I am starting an attempt to stop misinformation and misdirection. Things like the above is not helping, nor can I say the above meme is true. I am having a conversation with Dylan over economic systems dealing with governing a country, specifically socialism, communism, and unrestrained capitalism. I have been using the definitions from online dictionaries. But it seems that common usage is mingling the meaning of Democratic Socialism and Social Democrat. I wrote a whole reply to Dylan that was well searched and sourced that switched the two different terms and changed the entire meaning of my reply. I thought I had made the mistake of using the wrong terms. However I am seeing on line that there is no seeming set definitions as I thought, just general ideas. Thankfully Dylan caught it, pointed it out to me that my reply as written did not make sense unless the terms were reversed.
I have been using the idea that Democratic Socialism is the desire to create a system where production and distribution of goods is controlled by the workers and that all people have a voice in economic / governing matters at every level. I would say it is socialism under democracy, instead of socialism under a dictatorship.
I have been using Social Democracy as regulating and controlling capitalism by moderating its excesses to provide for the well being of the people in a democracy. While there is overlap clearly, the goal of the Social Democrat is not to destroy or replace capitalism, but to moderate and improve it to work for everyone not just a few.
When I read the above meme I decided to again look up the difference between the two ideas. I found as many different ideas and crossing of Social Democracy and Democratic Socialism as the pages I had open in different tabs. In an effort to get a common usage, I looked up the most famous Democratic Socialist in the US, Bernie Sanders. I will quote from this web site, https://qz.com/1805692/bernie-sanders-isnt-a-democratic-socialist-he-is-a-social-democrat/ . So again mixing and mismatching the terms.
While it might not sound as dramatic, what Sanders is isn’t a socialist—democratic or otherwise—it’s a social democrat. Social democracy is a reformist approach that doesn’t do away with capitalism in its entirety (as, instead, socialism eventually suggests) but instead regulates it, providing public services and substantial welfare within the frame of an essentially market-led economy. Other leftist politicians such as Elizabeth Warren and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez also fall into this camp.
Why Sanders brands himself a democratic socialist remains unclear. It might be, as some have noted, because of a desire to shock. Or it may be a practical choice: Knowing his American audience is likely to equate socialism with a Stalinist, authoritarian regime, he is highlighting the intrinsically democratic aspect of his positions.
The Democratic Socialists of America describe their proposals as social democratic, essentially using the two labels interchangeably, advocating that social democratic reform “must now happen at the international level” and using northern European countries as references for their vision. This seems inaccurate, however, and feeds the misunderstanding Trump is banking on.
Democratic socialism does not pursue a model like Finland, for instance, which has not done away with capitalist ways of production or a private market.
The key difference between democratic socialism and social democracy is precisely that the former advocates for social ownership of the means of production, and does not believe in reforms within capitalism (although it does support temporary social democratic actions), but in a revolution of the system.
The platform Sanders is running on is reformist, and what he is proposing is a US that looks much more like Canada, or Europe—which certainly are not socialist nations. Whether he believes that the end goal is beyond what Europe has achieved (and the history of his political beliefs suggests so), he still isn’t proposing an actual revolution (not within his lifetime, at least) and should just label himself accordingly.
So I think everyone can see the problem described above and that I am having. One of my goals when writing or talking to to be clear about what I am trying to convey. I can not do this on this subject if the definitions of the terms keep changing. I wonder if the confusion attempt is deliberate? So wonderful viewers / readers what do you think? What is the correct term for each idea? Hugs