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The Many Things In My Toy Box ….my view may change due to verifiable evidence

Again another Christian attempt to force everyone to live by the doctrines of their religion.  They do not care about other parents wishes, LGBTQ+ kids who need to information or see someone like themselves in stories.   They do not care about religious people who have different views from them.  They only crave the power to oppress those you do not like.   Hugs

How would that even work? Baker lays it all out in the bill: Public libraries would have to create a five-member “parental library review board,” via an election, for a two-year term. Those parents would get to decide what’s “age-inappropriate sexual material.” Kids would then be blocked from checking out whatever books are on their list.

If librarians violate any of these rules, they would be subject to a fine of up to $500 or a year in jail.

In theory, then, a heavily Christian community could elect a board that says books featuring LGBTQ characters are “inappropriate.” And then if librarians allow kids to check out Heather Has Two Mommies or I Am Jazz — books meant to help kids understand LGBTQ identities — they would be severely punished for it.

All because a group of conservative parents with sticks up their asses decide to play censor instead of letting kids follow their own curiosity or deferring to the wisdom and expertise of professional librarians.

This isn’t the first time Baker’s had a dumb idea. Years ago, he tried defending a giant Christian cross on public property. Last year, he pushed for Bible classes in school. That bill passed the State House but not the State Senate.

Now, rather than calling for book-burning, he’s just trying to find a loophole that allows Christian bigots to block kids from learning more about topics he doesn’t like.

Knowledge is power. Unless you’re a Christian like him, in which case, it’s the enemy.

15 thoughts on “Missouri Bill Would Jail Librarians Who Let Kids Check Out “Inappropriate” Books

  1. Nan says:

    This sums it up quite well — All because a group of conservative parents with sticks up their asses decide to play censor instead of letting kids follow their own curiosity or deferring to the wisdom and expertise of professional librarians.

    I know this issue is extremely close to you, Scottie, but it’s the big picture that is so disturbing. These type of things simply should NOT be under the control of anyone but the librarians who are PAID to determine appropriate — and diversified — reading material.

    These people are not going to let up … ever. It’s worse under tRumpsky, but their goals have long been in place.

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    1. Scottie says:

      Hello Nan. I agree. These people are not going to let up, ever. They have been doing this same hate tactic for ever, shaming others and trying to force their idea of morality which is based on a book of genocide, incest, and pedophilia. But now for generations the courts are filled with these people. They have been placed there because they are willing to decide legal questions not on secular laws, but on their far right ideology and their Christian only religious beliefs. Several have already shown they are willing to carry water for tRump, voting for him in several cases where either other judges have voted against him, or in some cases being willing to simply break the law to support him. This a problem for any progressive programs in the future. The Republicans will use these judges to stop any things they don’t like. In fact that was the plan enacted because Republicans realized they were losing the war of demographics, and that the legislative and executive branches of government changed and could go against them. But these judges are lifetime appointments and they have been pushing through younger judges. Hugs

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  2. Hi Scottie, haven’t been online in a while! How are you?

    I can see something like this occurring in places like California (my state), or New York (an extraordinarily blue state), but it should be obvious to you that Missouri is not a very left learning state, and these are the kind of bills that the republican legislature finds necessary to pass for it’s public libraries. Honestly, as you know, I am a Christian, and these particular bills do not bother me. Yes, they are bills that support Judeo-Christian morality, and that’s pretty evident upon reading them, but that doesn’t make them unnecessary. A lot of the laws we have in place today stem from Judeo-Christian moral code, such as the notion that it is wrong to steal from people (Exodus 20:15), and that it is malevolent to kill someone (Exodus 20:13), etc… Should we just rid America of all the laws that do not conflate pleasantly with scientific materialism and post modernism, or have some reference to biblical context? I certainly don’t think so.

    But I will discuss it in further detail, without such biblical emphasis. Is it healthy or rather beneficial for adolescents and minors to read obscene material? In my personal view, no, but that’s because I am a non-secular Christian apologist. In reality, parents get to decide everything for their children until they become an adult (so long as they do not abuse them). This means that if you do not want your child to access obscene, immoral, pornographic material, or anything similar to the things I previously listed, you have the right to do so as a parent. My parents do not allow video games or social media in our household, this isn’t because they are trying to dictate my sexuality my disallowing me access to sexual material that may or not affect me emotionally, this is because they think what they are doing is the best for my development.

    I don’t know about you, but If a poll was conducted in Missouri that directly asks the objective question : “should adolescents and minors be able to access sexual material at public libraries?” What do you think the results would be? In a highly red state, what do you think the majority of voters would conclude?

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    1. ali redford says:

      Dylan, I was born in far Northern IL, but was moved to Springfield, MO when I was 3. I lived there until I was 16, then was moved to Forsyth, Mo. A year and a half later, we moved back a little ways North, but West into Kansas. When I was in elementary, jr. high, and high school, in MO, things like these policies were not happening, and I was aware of this because civics education was both required and rigorous. I had access to the public libraries, thanks to my grandparents who took us weekly. My parents were always aware of what I was reading. Even when I was studying witchcraft, in an attempt to understand the witch hunts of yore, my parents did not approve, but did not forbid; they knew my upbringing and faith would protect me from whatever danger they perceived may be in the information I was reading. I went to the second-wealthiest high school (at the time) in Springfield, and the student body was both diverse and talented. We kids thought, there in the late 70s, that we were seeing the death throes of bigotry of all sorts. (Boy, were we wrong, but it was good for a while.) I guess why I’m giving this background is that I, as a Jesus follower, do not agree with oppressive laws such as the subject of this post, and primarily I disagree with it because it offends my Christian sensibilities. This law, and other views and actions along these lines, are not what Jesus would do, and I challenge you to find anything in the New Covenant and in the Greatest Commandments that disproves that. I’ve thought for many years now that if people would read their Bibles instead of worshipping them, they’d be surprised. And, likely, they would have a far easier time loving their neighbors as themselves, which would make loving God with all our hearts, minds, and souls easier and far more complete. Thanks for reading. And, Scottie, I hope I haven’t overstepped here. If so, just let me know. I love this blog, and you.

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      1. Scottie says:

        Hello Ali. Well said. I encourage and love conversation and discussion here. I love the different points of view life added by different people. Feel free to jump in any time. Thanks. Hugs

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    2. Scottie says:

      Hello Dylan. I am doing was well as can be expected I guess. Over the last few days I have gotten very little sleep, but let’s see if I can string some coherent thoughts together. 😀 Dylan your understanding of history is flawed. The bible was not the first place laws were set out about how people should act. The bible borrowed those laws. The world’s first known laws were:

      The Ur-Nammu law code. The Ur-Nammu law code is the oldest known, written about 300 years before Hammurabi’s law code. When first found in 1901, the laws of Hammurabi (1792-1750 BC) were heralded as the earliest known laws.

      and

      The Code of Hammurabi is a well-preserved Babylonian code of law of ancient Mesopotamia, dated to about 1754 BC. It is one of the oldest deciphered writings of significant length in the world. The sixth Babylonian king, Hammurabi, enacted the code. A partial copy exists on a 2.25-metre-tall stone stele. The Hammurabi code of laws, a collection of 282 rules, established standards for commercial interactions and set fines and punishments to meet the requirements of justice.

      Both of these codes prohibited stealing and murder long before the times mentioned in the bible. I know religious schools ( I went to one so I have first hand knowledge ) and homeschool materials like to teach young people the country was founded on Judeo-Christian morality / principles, but that is not historically true. It is wrong. It is rewriting history to make it fit the narrative that is desired, rather than the true history that happened. We have talked about the religious and anti-religious backgrounds and beliefs of the founding fathers, it appears you simply disregarded the sources and did not pursue the ideas by looking it up yourself. So let me try a bit of logic here. The governing system of the bible is totally against the governing system of the US. The US is a representative democracy, well it is supposed to be one. More of a plutocracy or oligarchy right now. The governing system of the bible is an authoritarian dictatorship. God at the top makes unchanging rules everyone must follow. The laws can not be changed or wavered because they come from god. In the system the founding fathers setup the laws can be changed, the people are supposed to have a large say in their formation, and no one is supreme above the law. Plus the ten commandments themselves disprove the Idea this is a nation founded on Judeo-Christian principles /morality /christianity / or as religious nation. In looking these up I tried to take the most simple list without the different variations of bibles and sects.

      Ten Commandments list
      You shall have no other gods before Me.
      You shall make no idols.
      You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.
      Keep the Sabbath day holy.
      Honor your father and your mother.
      You shall not murder.
      You shall not commit adultery.
      You shall not steal.
      You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
      You shall not covet.

      The first four of these are not only not in our laws but they go against everything our laws stand for. If the founding fathers had wanted this to be a nation founded on the bible they wouldn’t have added this to the constitution: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof …, and they would have added articles to enforce the first four commandments.

      You are proving the point of why these laws are wrong and clearly show bigotry. These books are not obscene, prongraphic, immoral, or shocking unless you have been taught that even the existence of LGBTQ+ people is not true and wrong. These are well recognized books written for young people that have LGBTQ+ characters or vaguely discuss these topics. These are not graphic magazines with lurid pictures. We are not talking steamy sex novels. You clearly haven’t read any of these but you have access to the internet so look up samples and read the contents. Some religions like to teach that LGBTQ+ is not real or it is something you can be taught. So they hate the idea of any mention of them be in youth books. It simply is a false reality, and not scientifically accurate at all. Reading about a gay character in a book is not going to turn anyone gay, it doesn’t work that way. Even reading that two gay characters kiss is not going to make all the straight hetero kids run out and kiss someone of their gender. Same with trans people in book, it won’t make you trans. What is does is two things, it shows the world as it really is so some young people can understand it. It also gives those young people who realize they are different representation and a way to understand their own feelings they may not have before. It did not make Tommy and Timmy gay, but they were gay and realized there were other gay people who felt like they did in the world. Studies have shown people seeing themselves in media helps improve self esteem and promotes self growth. Forbidding these books won’t stop any kids from being LGBTQ+. it just makes them feel they are not part of the world, not important , not worth anything, and reinforces negative stereotypes that have long been known to be not true.

      Which leads me to the most important part. The idea that a Christian church doctrine should be the measure everything is judged by. The kids likely to check out these books are most likely to be kids the parents don’t mind them reading them. The libraries most likely to have these books are in are public libraries, not church school ones. These communities have people of no faith, different religions, and different views in the same religious faiths. These evangelical christian groups are trying to make laws like these that take the rights away from those parents and substitutes the authority of their evangelical doctrine instead. You claim parent’s right need to be respected, but the rights of the parents who approve of these informative books is being denied due to the prejudice of one group. These laws are an attempt to push one religious doctrine on everyone else and to create a theocracy. What will be next? Instead of “Heather has two mommies” the ban will be “Heather has Muslim parents”? No one is forcing any of these Christian parents or kids to read the books, they are free not to. But instead of simply not reading them because of their belief, they want to take the books away from everyone. I bet there are parents in these very churches that approve of the books or the subject matter. Think about it this way. Your folks or you do not want to read these books, but your friends parents are OK with it and they want to read them. Shouldn’t they have that right? Please reply to this, it is important. Shouldn’t they have the right to read these books? It harms you in no way, it cause no harm to them. See these laws violate the idea of religious freedom. Religious freedom is the right to believe as your wish, and to practice your religion such as the rituals involved, with in some limits as violate public good laws. Religious freedom is not the right to impose your religions doctrines and practices on others. That violates their religious freedom. Hugs

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      1. Hi Scottie, thanks for the response.

        Again Scottie, this all boils down to the notion that “parents know best”, and that without parents in this world to properly rear children, every society would be screwed. Scottie, I will be frank with you, I don’t know of many parents that desire for their children to read novels and books that have LGBTQ+ characters or exclusive themes supporting the group. Is this a violation of religious freedom? No. Because many faiths in America don’t support the LGBTQ+, and I’m definitely sure if a consensus was taken in Missouri everyone would agree children and adolescents shouldn’t be allowed to read books that support immoral activity.

        Sorry my response is short, but I have a busy day. Will get back in more depth at a later time.

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        1. Scottie says:

          Hello Dylan. You seem to think these are small self pressed books or the like. These books are all over the country critically acclaimed books that have won major awards. These books are all over the world in different languages. Every public libraries stock these. If it was just a few thousand books none of these groups would care. The fact that these books are popular is why they are being targeted.

          Dylan there are 336 million people in the US, say a third to half are parents, do you know all of them? Do your parents represent a good portion of them? The answer to both is no. You say you are homeschooled, and your replies take a fundamentalist evangelical attitude. I would say you are in a bubble of people your age who are from families like yours. Your parents social circle is like them, and so is again in a bubble. That is a very small bubble here in the US. Not being insulting, it is a fact that even among christian groups evangelical / fundamentalist are a minority. You would be shocked at the many Christian denominations that are LGBTQ+ affirming. The United Methodist Church is even now splitting because 50% of the churches in the group support LGBTQ+ rights. The ones mainly in African countries were the ones not accepting. The views have changed and shifted and the anti-LGBTQ+ are in a minority. You should notice on these anti-LGBTQ+ laws it is always the same groups pushing them. They are losing members, not gaining them. There is a reason the fastest growing religious affiliation is “nones”. The majority of the population supports these books or again they wouldn’t be in libraries and public schools. Think about it Dylan, libraries are not going to waste money on books no one wants to read, they buy the top books and these are on the top books lists. These authors make huge sales in a competitive market. Getting a book published is not easy and the publishing companies wouldn’t take the risk if it was not worth it.

          Please read this again part of what I wrote. We addressed your not knowing many parents who want their kids reading these books, but do you know a lot of parents not in your same religious circles? But please address the other very major points here I raised as this gets to the heart of these laws. The demand everyone live by evangelical Christian doctrine and give Christianity special rights. These laws are an attempt to push one religious doctrine on everyone else and to create a theocracy of a specific sect of Christianity. Note the part about religious freedom and how these laws actually violate it. Plus it harms you in no way if those who do not share your religious attitudes read something you don’t wish to read your self.

          Which leads me to the most important part. The idea that a Christian church doctrine should be the measure everything is judged by. The kids likely to check out these books are most likely to be kids the parents don’t mind them reading them. The libraries most likely to have these books are in are public libraries, not church school ones. These communities have people of no faith, different religions, and different views in the same religious faiths. These evangelical christian groups are trying to make laws like these that take the rights away from those parents and substitutes the authority of their evangelical doctrine instead. You claim parent’s right need to be respected, but the rights of the parents who approve of these informative books is being denied due to the prejudice of one group. These laws are an attempt to push one religious doctrine on everyone else and to create a theocracy. What will be next? Instead of “Heather has two mommies” the ban will be “Heather has Muslim parents”? No one is forcing any of these Christian parents or kids to read the books, they are free not to. But instead of simply not reading them because of their belief, they want to take the books away from everyone. I bet there are parents in these very churches that approve of the books or the subject matter. Think about it this way. Your folks or you do not want to read these books, but your friends parents are OK with it and they want to read them. Shouldn’t they have that right? Please reply to this, it is important. Shouldn’t they have the right to read these books? It harms you in no way, it cause no harm to them. See these laws violate the idea of religious freedom. Religious freedom is the right to believe as your wish, and to practice your religion such as the rituals involved, with in some limits as violate public good laws. Religious freedom is not the right to impose your religions doctrines and practices on others. That violates their religious freedom.

          Dylan, I don’t mind short, it is easier on both of us. But I do want us to address the issues raised, not just gloss over them. Otherwise we are wasting time. Hugs

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          1. Nan says:

            Scottie, this — but the rights of the parents who approve of these informative books is being denied due to the prejudice of one group sums up the entire situation. If believers would just stop sticking their nose into other peoples’ business, the world would be a much better and friendlier place. But nooooo! It’s got to be their way or no way.

            And what makes all this so really, really sad is they leave NO ROOM for diversity. It’s like we should all become religious robots. 🤖

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            1. randy says:

              I liked this, Nan, but since I don’t have a WordPress acct., I can’t just star it. I really liked this idea, that just because SOME don’t like a topic doesn’t make it obscene. What I thought is that maybe these parents, these ‘Holier-than-thou’ parents should pay attention to what their children are doing, what they are checking out of the library in this case, rather than criminalizing others for not doing the parent’s job for them.

              Oh….. and I guess these kids don’t have internet?

              hugs all!

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            2. Scottie says:

              Hello Nan. I agree. Like I said, no one is forcing them to read the books they do not want to but they would like to force others to only read what they like, and to force bible reading. I have posted how several states have tried to pass laws forcing Christian prayer and bible readings / study classes in public schools. Hugs

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    1. Scottie says:

      Thank you for the link back. Hugs

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  3. randy says:

    Hi Scottie;
    I hope you will forgive me for being a bit off color here, but I can’t help but to consider that in this age of having our president talk about “grabbing women by the pu**y”, having adulterous affairs with porn stars, etc., … and in fairness, Bill’s affair with Monica, and even let’s go back to Kennedy and Ms. Monroe, sex is national news. Let’s go further, talk about our first openly gay presidential candidate, national icons (?) H.Milk and Hefner, sex is a relevant and important topic of society. Let’s go even further and talk about the MeToo movement and LGBT rights, the abuse of someone – or treating them as lesser-than because of their gender or orientation, and we see sex as an important issues in social justice. We can talk about the abuses in the catholic church, the sex scandal of Bishop T.D. Jakes, Dennis Hastert, Jerry Sandusky, and how sex abuse can be found in all sorts of places and happen to all sorts of people where one may presume it wouldn’t. We can talk about the huge issues of teen pregnancy and kids killing themselves for fear of abuse for their orientation, etc., we can talk about the HIV rates and the other diseases like chlamydia, and understand that sex is a spiritual, mental and physical health issue that is hugely important.

    Or

    We can keep our kids ignorant.

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    1. Scottie says:

      Hello Randy. Yes very true. The problem these groups have with these youth books is they present these subjects in a positive non-hateful way. While the majority of the country is OK with these subjects and the positive way they are presented the groups protesting them do so because it doesn’t fit their narrative that this is an evil their god hates. That is the key part, their god hates. But the country and all the people in it are not ruled by their god and the dictates of their church. They want to force it to be, but they have not succeeded on that quite yet. And yes Randy keeping kids ignorant leads to ignorant adults. Those adults tend to stay in the church and keep paying tithes. People exposed to other ideas and ways tend to not do so, if they stay in a religion they chose a more inclusive one. Happy weekend. Hugs

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