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December 5, 2019

Conservative Christian leaders are poison

Filed under: Bigotry, Cartoons, Criminal, Gender, Hate, Homosexual, LGBTQ, Memes, News, Political, Questions, Religion — Scottie @ 05:23

Remember it appears that tRump’s former lawyer went to help Franklin with possible nude pictures another person had of his wife.  In other words tRump ahs blackmail on him.   Hugs

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Conservative Christian leaders are poison.

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  1. Oh but … tRumpsky has repented, doncha’ know? That’s why the evangelicals are able to justify their worship support of him!

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    Comment by Nan — December 5, 2019 @ 12:25

    • The word “worship” was supposed to show as a lined-out word …

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      Comment by Nan — December 5, 2019 @ 12:26

      • Hello Nan. I think I fixed it, take a look and let me know. Until now I did not realize I could use the comment editor that way. You just taught me something. Hugs

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        Comment by Scottie — December 5, 2019 @ 14:01

        • Yes! That’s what I wanted! Thank you.

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          Comment by Nan — December 5, 2019 @ 14:09

          • Hello Nan. I learned something. I have always tried to answer comments from the little bell box thing. When you mentioned what you wanted I googled it. I like that comment editor mode and think I will answer comments from that in the future. A lot more choices.

            How are you doing? I hope all is well and you are not stressed from the holidays. Hugs

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            Comment by Scottie — December 5, 2019 @ 14:13

            • Doing fine, Scottie! Thanks for asking. Holiday wasn’t stressful at all … the only actual “stress” in my life is the INSANITY demonstrated by the current POTUS.

              Hope YOU are doing better. Those “episodes” you have are awful!

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              Comment by Nan — December 5, 2019 @ 14:18

              • Hello Nan. Glad to hear things are good for you. Is all your shopping done and your home decorated? We do all our shopping on line and our most important decoration is Ron’s tree. While I like out side lights and stuff, his tree is something personal and he gets new special ornaments each year. He has an emotional attachment to the tree symbolizing what family means to him. Ron is the youngest child out of 8. They had a really tight knit happy family, totally foreign to me. So I endorse him spending time with those of them still alive and going to visit them up in New Hampshire. You can understand why I find that concept difficult. Nan I do not want you or others to worry too much. I have not self harmed since 2015. I have to except my memories and what they do to me, what can trigger them, and to try to avoid situations where they run away with me. The vortex is really a part of my life that never goes away. It is always there near by that I must deal with in order to keep going into the future. I am not trying to minimize what happened or what can happen, nor deny it can go very bad and tragic, I am just trying to reassure you I do understand it and know what it means and can turn into. In a bit of a panic after a bad episode I turned to our friend Professor Taboo for advice. After a grand talk on the phone I got news I did not want to hear. Their opinion is I need to go back into therapy for PTSD. Our grand friend with profession credentials is concerned that it is not something I can deal with on my own right now. I am just in denial about that part right now. With the exceptions of a few bad times I have been able to handle it, I manage. Yet I admit it is hard for me and I need to understand what my emotional state may do to Ron. The last two years it has gotten worse , with the news setting me off and more nightmares of the past. Plus as your comment shows I am having a negative effect on my online friends. I do not want to do that. I should try to moderate what I put online during these times in my life.

                But all is not lost. The old myth is that this too shall pass, unless Gandalf stands in the way. Nan I am aware that I put a lot on each of you that care for me with my post. I am sorry. I needed to describe what was happening to me to be able to try to combat it. I never meant to cause anyone fear of anxiety. I apologize for any stress I caused you.

                Have a wonderful holiday season, let me know how it is all going for you. Do you plan to have company for the holiday?

                Nan you are / have been a grand online friend. You have taught me a lot, your book was an eye opener on the Christian religion and how some believe and are mistaken, you also have shone great patience with my mistakes and attempts to engage with others on your blog and on mine. Thanks again. Be well. Hugs

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                Comment by Scottie — December 5, 2019 @ 15:28

    • Hello Nan. Weird. I am sorry but after years of those people attacking me, kids that are LGBTQ and simply trying hard to change our laws and governments I cannot give them the benefit of the doubt that they were ever sincere or trying to do the right thing. To me the last two decades have shown they are the evil they preach against and they are projecting the worst things they are / feel on to all those they hate, just like tRump does. If we have learned anything from tRump’s actions it is he is all about projection. I now think these Christian groups are also. Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — December 5, 2019 @ 14:00

      • Oh believe me … I agree there is NO justification for their actions! And I must add that I don’t think all Christians are bigots, but the ones that scream the loudest certainly are!

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        Comment by Nan — December 5, 2019 @ 14:13

        • Hello Nan. I was reading either yesterday or this morning something interesting about that. Sorry I only got about an hour or two of interrupted sleep last night so I am not sure what time frame. But it was about a church that is trying to be totally inclusive. I will take a second to see if I can find it.

          Yes here it is. https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2019/12/04/church-of-sweden-unveils-controversial-artists-lgbtq-altarpiece/

          The church leaders unveiled a brand-new altarpiece (the artwork on display behind the altar in a church) depicting same-sex couples of varying races in the Garden of Eden, dressed in clothes made of fig leaves. The piece is entitled “Paradise,” and a statement from the church explains that it “places gays in God’s creation from the beginning.”

          Nan not all Christians are bad I agree. Also not all other religious people are bad either. There are good Muslims, Hindus, Wiccains, and so forth. However I have been kicked by enough people claiming their god wanted them to kick me that I now view almost all religions as hateful and really harmful. Hard to be nonjudgmental when someone is attacking you.

          However there are religions trying to fit in, be socially progressive and inclusive, yet I do not see how they can stick to the message in their holy book while promoting that world view.

          I guess I see staying stuck in the moral, social, legal, view of people 2000 -2500 in the past denying all we have learned and achieved in the present while disregarding what we may learn in the future as harmful, hateful, dangerous, and disastrous for human existence.

          Thanks hugs

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          Comment by Scottie — December 5, 2019 @ 14:29

          • For many, many people, it’s easier — and more comfortable — to live in the past than it is to face the changes that come with the future.

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            Comment by Nan — December 5, 2019 @ 14:33

            • Hello Nan. Yes I guess I can understand that. I just wish they did not insist on dragging the rest of us back there with them. Hugs

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              Comment by Scottie — December 5, 2019 @ 15:37

  2. I think the best line I’ve heard all day is “I’ve been kicked by enough people claiming their god wanted them to kick me…”.

    Hi Scottie and Nan;

    I so love reading your comments back and forth. Nan, I loved the comment string on the Walmart post you did recently. I couldn’t help but to think about how wonderful this world would be if people actually did a fair portion of the things the Bible calls us to do. Not all…. because damn!…. but there are some. For instance: Can you imagine a world where we were called to make sure our neighbor had enough to eat? Was warm and dry? Was well educated and could prosper? Was healthy? Was helped when s/he did wrong? Was protected from very real physical threats? I mean, if we loved our neighbor enough to make sure s/he was well and happy, just imagine the paradise we would share.

    But, that is absolutely no fun. Thankfully, no christian ever was called to do any of that.

    Snarky comments given freely;
    Hugs!

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    Comment by randy — December 5, 2019 @ 15:32

    • Hello Randy my grand brother. The problem is their holy book simply doesn’t include or advocate the things you suggest. It doesn’t say feed everyone and protect everyone and so on, and there are mega churches / preacher / pastors making millions off of their flock because of this. I love the idea of faith, but I really hate religion. Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — December 5, 2019 @ 15:57

      • Good for PT!!! 👍

        I’m going to respond to the rest of your comment in an email.

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        Comment by Nan — December 5, 2019 @ 16:53

      • Yes it does, Scottie! Jesus plainly said to LOVE one another as yourself. And part of loving is to CARE for others, which includes helping them, protecting them, feeding them, watching over them, and so much more. But for many believers, this particular scripture has been shuffled to the bottom of the pile. It has become much more important to “convert the lost” by encouraging believers to “give” so their reward in “heaven” will be great (and the pastor can live in a mansion and buy jet planes and wear expensive suits and …).

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        Comment by Nan — December 5, 2019 @ 17:06

        • Hello Nan. Yes that is true. I guess I was referring to that most Christians disregard what Jesus is claimed to have said and done in favor of the written do’s and don’t. Mega church prosperity preachers show the worst of the charlatans and how easily some people can be talked into giving up their money. Hugs

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          Comment by Scottie — December 6, 2019 @ 04:12

      • Hi Scottie, Hi Nan;
        The Biblical Jesus, ironically, would agree with you. Quite frankly, according to the Gospels, He had little appreciation for religion as well. There is a historical concept, question, not sure the right word, that the power of the church resulted from the feudal system where the younger sons went into the church where they flexed their wealth, power and education in creating a inner kingdom not beholden to borders and kings. This created a “power behind the throne” issue, and was also the eventual odd rise from the fall of the Roman Empire. The very human foible of wanting to be in charge blended with the inability to question those dictating the rules and soon you get the Inquisition and Salem and Westboro, and the very things that were supposed to be done as written in the Sermon on the Mount and similar writings – the very things that most Humanists advocate – that were supposed to be done because Jesus, God, said so, are thrown out by so called christians who are more impressed with being right and in power.
        Too many so called christians live in Pascal’s Wager and subvert the noble and giving aspects of what Jesus in the Gospels taught with – as Nan said – this idea of getting their reward in heaven. The irony, of course, is that the phrase is used very clearly in Matthew 6.1-34 and completely indicts those who do those things like Westboro is famous for doing. Further, when Jesus talked about ‘loving one’s neighbor’, he was challenged by someone to define “neighbor”. This was “The Good Samaritan” parable. So, in Jesus’ words there, neighbor is anyone and everyone with whom you come into contact.

        Scottie; I am about to really offend you. Ready: You are a much better “Christian” by every measure of the word – except one – than 95% of the people I know. You are caring to your own detriment, you are kind, you are giving, you aren’t absorbed in the chase for wealth or power or prestige but only in helping and promoting what is moral and good. You are angry at injustice, enjoy what is beautiful and loving.

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        Comment by randy — December 6, 2019 @ 07:41

        • Hello Randy. Thank you, very kind. I wonder if many believers of the bible know of its history and the history of the time period it covers? Would they admit the errors and changes? How can anyone think Jesus would have wanted families and children kept in cages, kept in detentions, dying alone ill in a cell on a concrete floor? That they have no issue with all the things this administration does that violate the claims made by Jesus in their holy book tells me they really do not believe but use the membership in the religion for their own needs. Hugs

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          Comment by Scottie — December 6, 2019 @ 10:57


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