. This is from my former college theology professor. A man with a PhD in the bible and Christian faith. And a man whose word on the matter I trust as he devoted much of his life to becoming an actual biblical expert.

        The Bible clearly teaches that abortion is wrong. This teaching comes across in many ways and for many reasons. Some people point out that the word “abortion” is not in the Bible, and that is true. Nevertheless, the teaching about abortion is there. This is the case with many teachings. The word “Trinity” is not in the Bible, but the teaching about the Trinity is there. In any case, a person who wants to deny the teaching about abortion would deny it even if the word were there.

        Let’s look at some of the Biblical reasons why abortion, the deliberate destruction of a child in the womb, is very wrong.

        The Bible teaches that human life is different from other types of life, because human beings are made in the very image of God.

        The accounts of the creation of man and woman in Genesis (Genesis 1:26-31; 2:4-25) tell us this: “God created man in his image; in the divine image he created him; male and female he created them” (Genesis 1:27).

        The word “create” is used three times here, emphasizing a special crowning moment in the whole process of God’s making the world and everything in it. The man and woman are given “dominion” over everything else in the visible world.

        Not even the original sin takes away the image of God in human beings. St. James refers to this image and says that because of it we should not even speak ill of one another. “With [the tongue] we bless the Lord and Father, and with it we curse human beings who are made in the image of God . . . This ought not be so, brothers” (James 3:9-10).

        The image of God! This is what it means to be human! We are not just a bunch of cells randomly thrown together by some impersonal forces. Rather, we really reflect an eternal God who knew us from before we were made, and purposely called us into being.

        At the heart of the abortion tragedy is the question raised in the Psalms: “Lord, what is man that you care for him, mortal man that you keep him in mind? . . . With glory and honor you crowned him, giving him power over the works of your hands” (Psalm 8:5-7).

        There is the key. Not only did God make us, but He values us. The Bible tells us of a God who is madly in love with us, so much so that He became one of us and even died for us while we were still offending Him (see Romans 5:6-8). In the face of all this, can we say that human beings are disposable, like a car that becomes more trouble than it is worth? “God doesn’t make junk.” If you believe the Bible, you have to believe that human life is sacred, more sacred than we have ever imagined!

        The Bible teaches that children are a blessing.

        God commanded our first parents to “Be fertile and multiply” (Genesis 1:28). Why? God Himself is fertile. Love always overflows into life. When the first mother brought forth the first child, she exclaimed, “I have brought forth a man with the help of the Lord” (Genesis 4:1). The help of the Lord is essential, for He has dominion over human life and is its origin. Parents cooperate with God in bringing forth life. Because this whole process is under God’s dominion, it is sinful to interrupt it. The prophet Amos condemns the Ammonites “because they ripped open expectant mothers in Gilead” (Amos 1:13).

        “Truly children are a gift from the Lord; the fruit of the womb is a reward” (Psalm 127:3).

        The Bible teaches that the child in the womb is truly a human child, who even has a relationship with the Lord.

        The phrase “conceived and bore” is used repeatedly (see Genesis 4:1,17) and the individual has the same identity before as after birth. “In sin my mother conceived me,” the repentant psalmist says in Psalm 51:7. The same word is used for the child before and after birth (Brephos, that is, “infant,” is used in Luke 1:41 and Luke 18:15.)

        God knows the preborn child. “You knit me in my mother’s womb . . . nor was my frame unknown to you when I was made in secret” (Psalm 139:13,15). God also helps and calls the preborn child. “You have been my guide since I was first formed . . . from my mother’s womb you are my God” (Psalm 22:10-11). “God… from my mother’s womb had set me apart and called me through his grace” (St. Paul to the Galatians 1:15).

        Scripture repeatedly condemns the killing of the innocent.

        This flows from everything that has been seen so far. God’s own finger writes in stone the commandment “Thou shalt not murder” (Exodus 20:13, Deuteronomy 5:17) and Christ reaffirms it (Matthew 19:18 – notice that He mentions this commandment first). The Book of Revelation affirms that (unrepentant) murderers cannot enter the kingdom of heaven (Revelation 22:15).

        The killing of children is especially condemned by God through the prophets. In the land God gave his people to occupy, foreign nations had the custom of sacrificing some of their children in fire. God told His people that they were not to share in this sin. They did, however, as Psalm 106 relates: “They mingled with the nations and learned their works…They sacrificed their sons and their daughters to demons, and they shed innocent blood, the blood of their sons and their daughters, whom they sacrificed to the idols of Canaan, desecrating the land with bloodshed” (Psalm 106:35, 37-38).

        This sin of child-sacrifice, in fact, is mentioned as one of the major reasons that the Kingdom of Israel was destroyed by the Assyrians and the people taken into exile. “They mutilated their sons and daughters by fire…till the Lord, in his great anger against Israel, put them away out of his sight” (2 Kings 17:17-18).

        Notice that this practice was a religious ritual. Not even for “religious freedom” can the killing of children be tolerated.

        The Bible teaches that God is a God of justice.

        An act of justice is an act of intervention for the helpless, an act of defense for those who are too weak to defend themselves. In foretelling the Messiah, Psalm 72 says, “Justice shall flower in his days…for he shall rescue the poor man when he cries out and the afflicted when he has no one to help him” (Psalms 72:7,12). Jesus Christ is our justice (1 Corinthians 1:30) because He rescued us from sin and death when we had none to help us (see Romans 5:6, Ephesians 2:4-5).

        If God does justice for His people, He expects His people to do justice for one another. “Be merciful as your heavenly Father is merciful” (Luke 6:36). “Go and do likewise” (Luke 10:37). “Do unto others as you would have them do to you” (Matthew 7:12). “Love one another” (John 15:17).

        Abortion is the opposite of these teachings. It is a reversal of justice. It is a destruction of the helpless rather than a rescue of them. If God’s people do not intervene to save those whose lives are attacked, then the people are not pleasing or worshiping Him.

        God says through Isaiah, “Trample my courts no more! Bring no more worthless offerings…Your festivals I detest…When you spread out your hands, I close my eyes to you; though you pray the more, I will not listen. Your hands are full of blood! Wash yourselves clean…learn to do good. Make justice your aim: redress the wronged, hear the orphan’s plea, defend the widow” (Isaiah 1:13-17).

        Indeed, those who worship God but support abortion are falling into the same contradiction as God’s people of old, and need to hear the same message.

        Jesus Christ paid special attention to the poor, the despised, and those whom the rest of society considered insignificant.

        He broke down the false barriers that people set up among themselves, and instead acknowledged the equal human dignity of every individual, despite what common opinion might say. Hence we see Him reach out to children despite the efforts of the apostles to keep them away (Matthew 19:13-15); to tax collectors and sinners despite the objections of the Scribes (Mark 2:16); to the blind despite the warnings of the crowd (Matthew 20:29-34); to a foreign woman despite the utter surprise of the disciples and of the woman herself (John 4:9, 27); to Gentiles despite the anger of the Jews (Matthew 21:41-46); and to the lepers, despite their isolation from the rest of society (Luke 17:11-19).

        When it comes to human dignity, Christ erases distinctions. St. Paul declares, “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave or free person, there is not male and female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus” (Galatians 3:28).

        We can likewise say, “There is neither born nor unborn.” Using this distinction as a basis for the value of life or the protection one deserves is meaningless and offensive to all that Scripture teaches. The unborn are the segment of our society which is most neglected and discriminated against. Christ Himself surely has a special love for them.

        Scripture teaches us to love.

        St. John says, “This is the message you have heard from the beginning: we should love one another, unlike Cain who belonged to the evil one and slaughtered his brother” (1 John 3:11-12). Love is directly contrasted with slaughter. To take the life of another is to break the command of love. To fail to help those in need and danger is also to fail to love.

        Christ teaches this clearly in the parable of the Good Samaritan (Luke 10:25-37), in the story of the rich man and Lazarus (Luke 16:19-31), and in many other places.

        No group of people is in more serious danger than the boys and girls in the womb. “If someone…sees a brother in need and refuses him compassion, how can the love of God remain in Him?” (1 John 3:17).

        Life is victorious over death.

        This is one of Scripture’s most basic themes. The victory of life is foretold in the promise that the head of the serpent, through whom death entered the world, would be crushed (see Genesis 3:15).

        Isaiah promised, “He will destroy death forever” (Isaiah 25:8). At the scene of the first murder, the soil “opened its mouth” to swallow Abel’s blood. At the scene of the final victory of life, it is death itself that “will be swallowed up in victory. Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting?…Thanks be to God who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ” (1 Corinthians 15:54-57).

        Abortion is death. Christ came to conquer death, and therefore abortion. “I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full” (John 10:10).

        The final outcome of the battle for life has already been decided by the Resurrection of Christ. We are not just working for victory; we are working from victory. We joyfully take a victory that has already been won, and proclaim, celebrate, and serve it until He comes again to bring it to its fullness. “There shall be no more death” (Revelation 21:4). “Amen. Come, Lord Jesus!” (Revelation 22:20).

        That was his answer to does the bible agree with abortion ever. His answer? No.
        He said your passage is not about abortion but about miscarriage. But again i’m an outsider looking in. I have studied it but I don’t live it. Here is a man who does or has done both.

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        Comment by Michelle Styles — March 4, 2019 @ 09:23

        • Hello Michelle. Your professor has an idea that is not universally accepted. On the trinity he is clearly wrong. It was created as a way to reconcile the many gods idea of the Old testament one of which was Yahweh. That was a pagan idea they wished to do away with ahd move to monthesism. here are some interesting quotes.

          The first defense of the doctrine of the Trinity was in the early 3rd century by the early church father Tertullian. He explicitly defined the Trinity as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit and defended his theology against “Praxeas”, though he noted that the majority of the believers in his day found issue with his doctrine.
          Trinity – Wikipedia
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity

          Trinity Not Mentioned In Bible. The truth is that the Trinity isn’t even mentioned in God’s word, the Holy Bible. A check of any concordance will prove this fact. Not only is it not mentioned, but the doctrine is neither found in the New Testament,(6) nor the Old Testament.
          The Trinity — Fact or Fiction? – Auburn University
          http://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/trinity.html

          Note that the idea of a trinity is not part of the bible.

          So we know that the your professor is coming at this argument from a different view than some others do. The bible is said to be written so even the average person can understand it. The part I supplied you with clearly was talking about a woman is pregnant and her husband thinks it is not his. If she is faithful the child will not be harmed and her womb is safe. If she has been unfaithful she miscarries and her womb is damaged. That is the idea expressed. It is not about miscarriage it self because of the addition of the fact the husband suspects she is unfaithful and takes her to the priest to implement the test and potentially cause the miscarriage.

          The bible contradicts itself often as we know. In some spots it talks of the breath of life. Even in Genesis it talks of man not being alive until god breathed the breath of life in him. So life here doesn’t start until the being breaths. https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Breath-Of-Life In other parts of the bible as you mention the lord is aware of what is in the womb and protecting it.

          Michelle the idea of killing children being forbiden in the bible is simply not true. The killing of children is often allowed in the bible.

          In the Genesis flood narrative (Genesis 6-9), God sees that “wickedness of man was great” and decides to exterminate mankind and all animals, saving only Noah and those he brought with him on the Ark. After the Flood, God promises to never again destroy all life by a flood.[16]:34–41[17][18]

          Pieter Schoubroeck – The Destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, c.1600
          In Genesis 18-19 God resolves to destroy the cities Sodom and Gomorrah, “because their sin is very grievous”. God promises Abraham that he will spare Sodom if as few as 10 righteous people can be found there. The cities are destroyed, but angels save Abraham’s nephew Lot and most of his family from the destruction.[19] God tests Abraham by demanding that he sacrifice Isaac, his son (Genesis 22). As Abraham is about to lay the knife upon his son, God restrains him, promising him numberless descendants.[16]:42,46

          In Egypt during the story of the plagues god killed all the first born except for the israelites. Now do you think all of those were adult first born?

          Michelle this last one is the most clear for me that god has no problem with killing kids and babies.

          When they return to Moses, he is angered, and commands “Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves” (Numbers 31).[41]

          Hugs

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          Comment by Scottie — March 4, 2019 @ 10:35

        • I believe that abortion is up to the woman … not the bible.

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          Comment by Nan — March 4, 2019 @ 11:32

          • Hello Nan. As a male I agree it is not my place to tell a female what to do with her body nor what her position in life should be. Hugs

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            Comment by Scottie — March 4, 2019 @ 11:48

            • However, many males DO think they have that right. But my comment was directed to the numerous scriptures that were offered to condemn abortion. So I say again … it’s up to the woman. Period.

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              Comment by Nan — March 4, 2019 @ 12:30

              • Being a woman I know how to seperate what is being discussed.

                We are not discussing the merits of, choices of nor who has say in an abortion. We aren’t discussing men telling a woman what she can and can’t do. We are merely discussion abortion as it is in the biblical texts of Christianity. Big difference in the discussion and your point.

                Thanks but let’s stay ion topic and not begin hysterics about who’s choice, who forces who and what a woman can and can’t do with her body legally of morally. Again that is NOT what is being discussed here.

                Thanks and hugs
                ‘Michelle

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                Comment by Michelle Styles — March 4, 2019 @ 15:35

                • You were pointing out the various bible scriptures related to abortion. I just commented that I don’t think the bible should be the deciding factor. No hysteria.

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                  Comment by Nan — March 4, 2019 @ 15:43

                  • Being that I am not Christian nor is Scottie (though I think Scottie is a recovering Christian? lol) I also would not let anyone dictate from some book what I can and can not do on any subject. I pointed out the verses because we are discussing what the bible says not weather it’s right or wrong or should be anyones guide in the matter. Only what does it say or not say. So again you’re way way off topic and into waters no one here is disputing or discussing. 🙂

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                    Comment by Michelle Styles — March 4, 2019 @ 15:46

                    • You know what? If this were your blog, I would offer an apology. But it isn’t. It’s Scottie’s. And if he doesn’t like the way the conversation is going, it’s up to him to put it to a stop or direct it elsewhere.

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                      Comment by Nan — March 4, 2019 @ 15:50

                    • You’re free to speak on my blog as well. I approve all comments even the disrespectful ones because they are discussion. I wasn’t looking for appology. Just looking to stay on topic nothing more.

                      hugs

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                      Comment by Michelle Styles — March 4, 2019 @ 15:53

                    • @ Nan, @ Michelle. I am not upset by the conversation nor the difference in opinion. I encourage discussion because I often find I learn by listening to what others are saying. The only time I tend to step in is if people get abusing each other personally. I am lucky in I have not had to do that often, the people who come here tend to be really decent sorts. Best wishes to both of you. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — March 4, 2019 @ 15:53

                    • And you know I adore you as well.

                      Nan and I have no disagreement on what was stated about who chooses what. You just know I am a stickler to try and stay on topic without multiple sidebars that aren’t part of what’s being discussed. Call it my OCD or CDO if you want to spell it in the correct order.

                      You already know my views on abortion., I’ve written about it. I do believe it is up to each woman to decide for herself. You also know for me it is not an option at all. Personally I couldn’t do it. But again that is my personal choice and I choose life for my son even under the worst of trials. Because for me that is my choice. I’m not anyone elses judge or jury and I don’t have to live with the choices they make. So it isn’t my concern unless asked my opinion on my personal choice.

                      We (nan and I) both agree that no book nor any other human being can make that choice for you. Hence no value is added to sidebar into a topic not being discussed or to morph the subject into something there is no discourse or disagreement about.

                      hugs both of you

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                      Comment by Michelle Styles — March 4, 2019 @ 16:10

          • Hi Nan,

            Not what we were discussing at all. This is not a discussion as to how we feel. It was only a discussion about what the bible says or doesn’t say about the subject. 🙂

            hugs

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            Comment by Michelle Styles — March 4, 2019 @ 13:59


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