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March 1, 2020

Health Care is a human right.

Filed under: Cartoons, Economics, Health, Memes, News, Political, Questions, Reason — Scottie @ 11:06

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  1. Scottie, this is what some people want us to believe. However, this is false.

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    Comment by ragnarsbhut — April 16, 2020 @ 23:27

    • Hello ragnarsbhut. Want to explain? Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — April 17, 2020 @ 06:32

      • Scottie, if there were no medical specialists, then this “right” would be unenforceable. A better argument for a “right” to health care is if someone argued that he or she should have the right to decide which medical specialists that person wants to see, as well as the method of payment.

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        Comment by ragnarsbhut — April 17, 2020 @ 09:28

        • If a person doesn’t have the money to pay for medical care, they sure in hell aren’t going to be picky about the “medical specialist” OR the “method of payment.” All they want is for someone to make them well. This is why Medicare for All (or something similar) is so needed.

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          Comment by Nan — April 17, 2020 @ 12:28

        • Hello ragnarsbhut. Still not understanding you but try this. Human rights are rights all humans should have regardless of country or government. However what rights humans have are granted by the government. The right to healthcare should be a human right regardless of ability to pay or social status. Hugs

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          Comment by Scottie — April 17, 2020 @ 14:01

          • Scottie, here is a video for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUXwDMqjC-A If someone elects to pay for the medical care/appointments of another person, that person is within that person’s right to. Having said that, what if I offer to pay for someone to have a kidney transplant and that person uses that money to pay for something else? I would feel like I was being screwed over. Just my thoughts.

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            Comment by ragnarsbhut — April 17, 2020 @ 14:11

            • Hello ragnarsbhut. Thankfully that is not what we are talking about. What we are talking about is taxpayer dollars going to a program that helps everyone. Not just the poor, not just the middle income ( what is left of it ) , not just the wealthy but everyone. It is the people getting something of value to them for the taxes they pay. Thanks for the video like, I will watch it later. Hugs

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              Comment by Scottie — April 18, 2020 @ 07:25

  2. Scottie, most of the people who argue for a right to health care disregard the fact that people have to get medical degrees before they can claim the title of an MD. If we have no doctors, than a right to health care would be nonexistent.

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    Comment by ragnarsbhut — May 13, 2020 @ 23:45

    • Hello ragnarsbhut. That is a non sequitur. You are trying to shoe horn apples and onions together and claim they are the same.

      So what you are saying is the 33 other countries that have universal healthcare and classify healthcare as a human right some how don’t have doctors?

      There is an issue with how much higher education cost across the board, not just healthcare workers. Heck some CNA 6 week classes cost $3000. Yes three grand for 6 weeks. Air conditioner repair is $15,000 for a 6 weeks course. It is a money tree for some companies, they rake in big bucks. But that is a different discussion than Medicare For All and healthcare as a human right.
      Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — May 15, 2020 @ 09:39

      • Scottie, that is not what I am saying at all. If one arbitrarily says that we should have a right to health care, what will happen if medical care providers are not paid for their services?

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        Comment by ragnarsbhut — May 15, 2020 @ 09:59

        • Hello ragnarsbhut. Oh sorry, my apology for misunderstanding your point. Yes providers will still get paid, and in a more equatable way. The difference is who pays. In a universal healthcare system the government pays and so providers in poor areas get paid the same as providers in wealthy areas. Places not wealthy enough to carry their own clinic now will be able to have one under universal healthcare. So yes there is payment, just not at the point of use. It saves money because all the clinics, healthcare providers, workers will not have wade through all the different insurance companies rules and all the different costs for different payers. It saves about 25% of the administration costs of providing care. The truth is universal healthcare saves costs and lives. Hugs

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          Comment by Scottie — May 15, 2020 @ 14:36

          • Scottie, my apologies in advance if this is a repeat question, however, have you ever heard of a medical condition known as Epilepsy?

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            Comment by ragnarsbhut — May 15, 2020 @ 15:52

            • Hello ragnarsbhut. Yes I have know kids in school that had it. When I worked in the ICU we had patients with it. We referred to it as seizures as that was how it manifests.

              Seizure: Uncontrolled electrical activity in the brain, which may produce a physical convulsion, minor physical signs, thought disturbances, or a combination of symptoms.

              Is there something you want to talk about that condition? Hugs

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              Comment by Scottie — May 15, 2020 @ 18:22

              • Scottie, I have that condition myself. The ensuing migraine headaches are painful.

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                Comment by ragnarsbhut — May 15, 2020 @ 18:35

                • Hello ragnarsbhut. I am sorry to hear that. What do you do to help when that happens? Do you have anyone living with you that can help you afterwards? I wish you the best. Hugs

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                  Comment by Scottie — May 15, 2020 @ 19:07

                  • I take Epilepsy medication, however, one of the irritating side-effects is how my short-term memory is affected.

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                    Comment by ragnarsbhut — May 15, 2020 @ 19:20

                    • Hello ragnarsbhut. I am sorry to hear that. How do you deal with that? I have known people with memory problems and taken care of some who have had that problem. I do care. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — May 15, 2020 @ 19:30

                    • Scottie, I just elect to not let the frustration of that have any governance over my life.

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                      Comment by ragnarsbhut — May 15, 2020 @ 19:46

  3. Scottie, if we did not go with Medicare For All, I would be receptive to going with the model that Germany has.

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    Comment by ragnarsbhut — May 29, 2020 @ 21:49

    • Hello ragnarsbhut. There are many good models to check out and examine to see if they will work in our country. One problem is many people have been indoctrinated to believe that the US is #1 in everything. That the US does everything correctly and other nations really should do what we do. American Exceptionalism idea. To these people no other country has any program or idea that is better than we have. That is the stigma we are fighting just on the idea that healthcare is a human right, and that social safety nets work and are good for the economy. Think on this, Mark Zandi, of Moody’s Economy.com, confirmed the economic boost in an independent study that found that every SNAP dollar spent generates $1.73 in real GDP increase. “Expanding food stamps,” the study read, “is the most effective way to prime the economy’s pump.” But instead of using it properly Republicans want to cut all assistance and the refrain is you make people better by making them desperate. That is not something they say about giving taxpayer money to the wealthy BTW. Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — May 30, 2020 @ 06:52

      • Scottie, so there is no risk of misunderstanding, I do like Medicare For All conceptually speaking. The only problem is in some of the contradictory information I have heard and read.

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        Comment by ragnarsbhut — May 30, 2020 @ 10:06

        • Hello ragnarsbhut. It is OK to have questions. I do also. It is also great to look at what has worked or is working in other countries. I can not think of any program that did not have some needs for adjustment once it was started, because it is really hard to see all the issues that may come up. Be well. Hugs

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          Comment by Scottie — May 30, 2020 @ 10:08

          • Scottie, I will be sure to look into this in further detail. I am enjoying reading your blog.

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            Comment by ragnarsbhut — May 30, 2020 @ 10:14

            • Hello ragnarsbhut. Thank you. Remember it is always OK to have questions. I welcome them. But I may not always be correct. I do try to research things I am asked about, but I am human and may miss something. I really enjoy the conversation, and I welcome you to join in it, leave your thoughts, and join me on the adventurer that is life today. If you have questions or want to say something you prefer to be not so open, please email me at Scottiestoybox@gmail.com. If you do give me a heads up in the comments as I get hundreds of emails a day and miss a lot of them if I am not looking for them. Best wishes. Hugs

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              Comment by Scottie — May 30, 2020 @ 14:09

              • Scottie, have you ever heard of a Canadian Doctor named Danielle Martin?

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                Comment by ragnarsbhut — May 30, 2020 @ 14:12

                • Hello ragnarsbhut. I have not heard of them. Hugs

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                  Comment by Scottie — May 31, 2020 @ 07:31

                  • Scottie, on Youtube, if you look up her name in the search bar, you will find a few videos that she has been in.

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                    Comment by ragnarsbhut — May 31, 2020 @ 10:15

                    • Hello ragnarsbhut. What subjects does she discuss? I will be back this afternoon and if it is a topic I am interested in I will look her up. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — June 1, 2020 @ 08:18

                    • Scottie, Dr. Danielle Martin has discussed the Canadian health care system. Here are a few videos for you: 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wY6RuO8EUY, 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxtGepwXaes, 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEd75iVdTDY _ thought that these were interesting.

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                      Comment by ragnarsbhut — June 1, 2020 @ 09:36

                    • Hello ragnarsbhut. Sorry the links made your comment go into moderation. I will check them out in the morning. I am off to bed after a very long day. Be well. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — June 1, 2020 @ 20:49

                    • Scottie, I hope that you enjoy them.

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                      Comment by ragnarsbhut — June 1, 2020 @ 20:58

                    • Hello ragnarsbhut. I am listening to one of them right now, the other two are going to be played in sequence. So far the doctor makes a lot of sense and explains the situation well. I was reading the comments and found them interesting. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — June 3, 2020 @ 10:17

                    • I agree.

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                      Comment by ragnarsbhut — June 3, 2020 @ 10:39

                    • Hello ragnarsbhut. I noticed that two are from 2017 and one was older, yet the information is even better for Canada and worse for the US. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — June 3, 2020 @ 11:00

                    • Scottie, I recall viewing them at separate times. When you say better for Canada and worse for us, in what sense do you mean?

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                      Comment by ragnarsbhut — June 3, 2020 @ 11:33

                    • Hello ragnarsbhut. Over those years the standard of living, the disposable income went up for Canadians, and things got harder for most people in the US. While in the US the wealthy were taking even larger shares of the public treasury, in Canada the people were getting services and other benefits for their tax money.

                      See ragnarsbhut people don’t mind paying taxes and other fees if they get something for them, the way other countries do it. But in the US the lower incomes have to keep paying more and lose less benefits every year, but the largest recipients of the public treasury is wealthy people and wealthy corporations. Look at the stimulus bills in the US, the money all went to big corporation who did not need it to survive, to wealthy owners, yet only a one time $1200 to people to pay rent and buy food. How long was that $1200 to last, the administration said 10 weeks. Stupid. 41 million out of work, no income, unemployment hard to get, losing housing , can not feed their children, food hand out lines stretching for 5 miles in some cases. Yet Mitch McConnell says the Republican Senate wont bring up any more relief packages , but instead they are back to packing the courts with unqualified ideologue judges.

                      It is not happening this way in other countries. I posted videos of this. In other countries the government money went to pay peoples rents so not one person lost their home or apartment, it went to paying their wage so no one went with out food, it went to providing for the people. Their economies did not shut down like ours and did not tank as much as the US did.

                      Can you see the difference and how badly the US has fallen from the great economic boom it had to now being a two class country, the haves who own the government, and the rest of us the lower class who serve them while trying hard to live any way we can. It did not have to be this way, but the greed of the wealthy and the cowardliness of the Republicans made it so. Other countries showed how to do this with out such devastation on the people, yet most in the US never hear much about other countries as the lie is the US is #1 in everything. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — June 3, 2020 @ 15:35

                    • Scottie, I do not believe that people should be forced to go bankrupt because of medical bills. In one of the videos I linked, Dr. Danielle Martin had said that she believed access to health care is a human right. Now, if someone said health care is a right, however, that person believed that the medical care provider(s) should be compensated, do you personally believe that the 2 can overlap in some ways?

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                      Comment by ragnarsbhut — June 3, 2020 @ 16:09

                    • Hello ragnarsbhut. Yes of course, no one is expected to work with out compensation, that only happens in slavery and prisons. Again we are not inventing this form of healthcare, it is used successfully in different forms in at least 33 other advanced countries. That is why the ones claiming it doesn’t work or can’t work are wrong, because it is working, and working well. Every serious study shows it saves money for the nation, the medical providers, and the people needing care. The thing is it cuts in to the obscene profits of insurance companies and drug companies. That is who is pushing back hard on the idea. Greed over the needs of the people. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — June 4, 2020 @ 06:32

                    • Scottie, I do like the idea of Medicare For All. Having said that, the model that Germany has does have an appeal to me.

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                      Comment by ragnarsbhut — June 4, 2020 @ 09:23

                    • Hello ragnarsbhut. When I was in Germany back in the 1980’s I was impressed with the Germany healthcare system. However having been in the military and seen the way healthcare coverage can work with a single payer I prefer that. As a soldier if I had an issue or problem I could get an appointment and see someone with no worry about being able to pay for it. All ranks, the well paid and the poorly paid used the same doctors and facilities. I twice had to be hospitalized and never had to worry about if it would bankrupt me. That was a long time ago and I was in places where there were large bases with great medicare facilities. Not all places were the same of course. But the model of universal coverage with government single payer system is what I seen work so well. So since we are going to create a new system from scratch shouldn’t we go for the best one we can. Any system that has private insurance keeps a for profit model. The best way to give healthcare is to take the profit model out, because every time a profit has to be added on that increases the cost for the same care. Again that doesn’t mean people don’t get paid and make a lot of money, it says companies don’t get to rake in profit for stock holders / share holders. See the companies raking in obscene levels of profit and causing such huge jumps in cost of healthcare and medication is for profit companies with shareholders. Remove that middle man and you save money all over the system. Hugs

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                      Comment by Scottie — June 4, 2020 @ 10:43

                    • Scottie, you make excellent points.

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                      Comment by ragnarsbhut — June 4, 2020 @ 11:16

  4. Scottie, I like the idea of Medicare For All personally. The only issue of concern is with the contradictory reports that are out there. Many people like Medicare and many people say that it is terrible in their experience. Are the people with bad experiences that are on Medicare falsely attributing the problems they are having to Medicare?

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    Comment by ragnarsbhut — June 3, 2020 @ 10:35

    • Hello ragnarsbhut. There are some things we have to remember, one is check the source and the other is what do the people writing this have to gain from their point of view. For example the makers of Oxycontin kept telling doctors it was great for many different things and to prescribe more and more. A lot of it was lies and distortions done so the makers could reap more profits. The thing about sources is for example the many times religious groups try to tell people they know for a fact such bad thing about LBGTQ+ is true , when in truth it is not. They are saying it simply to prove their point even when it is not true and they hope or depend on no one fact checking them. That is what tRump does, he makes all these claims that are not true but he knows his followers wont check and if other people do correct him they wont believe it. You seen both of these things pulled by Republican Senator Burr on the Canadian doctor. She set him back on the truth quickly.

      The polls on Medicare prove that most people on it like it. It is the most liked personal medical insurance plan. Almost all doctors take it. I am on it and I can tell you I have never had to call anyone to argue for my treatment, as people on private insurance sometimes have to do. Also I do not need referrals, if I need to see a specialist I can just make the appointment and go to them. I never have to worry about being out of network. Lastly it saves a lot of money on overhead for medical providers and the government. For such a big program there is very little administrative costs, little fraud, and little waste.

      Now why would people not like it. The monthly premium is expensive for people on social security, and it goes up each year about the same amount congress raises the amount of SS. It has some, a few, co-pays that are some times a bit steep for people again on SS. But the most disliked thing about Medicare is it doesn’t cover dental or eye care. Seriously. It is a critical need that has been left out and needs to be fixed, and it is included in the new Medicare For All.

      Last thing my friend is to be careful that people are not confusing Medicare with Medicaid. Medicare is for people on Social Security and SSDI, Medicaid is for people under a set income level to get some medical care. The Republicans in government try to make Medicaid as hard as possible to get and to use. As a result it has lots of problems.

      ragnarsbhut do you like your medical insurance provider? Do you have any issues with them? if someone were to ask you a bunch of questions on them, would you give favorable answers or would they think you had issues with your medical insurance? Be well. Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — June 3, 2020 @ 14:30

      • Scottie if I had the option, if it was not so expensive, I would rather pay out of pocket for each appointment. However, since the fees are so high for an out-of-pocket appointment, insurance would be a good idea. However, I am admittedly inclined to gravitate toward Medicare For All.

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        Comment by ragnarsbhut — June 3, 2020 @ 14:52

        • Hello ragnarsbhut. I agree it is all too expensive, that is why we need MFA. But my question was if someone was to poll you on how you feel about your medical insurance and have you had issues with them? You don’t have to mention who it is, just how you feel about them. Thanks. Hugs

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          Comment by Scottie — June 4, 2020 @ 06:23

          • Scottie, I would like to ditch the insurance companies. However, if some people like their insurance coverage, they are entitled to their opinions. Just my thoughts.

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            Comment by ragnarsbhut — June 4, 2020 @ 09:21

            • Hello ragnarsbhut. That is a myth propagated by insurance companies. No one loves / likes their insurance company, especially if they have to argue or fight with them for coverage. What people like is the fact that due to their insurance they get healthcare. But people really do not have choice either. The get their health insurance through their employer or their union contract with the employer. If you are fired, laid off, then you lose your entire coverage. If your employer changes your insurance company or coverage items you just have to accept it. You have no choice. So choice is a myth, liking your insurance company is a myth. What people like is not being desperate for healthcare. Hugs

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              Comment by Scottie — June 4, 2020 @ 10:23

  5. Scottie, I was reviewing Medicare parts a, b, c and d. If we went with Medicare For All, would parts a, b, c and d still be separate or is it all wrapped into one? This is something I have studied, however, I do experience some confusion.

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    Comment by ragnarsbhut — June 24, 2020 @ 23:57

    • Hello ragnarsbhut. I hope you have been well. I also have been reviewing part D. Medicare for all would include part A, B, D, plus addition features. As there wouldn’t be a need for C it would disappear. No private company would give your main care. The Medicare For All mostly talked about is a single payer system with the government paying for all your healthcare through tax revenue. It would be expanded to include eye care and glasses, dental care, hearing aids. Some people want to keep an insurance option for other features but if you try to keep an insurance into the mix it reverts to the same issues we have today and you lose a lot of the savings in administrative costs. Be well. Hugs

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      Comment by Scottie — June 25, 2020 @ 04:20

      • Scottie, this makes sense.

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        Comment by ragnarsbhut — June 25, 2020 @ 09:50

        • Hello ragnarsbhut. Drug costs in the US are out of control and most people can not afford their medications. I am investigating part D for my self and my costs are in the hundreds of dollars a month with before adding the premiums plus deductibles, and doubles during the gap period. Also it is very confusing to figure out. 33 other countries do not make their people go through this. Hugs

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          Comment by Scottie — June 25, 2020 @ 11:06


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